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Hartland, Wisconsin
Imagine for a moment that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has overstepped their authority in “deeming” anything to do with e-cigarettes.
State Rep. Mary Jo Daley, (D-PA) is the recipient of this week’s “Please Keep Smoking” award. Seems the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network likes to give out “awards” to keep people smoking.
The FDA likes smoking so much, they have an initiative to figure out how to keep people smoking under an “initiative” to pretend to get them to smoke “less”.
I thought the FDA’s purpose was to regulate, not initiate.
We regulate #tobacco products based on a public health standard intended to reduce the toll of tobacco use http://t.co/3WWaRmzmea
The FDA is batting 1,000 with non-answers – as if they were above the law.
With Former FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg under R.I.C.O. charges, Senator Ron Johnson being ignored last year asking the FDA repeatedly to produce documentation, and Hartland asking questions above, Judicial Watch has asked, through the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) for – well – information.
People are usually interested in how long nicotine remains in the system because their employer wants to test for nicotine, either as a condition of employment, or more commonly to determine the cost of health insurance.
Nicotine Addiction ~ Canada ~ Austrailia ~ Professor Glantz ~ E-cigarette myths should go up in smoke ~ Dr. Farsalinos ~ Common Sense ~ Conspiracy ~ Battery Safety ~ A New Leaf: Vaping, E-Cigs & The Future of Tobacco at SXSW 2017
This is a fundraiser for ecigarette-research.org for further research by Dr. Farsalinos and his colleagues and a challenge for public health to prove nicotine addiction without tobacco or MAOI’s.
So far the challenge has raised $215.00, and one challenge has been submitted.
While many have been shown the challenge, there have been no submissions from “public health experts“:
David Sweanor…has been refused the opportunity to testify on Bill S-5 before the Senate Standing Committee of Social Affairs, Science and Technology (SOCI).
You can show your support here with this ThunderClap:
Glantz, who isn’t one of the elite royalty mentioned in this report, decided “As one of the 120 “leaders” who responded to the poll used to construct this document”, he strongly objects to the use of the subtitle, and spelled “necessarily” incorrectly as “necessarity” wrong – which leads one to believe he may, might, could – or it is possible, he’s an idiot.
If you’re unfamiliar with Professor Glantz, he’s covered here from Paul: Rotund Reaver.
I’ve blogged about the mechanical genius here and here.
Control has wasted over 50 years sitting on the floor with crayons – pretending to “fight”.
More of this, please
In their zeal to punish the evil tobacco industry, many have thrown the baby out with the bathwater by ignoring scientific evidence, mislabeling e-cigarettes as dangerous tobacco products and stifling, and restricting access to, a technology that helps tens of thousands of people — perhaps more — safely and effectively quit smoking every year.
“He pointed to the example of a conference organised by the tobacco industry in Brussels last year, where scientists were sent letters criticising their participation by a US anti-smoking group – even though they had no links to the tobacco industry.”
My job is to defend science and evidence, not any industries. In that respect, and after waiting for 24h for the journalist to revise, I am obliged to denounce an article published in the Sunday Herald Scotland in which I am MISINTERPRETED as defending links between the tobacco and vaping industries and characterizing attacks on research into vaping funded by Big Tobacco were a form of “academic McCarthyism”.
UL, a leading global safety science organization, is announcing acceptance of product submittals of electronic cigarettes, also known as e-cigarettes, for construction evaluation, testing and North American certification.
They still insist nicotine is addictive. Dangerous, even. “They” claim more dangerous than heroin. That’s pretty drastic. Kind of scares me. Fine, dear reader, it doesn’t scare me. It scares the government enough, though, eh? I’d like to sit down with “they” for a few hours, have some coffee. Discuss a few finer points of life in general, chat a bit, and tell them now they’re trying to convince everyone it’s the nicotine.
I say it’s NOT the nicotine. Stimulant, like coffee I’ll agree with. Drug? Fine.
Addictive? No. I’ve covered that here, and of course here.
You know that doesn’t matter!
They’re not listening to us. They have tobacco fields to tend to!
The FDA says – and non-committal as it sounds, that it does not “appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence….. ” (addiction).
So, to make my prediction, since the New England Journal of Medicine released this
(Took their time to create and then tweeted this state of the art graphic:)
Briefly – they mention towards the end of their “official” story:
(This is where the perpetuate their lie) –>Nicotine is responsible for the addictiveness of tobacco, but it is not the ingredient that causes cancer and heart and pulmonary diseases.
Smoking still causes nearly half a million deaths each year in our country. Research now suggests that reducing the nicotine in cigarettes to a fraction of its current levels may be one way to lessen the health-destructive power of these products.
Now, with all that, the media – because they do love a good story, I predict that this:
“It is our hope, that because that this is such an intrinsic health concern that we will be able to get this approved in a swift and fast process,” Gellman said.
The company will be working toward FDA approval by the end of 2016…… Huh.
I hate math, but let us do it quickly, shall we? I have a prediction to make!
“The U.S. Food and Drug Association (FDA) funded a landmark study that showed 22nd Century’s proprietary Very Low Nicotine cigarettes were “associated with reductions in smoking, nicotine exposure, and nicotine dependence, with minimal evidence of nicotine withdrawal, compensatory smoking, or serious adverse events.” See study here: Randomized Trial of Reduced-Nicotine Standards for Cigarettes.”
Updated 6/22/16:
The prediction is better than I though:
“…scientists with The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a detailed characterization of the Company’s SPECTRUM® Variable Nicotine Research Cigarettes, calling 22nd Century’s proprietary cigarettes an “important tool in clinical studies for investigating…
“the independent study was conducted by a prestigious team of 18 senior CDC scientists”
The company’s cigarettes are part of an estimated $20 million FDA initiative to determine “the best method to quit smoking: an immediate reduction in nicotine to non-addictive levels vs. a gradual reduction in nicotine.”
The FDA said Monday it has nothing to share concerning the 22nd Century statement.
From 2007, FDA Director Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach had quite a bit to say:
“We could find ourselves in the conundrum of having made a decision about nicotine only to have made the public health radically worse. And that is not the position FDA is in; we approve products that enhance health, not destroy it,” said von Eschenbach, a urologic surgeon and oncologist who was confirmed as FDA commissioner in December.
Later in the article:
“In an hourlong interview with AP reporters and editors, von Eschenbach repeatedly said the FDA doesn’t need more regulatory authority. When asked if the FDA needed more money, he suggested the agency needs to look at “enhancing our efficiencies, maximizing our outputs for the dollar invested on part of the American people.”
Please, blow social media UP. Tell your non-smoking – non-vaping friends & family members they are being LIED to by these organizations and politicians worldwide.
They still insist nicotine is addictive. Dangerous, even. “They” claim more dangerous than heroin. That’s pretty drastic. Kind of scares me. Fine, dear reader, it doesn’t scare me. It scares the government enough, though, eh?
(Note: Updates are at the end!)
These are my questions, asked repeatedly over social media:
Is combustion reduced?
Will health benefits increase?
Are other ingredients reduced?
Will this cause more casual smokers?
Can you define “minimally” or “non-addictive”?
Is this nothing more than prescribing smoking?
What is being added to tobacco to reduce nicotine?
I’d like to sit down with “they” for a few hours, have some coffee. Discuss a few finer points of life in general, chat a bit, and tell them now they’re trying to convince everyone it’s the nicotine.
No one would want the public confused, would they?
It isn’t like it hasn’t been tried before in 1989:
The ultra-low-nicotine cigarette is the latest entry in an increasingly feverish race among tobacco manufacturers to stop a decline of 2 percent a year in cigarette consumption in the United States.
Tobacco industry executives say the process of removing nicotine that Philip Morris used to create the Merit Free is similar to the decaffeination process used on coffee beans.
”It’s a pretty common, patented process that we’re all aware of,” said Douglas Keeney, chairman of C. A. Blockers.
In summary, a toxicological analysisdoes not indicate that low-nicotine and nicotine-free Quest® cigarettes have less adverse toxicological effects in the laboratory than conventional cigarettes. This should draw the attention of the consumers and policy makers.
(Took their time to create and then tweeted this state of the art graphic:)
Briefly – they mention towards the end of their “official” story:
(This is where they perpetuate their lie) –>Nicotine is responsible for the addictiveness of tobacco, but it is not the ingredient that causes cancer and heart and pulmonary diseases.
Smoking still causes nearly half a million deaths each year in our country. Research now suggests that reducing the nicotine in cigarettes to a fraction of its current levels may be one way to lessen the health-destructive power of these products.
Now, with all that, the media – because they do love a good story, I predict that this:
“It is our hope, that because that this is such an intrinsic health concern that we will be able to get this approved in a swift and fast process,” Gellman said.
The company will be working toward FDA approval by the end of 2016…… Huh.
I hate math, but let us do it quickly, shall we? I have a prediction to make!
“The U.S. Food and Drug Association (FDA) funded a landmark study that showed 22nd Century’s proprietary Very Low Nicotine cigarettes were “associated with reductions in smoking, nicotine exposure, and nicotine dependence, with minimal evidence of nicotine withdrawal, compensatory smoking, or serious adverse events.” See study here: Randomized Trial of Reduced-Nicotine Standards for Cigarettes.”
Updated 6/22/16:
The prediction is better than I though:
“…scientists with The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) published a detailed characterization of the Company’s SPECTRUM® Variable Nicotine Research Cigarettes, calling 22nd Century’s proprietary cigarettes an “important tool in clinical studies for investigating…
“the independent study was conducted by a prestigious team of 18 senior CDC scientists”
The company’s cigarettes are part of an estimated $20 million FDA initiative to determine “the best method to quit smoking: an immediate reduction in nicotine to non-addictive levels vs. a gradual reduction in nicotine.”
The FDA said Monday it has nothing to share concerning the 22nd Century statement.
From 2007, FDA Director Dr. Andrew von Eschenbach had quite a bit to say:
“We could find ourselves in the conundrum of having made a decision about nicotine only to have made the public health radically worse. And that is not the position FDA is in; we approve products that enhance health, not destroy it,” said von Eschenbach, a urologic surgeon and oncologist who was confirmed as FDA commissioner in December.
Later in the article:
“In an hourlong interview with AP reporters and editors, von Eschenbach repeatedly said the FDA doesn’t need more regulatory authority. When asked if the FDA needed more money, he suggested the agency needs to look at “enhancing our efficiencies, maximizing our outputs for the dollar invested on part of the American people.”
X-22 is the first and only smoking cessation product in the form of a combustible cigarette.
X-22 is a six-week prescription treatment which utilizes Very Low Nicotine (VLN) cigarettes (95% less nicotine than conventional cigarettes) to satisfy a smoker’s craving for cigarettes while separating the act of smoking from the rapid delivery of nicotine.
