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Vaping In The News – July 7th, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, snus, heat not burn, e-cigarettes, exposing tobacco control, public health, government, regulations, policies and more worldwide.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”




Can e-Cigarettes and Pharmaceutical Aids Increase Smoking Cessation? ~ Update on Deeming Rule Appeal ~ Vaping And Harm Reduction ~ ‘Real‐world’ compensatory behaviour ~ We’re not idiots ~ The Grey Miserable World of ‘Public Health’ ~ Plain Packaging & the TPD ~ Montana Proposal Punishes Lower Income Smokers ~ CASAA Tobacco 21 policy statement ~ Truth Initiative manipulates tobacco numbers ~ Are Vapes Tobacco Products? ~ How to lie, cheat, manipulate and mislead ~ Five Years ~




Can e-Cigarettes and Pharmaceutical Aids Increase Smoking Cessation and Reduce Cigarette Consumption?

Not if anyone in power and control has anything to say about it.

Can e-Cigarettes and Pharmaceutical Aids Increase Smoking Cessation and Reduce Cigarette Consumption?


Update on Deeming Rule Appeal

1. The MRTP provision violates the First Amendment
2. Notably, they are not cigarettes, as they do not contain tobacco and there is no combustion or smoke.

I’ve heard that before and before and before and…  well… I repeat myself… a lot.

Update on Deeming Rule Appeal


Vaping And Harm Reduction: Don’t Let the Perfect Be the Enemy of the Good

Because it is there.

Vaping And Harm Reduction: Don’t Let the Perfect Be the Enemy of the Good


‘Real‐world’ compensatory behaviour

You can add this to your “we don’t know enough” files…

Alan Beard wrote about this  – mentioning yours truly, and the brilliance of Norbert Zillitron, Bernd Mayer, Paul Barnes…

Before you read the titled section of ‘Real-world’, please see Alan’s blog first where VAPERS knew about it, and explained it. It took them a while to catch up… but they don’t or won’t listen to US.

From Alan Beard in 2015:

Evolving Nicotine Usage and Consequences

Now you can read their “catch-up”.

‘Real‐world’ compensatory behaviour


We are not idiots.

Erica is right.


View story at Medium.com

How Vaping could disrupt Big Tobacco’s plans in Africa

Bloomberg predicts “by 2047 there will be more sales within vaping than the traditional tobacco.

MY opinion: Worldwide tobacco use would drop to -10% in less than 10 years without doing a thing if there were NO interference, regulation, restriction, tax and ban & they left consumers alone. Not just with e-cigarettes, but snus as well.

How Vaping could disrupt Big Tobacco’s plans in Africa


The Grey Miserable World of ‘Public Health’

Dick has a way with words… and I adore that.

“The hold that ‘public health’ has over politicians is astonishing, but then it’s because politicians are weak, cowardly, and ultimately incredibly stupid”

The Grey Miserable World of ‘Public Health’


Plain Packaging & the TPD

Speaking of adoration, Paul: Facts. Do. Matter.

Plain Packaging & the TPD


Montana Proposal Punishes Lower Income Smokers

EACH time professional organizations (Yep, I’m talking to you) decide to *allow & *negotiate taxes/legislation instead of fighting them and without being clear on public record = #nicotine is not tobacco…

…without clear and extreme public objection, it (industry) is settling for years of the *definition of nicotine as tobacco being *taxed & *acceptable, and the shop owner and consumer will pay the price.

Here’s an excellent example of that from Lindsey Stroud of Heartland.org.

Montana Proposal Punishes Lower Income Smokers, Is A Disservice to Tobacco Harm Reduction


CASAA Tobacco 21 policy statement:

“Including low-risk alternatives in T21 laws is unwise, misleading”

Louder.

Outstanding.

CASAA Tobacco 21 policy statement: “Including low-risk alternatives in T21 laws is unwise, misleading”


Manipulation

On June 19th, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb stated adult smoking rates is 13.9% nationally.

On July 3rd, “Truth” Initiative put out a tweet claiming adult smoking is 17.1% nationally. I’m not sure how smoking rates went up 3.2% nationally in just two weeks but I asked my question anyway  – which will certainly be ignored.