This is its American brand sold in more than 600 stores. It is a high nicotine cigarette. It might seem counterintuitive, especially given the health benefits claimed by its very low nicotine cigarettes, but high nicotine cigarettes could have significant health benefits as well.
X-22 has certain advantages:
It’s a cigarette, people seem to prefer that
It has no side effects, apart from the harmful effects of cigarette smoke
It has been proved effective in six clinical trials
The FDA together with other agencies of the U.S. government have invested over $100 million in several independent medical studies which have shown the health benefits of the company’s proprietary tobacco cigarettes.
Dr. Dorothy Hatsukami a principal investigator in the trial has publicly indicated that an immediate reduction in consumption of nicotine is “most likely to lead to less harm.”
22nd Century Group Inc (NYSEAMERICAN:XXII) Ships 2.4 Million SPECTRUM® Cigarettes for the National Institute on Drug Abuse
Added 01/31/2018
The crimes continue… press release is to settle investors minds, in my opinion.
Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids and the Truth Initiative co-authored a letter to Dr. Gottlieb and the FDA
1. Smokers regulate their intake of nicotine to obtain the amount of nicotine that they need to sustain their addiction.
2. Spontaneous brand-switching studies suggest that there is no reduction in smoke intake per cigarette, and that any reductions that are seen in brand switchers depend upon whether or not those individuals also reduce their cigarette consumption.
3. Studies of smokers smoking self-selected brands showed a weak relationship between machine-measured nicotine yield and a smoker’s nicotine, CO, or thiocyanate exposure.
4. Considering the overall exposure data for individuals selecting their own brands, there is little reason to expect that smokers of low-yield cigarettes will have a lower risk of disease than those who smoke higher yield cigarettes.
Let me remind you of the accolades of lower nicotine:
Cliff Douglass of the American Cancer Society – thinks lower nicotine in cigarettes is “Absolutely everything”
NCI Director Ned Sharpless says “…good news for treating cancer and preventing cancer”
FDA’s Scott Gottlieb claims “Lower nicotine in the same product”
Matt Myers of Tobacco-Free Kids says “…to use products that won’t kill them”
Basing “minimally or non-addictive” levels of nicotine by lowering cigarette consumption by 1.6 less cigarettes… over two years… is a public health win? Here’s what they came up with after two years:
238 “non-daily” smokers… what?
over the course of two years...
lowered their smoking by 1.6 cigarettes…
“real-time reporting” and “cigarette butt counts.”
No – to slow progress… is this is what the Food and Drug Administration likes?
One of my favorite subjects – coveredhere and here…
Lavery said the FDA “is careful not to reveal its thinking on any potential future actions it may take.”
“But we came away from this meeting with a view that a low-nicotine product standard may be less likely to have scientific support to show that it would be appropriate for the protection of public health.”
Journalists. They spit out low quality fairy tales as fast as an e-cigarette study hits their untrained eye. Such articles give one an eye-opening glimpse into the many “amateur hour” hacks pretending to be “writers” they really are.
What a BUNCH of kumquats. I would be embarrassed to attach my name on such a lack of “efforts” in “journalism” I’ve seen. I can only refer to the skill in which these articles were written as piss-poor. Most of these reek of the kind of stench you find in a port-a-john in a late summer fair full of experts.
With all the articles I see on e-cigarettes in a given week from the “press” and “reliable sources”, MOST are written as if they were made up by the half-assed skill of an 11-year-old child. Still, after all this time e-cigarettes have been on the market, most journalists show very little fact-checking skills and write about them with little to no knowledge of e-cigarettes.
The problem is, those who don’t know better…
may believe them.
These are irresponsible and unacceptable misinformation machines.
Media today can barely put a comprehensive report out on e-cigarettes without sensationalism. They boldly publish and promote false statements and outright lies without apologies, without evidence, without integrity. There is evidently no pride lost in slinging their feces…
I am an amateur blogger. I’m not a professional writer, yet I put most of you to shame (both sides of this blog and previous posts for PLENTY of content) with the proper information for a smoker contemplating e-cigarettes and what they need to know.
Sadly, I write better than most of you, and I’m not a writer by profession. Most of you proudly show a lack of intelligence with each new “story”. See – that’s the thing, most of you are just telling stories. You’re specializing in e-cigarettes. E-cigarette fiction writers. Almost ass-hat like.
Am I being condescending? Yes, yes I am. Patronizing? Fine, if that’s how you feel. Some of you refer to e-cigarettes as smoking, so….we’re not on the same page. Work on that.
Some reporters are obviously too stupid or unable to put two sentences together coherently, they string a reader along by almost always starting off by describing an e-cigarette. Most of it is “expert copy & paste skills” from what I see. Regurgitating the same thing over and over and over again…. each article seems to have a theme.
Requirements, evidently, for being a piss-poor journalist:
Mention gateways and children, but rarely mention “the children“.
They almost NEVER mention reaching out to talk to ANY organization.
Research, in journalism – or at least this type of journalism isn’t acceptable to the public.
They rarely retract a story, when they do it’s barely mentioned in unrelated news or withOUT fanfare like the original story was bled to death.
Almost incessantly they will either allow comments until they don’t like them, will not allow certain comments, will delete them all or not allow them to begin with.
They LOVE exploding batteries. Here’s Christopher Russell on that:
Update on a 2nd one from Christoper Russell:
These wannabe’s take objectivity out, add in a five-gallon bucket of drivel, DON’T check facts, add in their own stupidity and use scary words like toxins – and makes a half-assed story go full ass.
One of the consequences of *#DailyPropaganda:
(*Thank you, Alan)
According to Wikipedia-(a source evidently not concerned with standards in facts):
Journalism has developed a variety of ethics and standards. While objectivity and a lack of bias are of primary concern and importance, more liberal types of journalism, such as advocacy journalism and activism, intentionally adopt a non-objective viewpoint. This has become more prevalent with the advent of social media and blogs, as well as other platforms that are used to manipulate or sway social and political opinions and policies. These platforms often project extreme bias, as “sources” are not always held accountable or considered necessary in order to produce a written, televised or otherwise “published” end product.
Please, keep in mind -whether you are the largest major news corporation or the smallest, I AM talking to YOU.
Do as you wish, “journalists”. Follow the pack, parasites. Keep going with your “hard-hitting” fluff that your friends admire. You must be proud of that degree in typing.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
~Joseph Goebbels
There’s something controversial coming soon. It’s going to sting. This information you’re going to see in this trailer isn’t a secret. It may show that you are truly inept at research, that you are unwilling or unable to use your alleged education in journalism, or you’re just plain stupid. This could have been your story.
It is a documentary about lies. Media, Government, Pharmaceuticals, Health and more. You know… all of you who should be paying attention instead of lying your full asses off…. or you may get da ishonorable mention in this.
Here are just some of the unedited comments “Real People ~ Real Answers” from the latest survey, unedited on question #34:
What is your opinion on reports you’ve seen in the media ?
Tired of seeing ‘know nothing asshats’ pretending to be experts on vaping.
Tuesday, Oct 6th 5:24AM
A lot of media coverage on this is made by people who have not done their research.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM
It’s a mix in the UK these days
Wednesday, Sep 9th 12:29AM
Media used to relay the facts, today they only care about what sells. They have clearly taken a side before any interviews have started, some have affiliations with other companies or political views and stick to that no matter what truth is presented to them.
The honest truth should be shown on ALL media outlets, they should not be allowed to have a bias in any direction, the facts are what are important.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM
I tend to look for articles on ecigs and see many that talk about benefits and share them with others, but my sources are usually ecig positive, and I ignore the negative media reports from outside my sphere.
Saturday, Aug 8th 3:07PM
It seems hard to find legit studies and information that prove or disprove anything. More independent studies from sources that are not affiliated with smoking or vaping would be nice to see.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM
The reports filled with blatant lies against vapor products were making me angry, so I stopped reading/watching them. Those that are lying should be held responsible.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM
i find the media headlines negative aspects of vaping and e cigarettes way over the top. E cigarette and battery fires, exploding batteries etc are usually due to lack of knowledge and misuse. Any battery powered device can a do explode, set on fire etc, but the media don’t report these instances the same way they do with e cigarettes.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM
The amount of biased/ill informed propaganda circulating both in media and on social network is, in my opinion, disgraceful!
Thursday, Jul 30th 2:03PM
To the last point “I’ve seen more experts than can possibly exist” it’s more like “experts”. People who let others think they know what they are talking about
Wednesday, Jul 29th 9:50AM
I have seen news which are made up to make e cig sounds bad, but truly it has nothing to do with e cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM
The media know fuck all and need to a few lessons in vaping!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM
i have seen and heard way too many lies by people who are “experts” saying that its bad and targeting kids. i want them to support vaping rather than trying to get rid of the only actual effective way to quit smoking
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM
most of the reports are outrageous and test the vaping device at levels that no person would actually use it at, because at those levels you no longer have the actual taste of the e liquid you have nothing but a burnt taste
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM
The never ending saga of a biased media and their sheeple.
Saturday, Jul 25th 11:55AM
its unballanced and there is too much scaremungering going on from very ignorant people
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM
Big tobacco money talks
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM
It is very confusing trying to figure out what is information from real studies or reliable sources as opposed to what is made up on a non fact based opinion. That goes for both positive and negative information. I have stopped reading anything because I don’t know what to trust is from an accurate source
Sunday, Jul 19th 10:45AM
It seems only the sensationalist, biased reports get the big headlines!
Sunday, Jul 19th 11:12AM
The media is attracted to negative stories.
From memory, there are 10 million smokers in the UK and 2.6M vapers. Of the vapers about 1M don’t dual use. I’m sure there’s plenty that don’t do either now. There needs to be a Panorama-type program to tell the good news truth about vaping and the money and power behind FDA and EU bans.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM
The propaganda is profoundly intellectually dishonest & scientifically incorrect.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 9:37AM
Most of what is out there is propoganda and when there is the side of vaping shown (pro vaping) it is far too often denounced. There are reports that show vaping honesty but they are few and far between because the govt does not want vaping to be seen as a good thing
Monday, Jul 13th 4:45PM
Junk science that is published them later pulled is stupid and irresponsable once it’s out there people believe it’s gotta be true when it isn’t
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM
There a a few unbiased reports out there, but most are fear-mongering.
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM
In the UK, I’ve seen both positive and negative coverage. But in the US it’s much worse, probably because of those vested interests. I do object to pharma companies putting signs in GPs offices saying ‘Don’t vape, stop smoking for good’ as it’s likely to put people off vaping. Vaping can save lives so why tell people not to do it? Insane.
Monday, Jul 13th 11:54AM
Heard some ridiculous stories. Battery safety is down to users, same as of you use a mobile phone, I have yet to meet anyone who has had anything more than a slight reaction to the pg. They simply used a Lewis worth more vg.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:30AM
Much of the media coverage (print and broadcast) reminds me of reports from the 80s and 90s suggesting that violent video games, television and rock music were responsible for teenagers committing serious crimes. Responsibility is being thrust on industry, rather than on parents, which is borderline atrocious
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM
Very seldom do I see fair balanced reporting on the subject and when I see articles they are usually biased and slanted against Vaping and are chock full of misinformation and propaganda. The only fair and balanced information I have seen have been from the vaping industry itself.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM
This is true of a lot of the reports on the news, but I have seen lots of good studies done by professionals based on REAL SCIENCE and accurate reporting standards. I would never say vaping is 100% safe, but some of the reports on the news are just irresponsible and dissuade people from switching from stinkies, when they aren’t even true.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:15PM
The real issue is the indoctrination the media has both received and repeated for the last 50 years from anti-smoking lobbies. It is because of this that all consumer nicotine products are demonized, regardless of potential benefit.
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:43PM
There have been both sides of reports on vaping, depends on who is making the statement in the perticular article, I’m sure there will be debates for quite some time, I could care less, I smoked about 40 years , now I vape, I think it was a smart choice for me, I’m not concerned about health issues cause it can’t be worse than smoking, either way I’m apparently not going to live for ever , I’m pretty smart, smart enough to try vaping and get off cigarettes.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM
The impact of what is reported is much more detrimental to those who don’t know any better or TRUST the media.
That’s why I’m here.
If I had relied on media reports for information I would have been too concerned with the long term safety of e-cigarette use to try them and I would still be smoking today.
“Budget”. Well. What does THAT have to do with e-cigarettes and the country? What does that have to do with the FDA (I thought they were the “authority”) and deeming regulations?
It’s about health, right? It’s about children, right?
If you DON’T know what I’m babbling about, you need to brush up on your information overload by going HERE to CASAA, and HERE immediately afterwards. You don’t even have to read this blog.
I certainly do not believe they will “ban” them in the United States. They have had since 2009 to stew on this. They’ve had PLENTY of time to “deem” them tobacco.
THEN, they have the wording so they can TAX them like tobacco. I’ll get back to that in a minute.
Finally, the United States Government – and other tax collecting entities. Ever notice when you bought a pack of smokes how the sign may say “cigarettes sold at state minimum”? No? Me either.
This does not help the Government – to lose all this money. Pharmaceutical companies are calling their “friendly” senators.
Evidently, the group ASCAN
American Cancer Society Action Network –
already knows Congress actually works for them – not “the people”.
Upstanding *cough, cough* “Tobacco Control” *cough – experts are also involved.
If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco I believe:
“Real People ~ Real Answers”
I make my own juice and would continue. I have a 20 year supply of nicotine in my freezer.
Friday, Oct 9th 10:52AM
One point, there would be less motivation, not no motivation. Because e-cigs have more to offer.
Thursday, Oct 8th 5:13PM
With no incentive to switch over why would they?
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM
it would be a heinous grievance against an entire community to make this change at this point in the game
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 2:03PM
That would be the worst thing you could do; limit the availability by keeping it out of a person’s financial reach.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM
There would be a huge black market. I do not foresee myself paying taxes on my ejuice. lol.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM
Other quit smoking products are not taxed, at least not in Sweden or Estonia, to tax e-cigarette liquids would be insane.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM
If they ban or regulate them to be as expencive as gums and pathes, the are making a huge mistake, a crime to public health.
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM
The cost savings was the biggest stimulation to try e-cigs.
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM
Apart from the obvious fact there is no legal reason to tax as tobacco, it would reduce the likely hood of some people trying them. As prices would be ridiculous it would also kill most of the industry that is already in place.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM
Ecigs will just become less appealing to new users, people established will find a way around anything, there will be a new black market to exploit.
Saturday, Aug 8th 7:53AM
Understand the patches, gum and inhalers are over the counter now and greatly reduced in price. The FDA a few yrs ago announced that there was no harm in nicotine useage from these products. Other than monetary gain for pharma companies, I can’t figure out why the fed and state gov’s would ban/restrict the use of vaping…..Except that individuals might be influenced with “donations”.
Thursday, Aug 6th 2:59AM
I would not have a problem, worst comes to the worst ill not use nicotine, and just mix my own as i do now!
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:25AM
It would be like the main goal of tobacco companies and the government would be money not my or anyone else’s health. This includes non-smokers because as a smoker they will inhale bad stuff, even if it’s 3rd hand smoke — which as a smoker they can get from my hair, clothes, home, car, etc. even if they are never ever around me while I actually smoke.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM
I make my own juice so that better not get more expencive!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM
There would definitely be less motivation for smokers to try them. Money and health were the two reasons I tried them. It would be completely irresponsible to tax them at the same rate.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM
It might slow down the Vaping movement, but it would continue to grow. A Giant Black Market would arise.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM
I have the right to make choices about my health. I choose to vape and to be tobacco- and smoke-free.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM
I think e-cigs should be taxed like any other product, but NOT like tobacco. Tobacco is taxed heavily because of the healthcare costs smoking produces. Vaping is not that dangerous, so it shouldn’t be taxed like tobacco.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:25PM
I can still afford it and would still vape, but it might easily deter others.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM
Criminal, but probably inevitable
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM
Not sure how the could justify taxing e cigarettes or e liquids. Other than vat
If e liquids where heavily taxed then more people would start diy mixing which in my opinion could be more dangerous if not knowledgable.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM
A lot of time, saving money is a big factor for quitting cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM
If they tax it, it wont affect me because i mix my own… Mother fukka’s are so gready!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM
if the taxes become outrageous then no new person is gonna bother trying and if the choices are limited then vaping will be no more successful than the patch or gum 😦
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM
I am against any tax on e-cigarettes, it already costs to much for most people especially the ones that have moved from regular to e-cigs because they could no longer afford regular cigs.
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM
As a machinist, I can make my own mech mods and attys. I build my own attys, I don’t use regulated power supplies, and I make my own juice. They can’t hurt me… but they can certainly have a negative effect on others, both new and experienced.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:50PM
they are in no way, shape, or form – tobacco, stop trying to tax them as such!
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM
It will be a sad sad day when this happens. The biggest fear I have is government taking away what has clearly saved my life.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:15AM
the goverments want controll for the money it rakes in they just want their greedy little mitts on it. i think alot of people would go back to smoking, thats not good
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM
Politicians refuse to let a source of revenue lie dormant, peoples health is secondary
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM
I’ll make my own coils, my own juice – not going to tax me to hell and back.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM
I dont think taxes would stop people from vaping. I would not stop. But it will just weaken vaping and make it a bit less attractive, especially for new vapers.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM
black market, nuff said.
big tobacco and their croneys can GFTS!!
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM
I see no need to tax ecigarettes. We pay sales tax on this stuff, isn’t that enough for the state? It’s not my fault if the states depend on funds from a source that kills it’s consumers and needs to find money elsewhere now that they are earning less revenue do to people making a healthy switch. We should be rewarded for switching to vape since it’s a healthier alternative, not punished.
Saturday, Jul 18th 2:46PM
If the flavors are restricted or taken away, I wouldn’t be able to keep vaping. I’ve tried different tobacco flavors…even the tobacco flavor made by Marlboro…they all taste bad, even the menthol.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM
It would also create a huge black market of which i would be going to.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM
Motivation is multifactorial. I was actually motivated to buy my first ecig to replace the nicotine while I had a rabid ex-smoker in the house working for me. Once I tried it I felt I could use it to give up smoking for health. Money was never a motivation for me. “Is it cheaper” is usually the first question people ask me so it’s obviously a factor for most people.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM
I hope it will be recognized as the help people need to quit smoking and NOT taxed.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 12:23PM
A black market could develop
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM
Of course, it wouldn’t result in people not trying e-cigarettes at all, just because they’re not cheaper than tobacco anymore. That’s not the point. But it would increase the threshold for people to “just give it a try and see if it works”. If, at the time, a pack of cigarettes was 5 EUR and that eGo-T kit would have been 10 EUR, I might have hesitated to just give it a try. It might be a good idea to tax nicotine concentrate a bit more, so people have some incentive to drop their nicotine consumption or go down to 0mg – after all, a caffeine addiction is still an addiction, too.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM
i will import my goods meaning the UK will lose out on VAT.
Monday, Jul 13th 7:29PM
It would be criminal.
Monday, Jul 13th 5:24PM
They are NOT a tobacco product…so they should not be taxed as such
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM
There is absolutely no justification for treating vaping products the same as tobacco products.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:56PM
Taxes on tobacco were to offset the health care cost, vaping should be encouraged to help rid all of their need for tobacco
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM
Dear politicians, do NOT regulate it into a black market. I, however already have my black market sources set up. We ex-smokers ain’t playin’!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM
The e-cig users I know would never go back to tobacco – even with a tax on e-cigs. I would complain about the tax but would never go back to cigarettes.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:50AM
It would increase costs for no good reason, assuming they aren’t made with tobacco.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM
The fact that they are less expensive in the long run, combined with the fact that there is a big expense at the start, encouraging commitment to trying to stay with them instead of going back when it gets hard, makes e-cigarettes more likely to help smokers quit smoking for good. They should not be taxed like cigarettes are.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:33AM
Vaping is not smoking. Vaping is the solution to the problem of smoking.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM
i think its mainly a matter of principles and semantics. foodies generally arent bulimic, it doesnt mean the same thing so why should they be put in the same basket? I am not a smoker anymore so why should I be opressed as one? yes, i said opressed. that being said im not an economy analyst
Monday, Jul 13th 8:45AM
everything that we as people like get taxed on everything ,if they tax us on vaping equipment lots of people would not try and probably never quit ,I find that disgraceful
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM
People in the e-cig industry already regulate their own products to a much higher standard than most other industries..
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM
it would be the government wanting money to make up for there loss no better than drug dealers
Monday, Jul 13th 5:56AM
Trying to make vaping less accessible irresponsible, dangerous and will cost lives.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM
I am fairly confident I will never go back to cigarettes. They are disgusting.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:08AM
Never going back
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:27PM
How do you tax something as tobacco when there is no tobacco in it? Do they tax lighters and ashtrays like tobacco? Do they tax nicotine patches and gums like tobacco?
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM
Some tax will be involved it’s the American way, but should Never be treated the same…
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM
they should be taxed and regulated to an extent tobacco taxs are out of the question
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:32PM
If/when the e-cig industry gets taxed at the same level as the tobacco industry, you will see less motivation for borderline smokers/vapers to switch to vaping, in their minds it would be like; Why bother to smoke and vape, its gonna cost me about the same either way, I liked smoking, I’m gonna go back to smoking. Another thing I think you will see is the vape industry go underground, black market kinda thing. Online sales with little to no regulation what so ever will be the way to go. With some of the larger vendors become even larger and richer, and some of the smaller and mid size companies will expand and get larger as well. All the rest, the small fry will either get bought up by the other vendors, or will simply go out of business. It is scary to think that the politicians have the e-cig industry by the short and curlies, for what reason? GREED plain and simple.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM
We are not using tobacco and vaporizers and eliquid should not be controlled and taxed the way tobacco is. Smoking cigarettes is deadly. Vaping is not.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:17PM
Small vape shops would not survive the costs.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM
I hope when regulations come and tax the products, they consider the fact most of our industry is comprised of businesses with 10 people or less. Please regulate us as such, we are not a giant corporation.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM
Its probably gonna happen
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:55PM
This question should be split. Taxed=it would be totally unfair to vapers. Regulated=it would protect vapers.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:23PM
I might go back to smoking because of the price … or go black market with health risks
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:39PM
How is punishing someone for choosing a healthier
lifestyle sane?
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM
The prices would say rocket and people wouldn’t be able to afford it. If am item that is $120 and say gets taxed 70% like Washington DC the price goes up to $205 and that’s just the tax let alone what the shop needs to make a profit so like $230 alot of people including my self can’t afford that.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:54AM
Those in charge would lower the percentage of niccotine in eliqiud , and we would be stuck with those silly cigarrete look a like e-cigs!
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:31AM
This is the only strategy that will get the government away from criticizing the industry.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM
I believe that the regulations for the E-cig industry will tower over the tobacco, in that there are over 4100 hazardous chemicals, 57 of them are known cancer causers in each puff of a cigarette. There is no comparison between the 2.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM
There will become a black market for them.
Sunday, Jul 12th 8:21AM
It would destroy the industry and hurt countless people!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM
Vaping saves lives compared to tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:01AM
Money is one of the big motivating factors, I believe.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM
taxing like cigarettes would drive people back to smoking as prices would be crazy high as they are its not a cheep alternative now
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM
Taxing and regulating e-cigarettes the same as combustable tobacco products while keeping those on the market would result in people who could otherwise switch not doing so. Ultimately that would be detrimental to public health. Some people cannot or do not want to abstain from nicotine, and as adults should have the right to determine for themselves the form they wish to take their nicotine. However, those forms which are less harmful, or perceived to be less harmful to the individual user should be encouraged by less taxation and fewer regulations than combustible products with known health effects.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM
This would be a public health travesty.
Epic stupidity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:58PM
I don’t believe it should be regulated or taxed as a tobacco because it is not. Comparing apples to oranges…
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM
if they made if so I cannot purchase the ingredients I need, like nicotine to make my ejuice. I would probably just go to zero nic. But MANY people would return to smoking. If I could not make zero nic ejuice I would probably fall into smoking rapidly.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM
just be a dangerous health question
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM
Which would suit big tobacco and big pharmaceutical companies producing patches and gum for us all to rely on them.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM
could become cost prohibitive.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:07PM
The cost is often the first carrot to tempt people to make the switch, and any impediment to getting people to stop using traditional tobacco products is a very, very bad idea (except for Big Tobacco).
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:07AM
I would just by juice in parts and mix my own
Saturday, Jul 11th 4:21AM
This is about me not smoking cigarettes, not about taxes, if the government taxed e cigarettes I would be very disappointed , that would make a tax look like a tax grab not about a choice of the lessor of 2 evils.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM
Would make me hate tobacco and government even more. Astonishing how the greatest cause of preventable death in the world is still legal and on the market. People have voting power and the more people that take side with the viability of PV’s, the more influence there will be to prevent this from happening.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM
No matter what I’ll will not go back to tobacco , if I had to I would just completely quit it all , just have to replace my time with exercise , painting. Let’s see them tax that !!
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:59AM
I would still vape
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM
There are smokers and there are vapers seldom do I see both
Friday, Jul 10th 10:42PM
It is not tobacco.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM
You cannot just pick up an ecig and vape. There is so much you need to learn to work the equipment properly and find a taste that you enjoy and a nicotine level that you need. Vape shops need to be able to explain various products they have. People need to be able to sample the e-liquid before they buy or they will just be wasting money on things that don’t work and just stick to smoking because it is so much easier.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:48PM
It will open the doors to subpar ejuices and mock mods, tanks accessories, black market. No one wants toxic chems in their ejuice, no one wants sub par Mods, tanks.
Friday, Jul 10th 3:04PM
There´s allways a choise not to pay too much. Though it would ruin business locally (the few left, most of them allready went abroad)
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM
While many of us (myself included) would continue to vape regardless (because we are capable of DIY building everything necessary from devices, to vaporizers, to e-liquids) this would stop thousands or more from being able to successfully kick the smoking habit!
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:22PM
If categorized as a tobacco product, people may think they are just as harmful. Also, the fact that ecigs are much cheaper is a huge factor in people deciding to try them, and ultimately quit cigarettes all together.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 12:12PM
Vaping is not a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:33AM
It would be an unconscionable effort by the government to recoup lost revenues from the cigarette taxes that they have profited from to date. History will reveal the great lies and deceit of the tobacco vilification of our semi recent political climate regarding tobacco use, and the huge government profits gained by this slanted social agenda.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:22PM
I wouldn’t be going back to smoking but it would effect those who currently smoke.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM
I think regulation would be better for safety, but taxing like tobacco would be bad.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:37PM
I would start mixing my own e liquid and buy hardware from overseas or from ‘vaping underground’
Monday, Jul 6th 9:57AM
Make your own E juice it’s easier then most people think.
Saturday, Jul 4th 4:45PM
And obviously – the only people to gain from this is the government.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 11:58PM
In countries where sale of e-liquids containing nicotine, this would in effect legalize those liquids. This of course means, that the regulation is not completely skewed to not reflect the amounts people use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM
There would be less motivation for smokers to try them. Many vapers would go back to smoking. It would be likely for the emergence of a ‘black market’ with products really dangerous to public health similar to the trade in illicit alcohol.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM
Regulation also has the issue that it would basically kill all the BETTER devices, mods, atomizers etc. and cig-a-likes would invade the markets which almost everyone knows are not effective / satisfying at all. Also one of the main things compared to smoking has always been SAVING MONEY while having some “bad habbit”. Taxing and regulation would make everything much more expensive than what it is and would also kill smaller businesses and give e-cigarette industry to tobacco companies who have the money.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:43PM
One of the reasons i switched over to vaping is that its a LOT cheaper than smoking( atleast in Finland). Roughly 5€ a pack of smokes, 1 pack a day is 150€ a month. I ordered liquids that i mix myself, cost roughly 80€, and it lasts me 4-6 months.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 10:29AM
No proven harm = NO SIN TAX. They can tax it when they calculate harm and tax-payer burden in financial terms, but it should also reflect the savings/reduction in harm from cigarette use. A decrease in sin tax revenue from tobacco is NOT a reason to tax as they are supposed to be collected to cover associated social costs of cigarette use, which would drop along with cigarette use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 9:07AM
…and cause many many more people to die unnecessarily from tobacco related illnesses.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:22AM
Vaping is a safer form of smoking and most definitely prolongs people’s well-being should they switch to vaping over tobacco, therefore should not be taxed
Monday, Jun 29th 4:42PM
Taxation already exists in the form of VAT on purchases. If taxation is increased I will shop more from abroad to avoid paying the UK Government monies I do not believe are justifiable.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM
I don’t think I would go back, but I would probably look at untaxed sources
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM
Flavours and nic strength wouldn’t be such a choice either. Not to mention finding a device for each individual.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM
It would be likely to reduce access to non-smokers wanting to vape. That being said, this is a low number of people who it would affect.
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM
They should NOT be taxed – end of.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM
Sales tax alone is income to the government, sales that otherwise would not be there. Anything more is just government greed and abuse of governmental authority and power. There should not even BE a “sin tax”. Furthermore overtaxing will destroy the industry and put it firmly in the hands of Big Tobacco.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM
#1. Some people will always smoke cigarettes.
#2. It depends on how high the tax is. If it is
less than cigarettes we have a chance at
introducing them to smokers to save money (and
improve their health)
#3 If the tax is comparable to cigarettes, then
we approach the smoker on change of lifestyle,
improved health, better living environment,
etc.
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM
Very sad day.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM
Some teens have a passing interest in e-cigarettes, but are far more interested in smoking. One of the biggest draws is saving money over smoking – health is a far second.
Sunday, Jun 28th 8:24AM
In the UK we pay VAT on vaping anyaway so there is no real need to tax.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:12AM
I would find a black market
Sunday, Jun 28th 7:00AM
While I would never smoke tobacco again, I know many who aren’t far enough along the quitting process and would revert to smoking.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:36AM
I think the government wants use to smoke as they get a lot of money from smokers. I am sad to say that but I think it is true.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:01AM
I’m one of the few people that enjoy saying, “I don’t know” when asked something I don’t know the answer to
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM
If e-cigarettes are taxed and regulated the same way tobacco is, this would cause a lot of small businesses to be shut down because they wouldn’t be able to afford the measures needed to meet these absurd regulations, or they would have to upcharge their products so much that it would be MORE expensive than cigarettes. This would put an end to innovative vaping technologies, creative thinking, and ultimately drive vapers back to smoking!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:23PM
ofcourse, tax it, and I’ll buy tax free online internationally thankyou very much, but if vaping was made to cost anything close to the price of smoking, it would be a complete disaster, it would give smokers no real motivation to vape vs smoke.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM
It wouldn’t effect me because I DIY.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:02PM
This is where the government needs to be locked out!
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:28PM
My shop would close the day after that tax went into effect.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:22PM
It would be a crime! People deserve the chance and it isn’t tobacco so don’t tax it like it is. Part of quitting tobacco was to save me money.
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:05PM
Taxed like Tobacco would deter people from wanting to try it because they’re paying the same tax on vapor products as they would cigarettes.. At that point it would only come down to the people who would really want to stop, and need the alternative.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:46PM
This is perhaps the biggest concern I have right now. I want to see anyone who wants to try e-cigs to have the chance!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM
Price is driving a good deal of my business. Taxes will hurt.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:27PM
I originally tried it because I wanted to save money. I really had no expectation of quitting since nothing I’ve tried had worked. If they cost the same as tobacco cigarettes, less people may be inclined to try them. I quit over a year ago and the only reason I’m not saving ugh money is because it has become a hobby collecting gear and new devices.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:37PM
Taxation would mean more people keeping on smoking and not trying egigs
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:33PM
It would lessen the incentive for tobacco users to switch to vaping
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:55AM
nothing would change except pricing
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:13AM
And it would be illegal in France to tax them as tobacco or even near.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM
It would deter new people to vaping, but to those of us that are experienced it wont. How are you going to tax pg vg and flavor? It is really easy to make, coils wick and all. That’s what’s driving everyone insane. They can tax the disposables, but no one buys them now anyway.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:27AM
I am lucky, I can make mods, atties and juice. Most will not have this luxury.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:49AM
It would seriously harm vaping and could destroy it.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM
I would stop vaping and I wouldn’t use any tobacco products.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:40AM
It can already be inaccessible financially, I feel further taxation, particularly in the ranges I’ve seen proposed, would be downright discriminatory to lower income individuals.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM
I’d be pissed off!
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:00AM
we will make a black market,no thanks on your tax..
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:32AM
I personally would try to find a black market solution to avoid pointless taxation and stealth vape in public places.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:21PM
Primarily, the majority of folks that would still vape are those that have truly experienced how bad smoking can harm the body.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:33PM
I think it would have to be fairly draconian for me to consider going back to smoking. Will undoubtedly slow take up and discourage switching though, which would be a big fail for public health.
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM
I can make literally everything I need myself, except for the nicotine extract. If it’s taxed to hell, I’ll just be planning semi-annual trips to Mexico.
Just sayin’.
Friday, Jun 26th 1:43AM
I won’t be going back to smoking
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM
It depends on the regulations set. If it was controlled by the cigarette industry I really do not know what I would do.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM
If you treat it like tobacco it will have a stigma of tobacco this may put people off from trying also as money sometimes can be a factor taxing it would also not help it should be treated as a consumer product with some regulations ie 18 age restriction with support of health officials as a way of stopping using tobacco
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM
The government only cares about your tax money and will do whatever it takes to get it. The health argument is just a political goto strategy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:28PM
I would learn to make my own ejuice!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:29PM
stupidest decision on the planet
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:09PM
it will assist with closing local shops. And I wll not buy online, so therefore could push me back to smoking tobacco
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM
Flavourings are used in food as well and would be very hard to tax, nicotine and vg/pg would be hard to tax as well and can be stored in freezers for years to come.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM
People will continue to smoke, even if ecigs were being given away.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:29PM
SIN TAX OK
CIGARETTE TYPE TAX NOT OK
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:49PM
To treat e-cig users as smokers, and e-cig products as tobacco products, infringes on our rights. It is ignorant and dishonest. it makes me question the people who have been elected into power and the industries pulling their strings.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM
Taxed or regulated as tobacco, would be seen as “being the same as tobacco” – even though vaping CLEARLY is not smoking.
The same as banning people to walk around in public with water bottles, since no one can tell if its really water in that bottle, or maybe vodka/gin?
There has to be an incentive to switch to vaping – other than improving health. Harm reduction and harm reversal seems to be the main goals of switching, and the most smokers are low-middle income people, that really wants to save a penny and get on with a life not chained to smoking cigarettes. If tobacco/vaping were to be taxed and regulated even stricter, with higher prices – that would only benefit the big companies and the governments … the smokers/vapers would still buy the products (liquids/e-vapes/cigarettes) even if the price went skyhigh, and the rest of the family (the children) will be left to pay the ultimate sacrifice: What ever money is left, after the vaping/smoking products has been bought, is what is left for food, clothes a.s.o.
Tobacco/vaping gear are “BARE NECESSITIES” – or “need to have” – food and clothes will (by smokers) be seen as “nice to have”.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:48AM
My circle of novice users and I will continue vaping because we have a large amount of private stock to last us for 10 years or more. Everyone should do that. someone who Taxes a healthier alternative over tobacco does not earn respect and should never win.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM
Personally, I will NOT go back to smoking tobacco, whatever the law is. If necessary, I’ll become a criminal – after being a good citizen for almost 50 years.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:31AM
in my country it would be twice as expensive as
smoking is so it will be harder to get people to
switch over to the amazing world of vaping sadly
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:10AM
Governments would also be attaching their revenues to a variable source which their motivation is to see diminish. This is the very definition of fiscal insanity and must be resisted, not for the health of the vaping industry but for the health of the population as a whole.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM
cost is always a factor but if they cost the same I would still use my vape rather than smoking because it has allowed me to ween off nicotine
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:49PM
for myself, i don’t care. I build my own coils, i can DIY for my liquid to avoid taxes. But it will prevent some smokers from trying and that’s a shame.
Unfortunatly, Taxes may be the only thing that will make governments support the ecig. If they can get their money from the ecig, as much as with the regular ones, and with less health issues….believe me, if this happens, you will see a bunch of officials and media praising the holy ecig…
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM
I believe I would totally quit. We are taxed to death now.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28PM
The states would reap the profits the small store would close and people will go back to tobacco use because it will be cheaper.( i can guarantee that) people will be dying from smoking more and more. This is not the right answer
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24PM
You can’t regulate something like tobacco if there isn’t tobacco in it.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:27PM
..in Canada to classify a product as something that it is not, for the purpose of regulation/taxation.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:23AM
For me, my e-cig is a health product, why would they tax something that’s saving them spending money to treat me for health issues?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM
If ecigs are treated the same as tobacco, it will deter smokers from switching. If it comes to the point that ecigs are no longer available or so expensive I couldn’t afford them, I’d go straight to the black market without any guilt whatsoever.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM
Treatments for disease (tobacco addiction) should not be taxed. Sin tax was placed on tobacco to offset the healthcare costs. There is no evidence that vaping causes any harm to health or increased cost to healthcare. If anything reducing smoking reduces health consequences. We should be handing vapes out in hospitals & healthcare facilities
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:00PM
Just like when cigarette taxes increased and we saw an increase of tobacco trafficking, we will see the industry move underground. And probably with a lot more success than tobacco ever had, as it’s not that difficult to do much of this stuff yourself.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM
Before I started vaping I was spending 500$ or more a month between the wife and myself. After starting vaping its half that per month, however, I do splurge on new mods 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:32AM
They say smoking costs the NHS a lot of funds over the years, so are taxed to help cover those funds, yet people that vape are now not using the service for smoking related illnesses, which in the long term should see less having to be spent because of people having a healthier lifestyle?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:57AM
If e-cigarettes were taxed, I would be pissed-off, but I would still use them (and start hunting for good deals online!)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:07AM
So stupid to tax it. But we all know its coming.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM
Again MONEY is the primary objective. Big Tobacco and Pharmacuticals have lost aLOT of money due to less revenue by individuals choosing to VAPE. It is a BRUTAL shame that many (IF taxed/regulated) a smoker may never try vaping for THAT reason. I may spend more now stockpiling but in the long run, it will pay for itself! Would I go back to smoking – NO, I’ve been on the other side too long. I have stocked up on a multitude of supplies.
Never will I give my funds to do harm t my body and honestly the thought of the taste of burning tobacco … bleck !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM
If E cigarettes are regulated the same as tobacco products then we may as well sick a fork in my eye as there is no hope and the world has gone mad!
oh i know lets regulate something to the point its impossible for users to have a decent vape then tax it and encourage converting back to killer cigarettes costing the nhs a fortune stupid f@*ked up world.
Sarcasm!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:16AM
I believe the government does not care one
bit about our health. It’s all about the tax.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:07AM
Vaping should be encouraged, and for those that need help affording this technology, the money raised from smokers for smoking should be made available to any smoker who wishes to quit smoking in any manner.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:48AM
ecigs will eventually become the norm for nicotine delivery!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:47AM
There is no reason to tax like cigarettes, that is just a money grubbing tactic by the government because so many people are quitting they are losing money. Some states states are going to be in it deep when they need to start paying off the tobacco settlement money bonds.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28AM
Would make it just as expensive and therefore less viable choice for quitting.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM
People with health awareness could still prefer vaping no matter the cost.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:20AM
taxation will not effect me unless it’s at a ridiculous rate
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:58AM
It would be criminal and the worst decision ever made by trying to gain money from a health product.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM
This is why I learned to wrap and wick coils, and to make my own e-liquid. The government can stuff their taxes in any orifice they feel appropriate. 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:57AM
I would sue the government, and seek criminal charges.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:54AM
If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco, I believe the government who passes that legislation has effectively murdered millions of people.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:33AM
It depends on how extensive the taxing was and how much the prices would go up. But yes any taxing would make it less accessible and more likely to deter people from trying.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:22AM
It would be a stupid thing to do as one of the main reasons for taxing tobacco is to deter users due to the danger.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:33AM
MEDIA, you’re NEXT.
Research on ECIGS is well published and available HERE and HERE
Every dog, or in this case, chimp, has his day. We’ve all had personal and professional triumphs. We’ve suffered losses, failures. We at first ~ especially when we’re younger, hungry trying to “change the world”, hopefully for the better.
To make a mark in life – there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Specifically, if you’re in the public health field, you’d want that to be a lasting mark. You’d want that to be memorable. You’d want to help people. Change lives for the better.
Reducing or eliminating smoking would be a start.
My father had some sayings. “Know for a fact” was one.
‘I’m not just another pretty face” was another.
Simon Chapman, Tobacco Control. A man on a mission.
Let me speak first of all – to the surprise of some of you, of Chimpmanzee having done “some good”. In 1983, he wrote The Lung Goodbye. (That document being held in the UCSF website – Truth Tobacco Industry Documents – presumably held in trust by fellow chimpster, Stanton Glantz.)
Surely, in the scheme of things, The Lung Goodbye was groundbreaking stuff. I’ve enjoyed it very much. Great insight in there. Showing how to fight the tobacco companies like a pit-bull.
I myself used it – Credited it like asked, and never even so much as got a thank you – you ungrateful monkey.
No, that’s not it, Chump. No, that’s not it, Chimp. There, that’s better.
I figured from the very beginning of my “twitter” life, I would follow the very people who are against e-cigarettes. It was a no-brainer! I wanted to learn from them. Obviously they know something I don’t. Obviously from their tenure, experience, education, background, knowledge MUST be free flowing and available for the world to see.
I thought it would be advantageous to see exactly what those e-cigarette users weren’t telling me. They MUST have been hiding something! I was fully confident – professors like GlANTZ. Chimpman. MONcKee. Chimpewell….. those academic geniuses I was finding by the hour would know ALL about e-cigarettes…. surely they would tell all!
NONE of them HAVE research. They like to look at everyone elses… make comments… create a stir… throw their feces around…. but not do their own research.
Shortly after joining, I created my first survey realizing these chimpanzees were not receptive to “common” former smokers, dual users and completely quitters!
BOY oh BOY was I ever excited to share my anecdotal evidence with them and the world, heck maybe I’d be invited in for banana hour at the local college!
I’m sure there’s more, I just don’t want you getting hit with any flying feces. You know how chimpanzees can enjoy tossing their own excrement.
More than enough to go around, Chimpanzee likes to make statements over tweets of others.
Much to my amusement, so do I.
The difference between myself and Chumpmonkey – a “professional” who is allegedly knowledgeable, educated and wrong – should be held to a much higher standard. In the academic world, the professional world, and in the very world of tobacco control? I’d think so.
The difference is – I’m not a professor. I’m a citizen.
You would think ANYONE in tobacco control would be for e-cigarettes as an alternative to smoking. There’s no tobacco. There’s no smoke. He’ll tweet his opinion. (Note the applause of Chimpwell in this below)
Mr. Chapman should also be forced to make a public apology to millions of smokers & non-smokers all over the world, for lying and making up false evidence on the harms of "passive smoking" … pic.twitter.com/tKBwHzrXrY
I am a consumer, private citizen and more than a casual observer of your stupidity on Twitter.
On 14 November, 2015, I posted the above blog. With pleasure. I do enjoy your inept attempts at barely being relevant, holding on to a banana peel with all your might to have your final influence on the world of tobacco.
It’s fun to watch.
Under the impression you were a “professional”, my blog implied you were a chimpanzee. I realize this may cause concern and implications. I have since realized you may well be an ape, and I want to apologize to any chimpanzees I may have offended – in any manner.
I certainly don’t need chimpanzees coming after me. The allegations of you being a professional in any capacity of tobacco harm reduction for the masses were obviously misconstrued by me. I will do what I can to keep others from believing you are a professional.
I realize you are not lawfully permitted to perform research, or conduct said research, and cannot be expected to speak intelligently with a banana in one hand, your excrement in the other AND know what massive amounts of research there is to understand with e-cigarettes.
Maybe the English department can read it to you.
I presume you just don’t understand all that mumbo jumbo without pictures.
I suggest you also see the Psychology department. You seem to have too much trouble interacting with people who have stopped smoking with e-cigarettes.
It looks as if you are having trouble accepting the fact that all those years of trying to convince people to stop smoking have been for nothing.
I have a feeling this isn’t the first time you’ve been replaced by a battery operated device and it is bothering you.
As a secondary and less important note, I’ve tried to hone and sharpen my blogging skills enough over the past year to be charged with defamation of your character. Much to my own disappointment, after all the amateur research I’m able to do with a job and family, it turns out I couldn’t find that you have character. Turns out – you actually have none.
I can only hope you are held accountable for deterring smokers from trying to stop smoking with e-cigarettes.
Criminal charges are preferred.
I also want to point out, that despite your “quit or die” motto – you don’t want smokers to use these “APPROVED METHODS“ , vapers are not dying by the standards you’d like to see.
We’ll be around a bit longer to point out your lack of qualifications, irrelevance and – of course, just when you’re wrong in many aspects of your tweets and – blog…
I sincerely apologize to any truthful Scientists, Researchers and Doctors worldwide if I’ve offended them because they have earned my immense respect by doing research, and understanding the possibilities with e-cigarettes, and the ability of those wonderful people to reduce tobacco use worldwide.
Former Smoker Because Of E-Cigarettes,
Kevin.
Update. Simon retweeted this article.
What a guy.
** Added 12/11/15. Because he’s not an enemy of vaping…
My response to your BMJ Blog is here- just in case it’s “not approved”
Responsibility of a professional is less harm, Mr. Chapman.
With the faulty evidence presented, with no research on nicotine being addictive on its own (please show me that) and the fact you would much rather live in a past, create an illusion of control and authority, and pretend e-cigarettes are a gateway, and to ignore the research – is of great concern.
I read The Lung Goodbye. I was absorbed and intrigued by that. As great and insightful as it was, as a great example and a wonderful history lesson in the battle you once waged against tobacco, it also shows the tactics you’re still using against what is taking people away from tobacco today. Counterproductive.
There is responsibility in academics, is there not, to present ALL the facts? Would you as a professor, teach your students half of the facts and let them presume or assume the rest?
Science, proper research. It’s all available. Very disappointing to know your views are to cite what was rather than what is.
Citing “children” and flavors is as much an effort to gain support as it is to distract from facts. E-cigarettes take people away from tobacco by the millions.
If that fact is not acknowledged, if that a-ha moment does not come to someone in tobacco control as many years as you have been in it, then you’re more worried about your relevance than you are of tobacco use or you have other motives.
If it is “children” you would like to distract with, by all means, continue on your journey. Meanwhile, the adults will continue to take themselves away from smoking and by default, will make cigarettes slowly – almost completely away with or without you.
I hope one day, without question, you will not concede, but put forth effort to understand why they work , what can be done to make them even better, and have productive conversations about what can be done to make them even safer than they already are. Productive conversations as to advertising. Productive conversation, as opposed to working towards deterring both freedom of choice and common sense towards what seems to be the ultimate goal. Less use of combustible tobacco.
The litmus test? Do they work? Do they do less harm?
The scream test? Children and inciting doubt.
E-cigarettes worked for me, accidentally, after 30+ years of smoking. In the end, I’d much prefer a healthy engagement with anyone – including you, to make the goal of less combustible tobacco a reality by a reliable and viable choice with e-cigarettes for the smoker to turn to, where other methods have not worked.
Long-term risks and effects are still unknown according to worldwide “experts”. More dangers about e-cigarettes are sure to come out. Experts are constantly finding a new study every day. The media likes to keep the public misinformed. Some experts put their two cents in and the whole world is still confused.
If you claim there are “long term effects” of e-cigarettes and you don’t know what they are, it is probably your job to KNOW. After 10+ years of them being on the market, I appreciate you showing how you don’t know how to do your JOB.
How do e-cigarettes affect the user? What are the health implications?
Turns out, as you will see below, e-cigarette users not only decrease or eliminate smoking, they also reduce – in MANY cases,
eliminate medications they’ve been taking for various ailments for years…
Makes one wonder what all those chemicals in cigarettes do to both cause & suppress symptoms…
The very idea that there are long term issues using e-cigarettes CAN be true. Tell me how “approved” methods work again? For those of you who think e-cigarettes are just like cigarettes, please show your evidence.
Posthaste.
Question #27 was posed:
Have you increased, decreased or eliminated any medications since using an e-cigarette?
Let’s get to the anecdotal evidence, shall we?
One major think that I have noticed is that while I was smoking Tobacco Cigarettes,I used to get sick 2 to 3 times a year. In the past 2-1/2 years that I have been “Vaping”, I was only sick once!
Less medication COPD
My bp meds were reduced to lowest dose (75% lower)
Pain killers for pre-existing conditions. I attribute that to a better supply of oxygen helping to heal damaged tissue.
i use my inhailers less often now that i’m vaping and not smoking i have asthma and copd ( sorry spelling )
I don’t have to take my omeprazole for gastritis anymore
I don’t take any medications except for occasional ibuprofen for a headache.
As stated above, no more need for anti nausea meds and prescription acid reflux meds. My esophagus finally healed from all the heartburn related to smoking.
My health is going better way with my e-cigarette.
Stopped- asthma inhalers, albuterol nebulizer (stopped w Dr supervision & approval due to improvements in lung function & blood o2 levels) Stopped – anxiety meds and antinausea meds (stopped myself, didn’t need em anymore)
Unfortunately damage has already been done so I am still on asthma meds. plus beta blockers for the heart attack I suffered 8yrs ago, however, have had no angina since I started vaping.
These medications are not vaping or smoking related
I have been lucky to not need regular medication for any reason.
I have severe emphysema and since I started vaping my breathing is better. I do not cough at all. I have not had any chest or sinus infections since beginning to vape Overall my health has improved
Long term asthma inhailor. no longer in use and quick response maybe once a year…
this is not due to vaping I am a chronic pain suffer and asthmatic I used to blow a 450 to 500 now its 700 to 800 on a peek flow meter so my lungs have got better thanks to vaping
A lot less cold and sinus meds and antibiotics.
less joint pain and coughing related headaches, led to the halted use of non prescription pain relievers.
Less migraines = Less Excedrin Fewer colds/sore throats = Less Robitussin ETC
I use Ventolin inhaler. I was using it 4 to 5 times per day when I smoked. Now I use it maybe 2 or 3 times a week. Awesome!!
I no longer suffer from lung infections/bronchitis as often, causing me to no longer seek medication for it when it arises.
No allergy/ hayfever gone
Haven’t had flu or a cold since I switched. Used to get flu twice a year like clockwork – beginning and end of winter.
I was on antidepressants and found that I do not need them while on the ecig as I don’t feel so stressed.
Zantac reduced.
Reduced Cpap pressure, down to using no allergy medication
never had any health problems. I mainly quit smoking due to cost and finding out my son was starting on the same path as me.
Much less use of asthama inhalers
O don’t use my blue inhailer as much as before I quit
Have not needed my ventolin since I quit smoking and started vaping.
Do not require the use of my inhailer as often.
No more inhalers or broncitus meds
Less allergy medicine
Reduction in the usage of Salbutamol (Ventolin) inhalers as a rescue bronchodilator.
No more inhalers or blood pressure medications and I have lost 55 pounds.
Blood pressure and cholesterol meds were both reduced, and Plavix was eliminated completely (because my clogged arteries cleared up!).
discontinued two prescription drugs for respiratory/allergy issues.
When i where smoking i had the “flu” at least 4 times a year, in the 2 years gone with vaping i havent been sick once!
Cholesterol and blood pressure meds gone!
I no longer have to use inhalers
Because of other ailments not attached to smoking but because of my other problems
I have COPD from smoking cigarettes and I was on O2 at the time that I quit smoking. About a year after I started using e-cigarettes and stopped smoking I was able to get off of O2 completely.
dont have to take my stomach pills every day
no longer need cholesterol medications
no longer need allegra
I no longer use inhalers or need antibiotics for URIs.
Tylenol use has been reduced since my headaches happen less frequently. Also sinus medication like sudaphed is no longer needed.
I have high blood pressure and my medication has dropped by half.
I don’t have headaches and was able to stop taking Tylenol on a daily basis. My nerves are much calmer and my anxiety has gone down.
I’ve eliminated daily maintenance asthma meds, lessened by a lot the usage of rescue medicine, eliminated 2 GERD medications
Im almost of my anti anxiety meds
No longer have to use my asthma inhaler. The day I quit smoking is the last time I have used an inhaler and that was more than 2 years ago
I no longer have seasonal walking pneumonia that required steroids, inhalers and antibiotics.
No more blood pressure medication because my lungs are healthy enough for me to exercise regularly without respiratory issues
Did not get sick over the winter as usual
Blood pressure meds reduced
no need to use steroids, antibiotics or inhalers anymore
not on any breathing aids or anything like that but i bet i would have been if i hadn’t stopted smoking. my mother had every breathing problem under the sun, she only stoped smoking in the last 3 years of her life
I am currently offof blood pressure meds, and am not using breathing meds for COPD
anti biotics from chest infections
Using Asthma inhaler once or twice a month instead of 3 – 4 times a day
I am now permanently on high blood pressure meds – but cannot blame this on ecigs as menopause started around the same time. HBP can be a side effect of menopause.
My high blood pressure medication dosage was halved…but I lost 42 pounds.
The dependency I had on my asthma inhaler has decreased dramatically
I have stopped needing my inhailor as much
My blood pressure is now normal ( no need for pills) Blood sugar has gotten better ( no need for pills )
Not myself personally however my mom who is a chronic asthmatic and has never smoked, has started vaping and her asthma is almost completely gone. From finishing an asthma pump every week to one lasting her now a whole month!
Completed eliminated GERD medication, which I had to take almost all of my smoking career.
No more HEadaches and very rarely ever take an aspirin now.
dropped blood pressure meds
Used to get bad headaches from the carbon monoxide and took alot of aspirin but no longer
blood presure pills have gone now
I had severe sleep apnea while smoking. After two years with an ecig, i no longer have to wear a cpap.
Blood pressure is now normal. I was taken off medication to control.
I had persistent AMD when I was smoking, and had to have injections in my eyes quarterly to preserve my sight. Once I started vaping instead of smoking, my eyesight improved immediately, and I no longer needed injections.
Have not had to use antibiotics or visit the Dr. for smoker related illness in over 3 yrs. Amen, I say!
No longer take Depression Meds
dosage level of high blood pressure medicine was lowered in mg
Decongestants & cold medications were a staple. I rarely use them now. I do have allergies that make some necessary.
I haven’t needed my allergy or asthma medications as frequently due to less flare-ups of both.
I use my asthma inhaler less and sometimes I can get away with using my vape to help me breathe better in a pinch–like when I forget my inhaler at home.
I was on antibiotics about every 3 months for various respiratory infections. Have not taken them at all since starting vaping.
I have increased my consumption of OTC allergy medications. Smoking tobacco did dull my reactions to airborne allergens.
Reduced my use of asthma medications
Started on 12mg, now on 0.3mg
Hardly use my Inhaler anymore at all!
Don’t use my inhaler or nebulizers anymore
I don’t get ill as much as I did when I was smoking colds, flu etc.
No more cough medicains
Decrease in cold medication
I have reduced my need for using an inhaler for asthma.
What?
Reduced allergy medication.
I feel better in general.
Seems like long term risks & health implications are that we’re doing something right.
“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news. I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt. The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:
I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!
Can you use e-cigarettes and smoke? Why not? You can smoke and vape. In fact, I encourage it.
There’s a pendulum swaying in the media for “experts” to ride. No truth, mind you, they love speculation. What do they care, they’re gambling with YOUR lives, not theirs. The love/hate affair with tobacco and the tax revenue it brings for public health, government and organizations is pretty clear.
They are studiously defending their own infidelity by trying to find things to convince you you’re doing something wrong. Why? They’re trying to hide the clear and VERY public point of their irrelevance. That’s why they want to regulate, restrict, tax & ban e-cigarettes.
Wait….. a minute…………………
It defeated the purpose of the bill when they weren’t classified as tobacco???
They’ll dote over children, then add in flavors. They talk about gateways. “Re-normalizing” smoking. They’ll spout off about the dangers of nicotine, they love to say “anecdotal” and and on occasion they like to toss in the “dual use” factor. For sport, I suppose. They have no integrity.
To have the “approved methods” and fail is fine-try harder – but don’t be a “dual user” with e-cigarettes! “Experts” don’t want dual users?
Some quit by default, some people just still like to SMOKE. Nothing wrong with that. That’s their CHOICE. They want to allude all the way to the tax collecting bank of your possible dual use as bad, that you may as well keep smoking.
You’re finding your way. Vaping is different from smoking.
Vaping CAN replace smoking – if you find your way with the right flavor, the right nicotine strength and the right style / generation of equipment you use, awesome. If it just doesn’t work, you’re one of the approximately 2% who said that in the first survey. It’s ok. The vaping community as a whole is not going to judge you.
While you’re finding your way, please don’t listen to the “you’re a dual user, you may as well keep smoking” claims, it’s bullshit. If you do continue to smoke, PLEASE keep in mind. You are NOT a failure. I have believed all along the “approved” methods aren’t MEANT for you to succeed.
Here, unedited – from the latest survey, is what vapers have said about dual use.
The only time I dual use is because of rare severe emotional distress. Planning to get some NET liquid to see if it helps.
To me dual use is what I did in the first months of vaping. Now if I buy any cigarettes they are smoked till gone then I vape the rest of the time. I do not vape and smoke in the same day anymore – unless I run out of the cigarettes in the middle of a day.
I don’t consider an occasional slip dual use. It’s a continual fight.
I’m free!
quit smoking marlboro 3 weeks ago today. NO desire to go back
Day 1, I’m still shocked, every other NRT was an absolute failure.
Smoking one cigarette a month hardly makes me a dual user so I go with no, I don’t use tobacco products anymore.
I occasionally light up a traditional cigarette, to remind myself what it tastes like. This happens very rarely though. I also enjoy the taste of a nice vanilla cigar.
Within the past year I have smoked a total of 3 cigarettes. All of those occasions I forgot my e-cigarette home or ran out of batteries.
I have been smoke free for 1 year and 24 days.
During my time vaping I have used snus couple of times from friends but I don’t actually buy it myself or use it in major amounts, just occasionally.
I began by using vapor to replace every fifth cigarette. When that was comfortable, I replaced every fourth, and so on. After three weeks, I smoked my last tobacco cigarette and have been tobacco-free for 5.5 months and counting… even though I live with a pack-a-day smoker (he courteously smokes outside)
On occasions my liquids may run out, and i had not ordered more. At times like these i might smoke a day or two.
My dual using has mostly to do with the taste of e-cigs after eating. They taste like shit after you’ve eaten greasy food. I often have a morning cig too, since it just hits with all it’s chemicals the way ecig doesn’t. These two are my daily two “regular” cigarettes tho, everything else is covered by ecig and they do a much tastier job of it too.
sometimes when drunk
the first four days of vaping I was a dual user, at this point in time I never had a pack of cigarettes last four days I smoked two packs a day
I have friends who like to use a hookah device with flavored tobacco shisha, I use that occasionally but it isn’t even a once a month basis.
I still use snus
6 cigs in 2 years says I’ve stopped completely. That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it.
i think the other chemicals in tobacco have me in chains
Been 3 years clean and have never gone back to cigarettes
E-cigarettes helped me stopped smoking regular cigarettes all together!
I smell cigarettes now and get digusted by the smell i dont know how i ever smoked before
I now find smoking disgusting and hate the smell of it.
i vape a juice with sweet flavor, no tobacco and zero nicotine. the device is a metal box with a vapor tank, this is not smoking or a e cig.
I do not want anything to do with tobacco companies !
I know I wouldn’t have been able to quit without the use of my personal vaporizers
Again, the ecig along with Chantix did the trick for me!
Ever since making the switch to using e-cigs exclusively, I no longer have cravings of any kind for any tobacco products
I smoke when I go out drinking as it feels more social and I’m not worried about breaking or losing my mod
I can happily cope without cigarettes. And I would never touch a cig sober but sometimes my battery dies on a night out (because I stupidly forget to check how much charge is in it) and I’ll turn to smoking.
As I have said I do have the odd cigarette, but because I think ecigs are so amazing I know that in the not to distant future that cigarettes will finally at long last be a thing of the past
I have not had tobacco in over a week. I think I can finally make the switch to e-cigs
I have friends that still smoke, occasionally, when we get together, one will smell good so I will bum one from them. I’ll smoke about half, put it out, and wonder how I ever used those nasty things 16 + years.
As a matter of fact, my wife took a blood test to prove to our insurance company that she doesn’t smoke anmymore and PASSED!
I cannot stand the taste of tobacco based/flavoured eliquid, cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke.
We who have stopped smoking with an e-cigarette, some accidentally, have this enormous gratification after many years of trying all the approved methods.
We’ve been shamed, scolded, been given guilt trips, some have had health issues. Suddenly, we’ve succeeded in reducing or completely eliminating tobacco in our lives.
Suddenly, much to our surprise, without any hesitation, we’ve become empowered with knowledge. Again, accidentally in some cases.
We want others to be aware how easy for most of us it was to stop smoking. Some advocate. Some are activists. All the same to me. Turns out – some do, some don’t. Valid reasons below!
Do we relapse?
Well – Alan Beard, very eloquently I may add, just covered that here: Relapse Prevention.
I had to ask this question. I wanted to see what would come of it, and tried to make it fun.
Although I would say I’m an advocate (I’m more than happy to try an convert any smoker who crosses my path), I am unsure how to get into public advocacy, education and knowledge to help others.
Saturday, Sep 26th 3:39AM
I wouldn’t go as far as calling myself an advocate, there are many whom I will not belittle by calling myself such – many doing great work and far far more than I can hope to. Besides, I’m not very diplomatic, so dealing with stubborn nutters might end up with me stabbing someone. (Just kidding)
I do try and educate and inform wherever I can. I try and keep up with the articles on vaping in the news, and to call out the bullshit in these articles/tweets/posts/comments if applicable/neccecary. I do my best to post sources where allowed etc.
I am very much Pro-Vape and maybe a mini-advocate 😛
Tuesday, Aug 4th 7:15AM
I am constantly correcting people on their misconceptions and incorrect information that they put out there in regards to vaping. I also talk to people in regards to the difference between the two
Monday, Aug 3rd 7:17PM
Every person in my family who used to smoke, no longer does. Five vapers, all two years or more. I’m THRILLED.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:42PM
I regularly speak to mp’s about proposed regulations and what negative impact on vaping they may have. Also active on forums and Facebook vaping groups. As well as signing petitions against regulations.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM
I did had a Blog or still have, but it
has become pointless….
the only one reading them are the vapors
in my country…
All they can do is acknowledge my rants
Monday, Jul 27th 4:49PM
I’m limited on time because i work full time and have a family but i make as much noise as i can!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM
i get very protective about vaping since i am a user and i know the benefits that it has brought to me
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM
I’m not home right now in the states havn’t been for 5 years – when I get home I will be very active in my local government with vaping products.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM
Glantz! Enough said.
Friday, Jul 17th 5:01PM
I’m in dialogue with local health services and NHS about the words on their website.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM
I am still new to this, but I see that this could save millions of people from chronic illness and horrible deaths and the risk that this tremendous opportunity may be lost because of the organized efforts of special interest groups.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 10:21PM
The way I see it, people should be able to do what they want. I’ll happily tell people it’s awesome and encourage them to try mine, but I’m not going to shove it down people’s throats.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 3:08PM
Out of 15 or so people that I have educated on vaping and who have decided to start vaping, over 10 of them have quit smoking completely. And I just converted another one this week! I am also a sea lion.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 2:29PM
As I’m staying in China, I face very different issues and have only limited opportunities to get involved. On a personal level, though, I’m passively active – that means, I use flashy, high-end gear which attracts attention and educate then. If I stayed in the West, I’d get involved a lot more.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM
Amen
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM
The only thing better than becoming a non-smoker is helping another to achieve the same goal. In the current anti-vape climate that means fighting the good fight to preserve the ability of others to quit smoking in the future.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM
I have converted 3 smokers that I am aware of, and preach whenever possible.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:18PM
I’m not really actuve, but if someone makes it easier for me, i. E. Points out surveys /petitions, I’ll participate
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:03PM
sea lions need love too.. sorry had to click it, the rest is true
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:49PM
I think everyone needs to know the difference between the 2, know that they are 1000% safer, that there’s no such thing as second hand vapor and that Vaping is NOT smoking. Smoking would require Fire, steam is not fire, it’s moisture. I could go on and on.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:54PM
I used to blog, and was quite active online, but fatherhood has significantly reduced my “free” time. I very much want to be more vocal as I believe e-cigarettes have lengthened (and possible saved) my life for my son!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM
I do whatever I am able to spread proper information to whomever I am able to and to help educate everyone both smoker and non smoker.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM
LMAO….OK I have officially become a thing…Thank you for thd title?
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM
Nuff said above. Being disabled with only partial use of my legs, I can only do so much then am shot, no longer can I do the things I once did. Now the little bit of what I do do, my pain levels go into hyper super over drive and I wind up screaming like a little girl because of the pain. Is what it is, I do what I can when I can, how I can for as long as I can.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM
There’s no need to push it on anyone, but when
they ask, I inform. Many has been converted, but
I’m not here to decide for anyone.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM
To be able to help someone be successful switching to e-cig is an honor. To be a small part of their journey to success is amazing. There has never been a more successful way to stop smoking in my life.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM
I started a vaping group on Facebook!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM
I try to help in any way I can, and I get help and input from others.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM
I try to spread the word but I’m not going out of my way to do it. I help the people I know. Most won’t quit smoking until they are ready anyway.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM
I am of limited resources, but I do what I can when I can, and would like to do more, but lifestyle restrictions limit my activity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM
I condone vaping, I’m not a preacher.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM
It has become the biggest passion of my life besides my family. I have seen first hand on the devastation of what tobacco has done to my own family. I would not wish that on anyone!!
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM
key word is breathing
Friday, Jul 10th 11:48PM
I have not been involved in organized advocacy. I have signed a few petitions. My work involves advocacy and support in a different area and most of the time my effort is spent there.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM
Big supporter and believer
Friday, Jul 10th 8:34AM
I don’t force it to anyone, like vegans do to carnivores. If someone wants to know about it, I give them the information.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM
Supporter of the new nicotine alliance.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM
If some one ask or start to talk with me when I’m vaping I try to advise them. I also give them information about e-cigarettes and if I’m unavailable to give them information that they want to know I give directions where they might find more if they are intrested.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:58AM
I do like to preach to the minions when I can tell them all I can till they get sick of me
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:32AM
Not on Facebook/Twitter but on my Instagram account I am an advocate.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 7:44AM
I building my boxmods.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 3:38AM
I don’t hide the fact I vape, and if someone asks I try and educate them. I believe in “live and let live” kind of philosophy…as long as they don’t bother me, I don’t bother them.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM
I do support the efforts of others as much as I can.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM
I always try to convert smokers into vapers by positive encouragment.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 3:26PM
Perhaps I should be more involved, but I have only recently converted from cigarette (nearly 3 months) and am just finding my way through all the forum information – hence arriving at this survey.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM
well that one was an easy one, I find it hard to understand why anyone that has switched and is aware of the issues, wouldn’t advocate
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM
I dislike scaremongering and people who are collectively swayed by posts on social media which are clearly rubbish. On a personal level, the people who ask me about it, get my personal opinion which is that Vaping>Smoking. Safer, healthier (although not confirmed as healthy) etcetc
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM
lol about Big Vapor!!
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM
I have gotten into some pretty hot debates about my use of vaping. and during my battles I have been victorious. Knowledge is power and knowing the good and the bad and not being blind by either will be more beneficial to the cause.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:02AM
If people don’t hear testimonies, what’s the point of them trying to quit? They don’t have proper knowledge on hardware.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:04AM
I AM PROOF
(I really am)
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM
Only thing I dislike more than propaganda is the people that decide to believe something with no evidence
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM
Shouldn’t that be walrus… Coo coo ca choo 🙂
Saturday, Jun 27th 9:01PM
I convinced all my family (who were all smokers) about the benfits of vaping, now they all vape instead, though my old mother still smokes aswell as vapes sadly.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM
I helped run a local vape advocacy/user group for more than a year.
Saturday, Jun 27th 4:23PM
where is the one about donating money, time whatever is needed to help??
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:49PM
I believe in this product and industry so whole heartedly, that I became co-president of the Northern California chapter of SFATA, the Smoke Free Alternative Trade Association.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:30AM
Fighting the fight, living the fight. Every day. Until corrupt government and corporations stop killing us.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM
Open the window. Join us in our shoutfest.
Friday, Jun 26th 9:12PM
I’m honored to have been called a “Northern Hemisphere Vape Troll” by an Australian politician…
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM
I will be involved with the next state hearing, I’ve written letters, emails and made calls since switching to stop the incredibly irresponsible propaganda.
Thursday, Jun 25th 3:55PM
I am involved with trying to give people the correct information and I am involved in groups on line and a supporter of the nna
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM
I was much more involved at the beginning. Now, I let the others do the work.
Thursday, Jun 25th 3:41AM
NNA 4 LYFE!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:16PM
Personally assisted with the quiting of smoking of 4 other people. They are happier and healthier now.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM
Fuck Big Tobacco – I smoke on my terms, and will 99.9% of the time choose an ecig over a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM
My parents were 30+ year smokers. I got them vaping and now my mom doesn’t Vape anymore and my dad loves it. ✋
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:01AM
Not much going on locally on activism. No point in doing the MURICAN stuff as I’m not from there or living there.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 7:40AM
i was somehow evolved but became sick of all the drama
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:41AM
I do occasionally get blocked by vapers, strangely enough. They are negative or even try to block your actions. Sometimes really strange.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM
I’m signed up with CASSA
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:20AM
Fuck big tobacco!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:28AM
I could not activate the questions re order of benefits, for some reason? But My number 1 answer would be to explain the differences between vaping and smoking.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:12PM
Sadly I scream the benefits much less now, did more when first starting out. Got absolutely tired of explaining over and over how much false crap there is in articles.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:34PM
I do not involve in advocacy bcause i am quite hot blooded. I can’t stand lies, i can’t stand the way advocacy has to be done. I would probably end up in jail 😉 However, i try as much as i can to make people switch to ecig if they get interested. Explaining, lending some kind of “basic kits” to let them try without spending too much money, giving advices….and so on.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM
I have been able to explain benefits to smokers, some have made the switch but some others failed, and I not able to understand why they failed (even if I have asked, it appears that themselves they don’t really know , they have nothing to reproach to e-cigarettes…)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:26PM
It does change a life. I was heading to a slow death holding a cigarette.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 2:33PM
I am proof
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM
I advocate against the corruption and abuse of science for financial benefits not only for vaping but for smoking and other corrupted issues as well.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:42PM
While not as active as some, I am a very active, loud voice in the vaping community.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM
The local BBC radio station regard me as knowledgeable and have interviewed me on more than one occasion. (I’m also a vendor)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:04AM
I found this Survery 😉 !
CASAA
TVM
SFATA
VAV
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM
QUESTION 44… was unable to move them in order from my computer!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:37AM
If someone wants to quit, I recommend e-cigs, and a friend of mine has already quit tobacco.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM
Check our site in the Netherlands. Only just on-line. www.hiermagjedampen.nl
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:03AM
I am a seal lion? Really? Cool 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:54AM
I try to do all I can to try and get the word out.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM
President of Vapers Finland, Finnish Association of vapers
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:36AM
I did attend the damp protest in Utrecht
(Netherlands) last month.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:53AM
I am a full time advocate, a part time activist and a part time agitator with both ANTZ and other advocates. With ANTZ, this means arguing with them over their logical fallacies, exposing them as frauds. With other advocates, I explore new ideas in advocacy – I put them out there to be picked apart, refined and eventually, for others to use in advocacy.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:05AM
I have several health conditions that have very little to do with my past history of smoking and definitely nothing to do with vaping. I have MVP syndrome along with two opposite autoimmune thyroid diseases; smoking may have helped damage my thyroid, but it also allowed me to raise two boys until they got old enough to do for themselves because smoking also masks thyroid disease symptoms. I do what I can, when and where I can from an advocacy standpoint.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:32AM
I am deaf so I don’t like to go talk in person to someone regarding them. I am rather anti government and do now wish to talk to them at all as much as I know that is not right it is just my not being able to handle the stress they cause in double speak. Online I have told my story so often and very little good it does. I do a lot of comments on news items online and I use twitter as well as facebook. I keep a google+ page for the links that I think are relevant to where I live or about new science regarding vaping.
Monday, Jun 22nd 4:00PM
I am on vttv
Monday, Jun 22nd 5:48PM
I do what I can. I’m a firm believer that e-cigarettes, even if they were found simply to reduce the chances of lung and heart issues by 50% (IE they were still rather dangerous) would still be worth having over normal cigs.
The fact that seems unlikely, and that no-one has found any real, serious side effects so far (nothing that’s an absolute game stopped) just makes me more of an advocate for them.
Monday, Jun 22nd 4:01PM
Selling e-cigs I talk to people about them every day and try and educate them. I sign any petition I can, share them wherever I can.
Monday, Jun 22nd 3:00PM
Again, editorial staff 🙂 Sending correction notices to media, writing an information leaflet for politicians, the whole nine.
Monday, Jun 22nd 1:51PM
Non of my biker buddies smoke anymore due to ecigarettes. I have helped them with getting started and I’m very proud of that. It’s a real achievement for me.
Monday, Jun 22nd 2:17PM
I do as much as I can, whenever I can to make sure other smokers have the same choices I had.
Monday, Jun 22nd 2:28PM
I feel at times that what the feck are we doing here, seems like we a losing at every turn with bans popping up everywhere, but I know the importance of fighting on as the tide is very slowly turning in our favor.
The legislation IS COMING and we should try our damndest to shape this legislation to keep vaping a viable option to smoking.
Monday, Jun 22nd 8:45AM
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