Selective sampling…
Business plan is:

Show lowering rates to increase “we’re doing our job” and winning. Give us more money.
Show – oops – an uptick in rates – “we need to do more”. Give us more money.

Think of the children™ is required for every press release.

Deny anything. Coordinate, manipulate – and fabricate…. everything.

Tax increases at any cost…..

Covered here: Truth Initiative manipulates tobacco numbers


Are Vapes Tobacco Products?

It’s still a thing.

Are Vapes Tobacco Products? The Confused Conversation About Categorization


How to Lie, Cheat, Manipulate and Mislead

Remember Stanton Glantz‘s famous words from 1992:

“and that’s the question that I have applied to my research relating to tobacco. If this comes out the way I think, will it make a difference? And if the answer is yes, then we do it, and if the answer is I don’t know then we don’t bother. Okay? And that’s the criteria.”

This link is – more for humor and posterity on my part, and may be self-explanatory on yours… or not… because they (surely there’s manipulation with any subject matter) get the numbers, data…they get the results, and outcomes they want. Then, they give it to the public just how they would like it to be interpreted.

That, my dear readers, is why they’re so angry about Foundation for a Smoke-Free World.

How to Lie, Cheat, Manipulate and Mislead using Statistics and Graphical Displays


Five years.

This could be any vape shop. I’ve had the privelege of meeting James Jarvis here in Ohio a couple times. James and his family are celebrating their monumental 5th year anniversary in a business in which government, pharma and political front groups are trying to destroy.

Employing – from my perspective – stellar people who are instrumental in the success and are recognized for their role as a team.

James, as I hope most shop owners are, is continuing with the necessity of taking on local, state and national issues with the consumer in each thought, step, testimony, letter, phone call, rally, billboard, political meeting, education, e-mail, podcast, and all the crazy “behind the scenes” things – – – no one ever really could imagine outside the mind of a shop owner (including me) is being done…to make the world a better place.

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More you may have missed:

#LOUDER:

Vapers: Tell the FDA You’re Not Merely An Anecdote!

From Alan Beard:

“Come on everyone else (any country from anywhere) consider signing NOW”

Act now to stop the EU vape tax

Battery safety with Reddit:

Reddit: You’re gonna blow yourself up




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Can you quit smoking with patches and gums?

Quit smoking patch gum

CAN you quit smoking with patches and gums?

Are attempts with these quit smoking products successful? Can you find success rates for them? Do they work? Can you quit smoking? I’m sure there are a few who will say yes. I say it is a deceptive practice to say you can.

In fact, the practice is on the smoker with an average of THIRTY tries.

That’s right.

“Understanding that for many smokers it may take 30 or more quit attempts before being successful may assist with clinical expectations.”

Estimating the number of quit attempts it takes to quit smoking successfully in a longitudinal cohort of smokers

To quit smoking with any approved method is a challenge. Why is that?  Can you quit with Nicorette® patches and gums? I asked, not so innocently, for success rates with Nicorette® product(s). I was given an 800 number to get personalized attention.  Has anyone ever thought to ask as they were purchasing their product? I’m always asking silly rhetorical questions. It’s a hobby.


Will quitting be successful for you?

If they were as successful as commercials and graphics are intended to make you “feel” by helping people quit smoking, wouldn’t they say so immediately? Give me something, like a 94% satisfaction rate. 85% of our customers are smoke-free. Repeat the successful rates of the product to potential customers, not the success of repeat customers trying again. Fine, I’m reaching for the perverbial stars, I suppose.


I’m guessing a 7% success rate.

What are success rates for Nicorette® patches and gums? I don’t know. Nicorette® evidently doesn’t either. It is that time of year, with New Years Eve coming up, ads will be convincing you that you can succeed. Keep trying. Do your best. Their subtle guilt trip illusions are coming.

I asked  “What are the success rates with your product” directly to Nicorette®,  made by Glaxo-Smith Kline on Twitter. I didn’t think it would be a hard question.

Not that Glaxo-Smith Kline would ever do anything to deter any other method of…..


Can you quit smoking?

People spend hours looking up the reviews on the latest appliance they’re thinking about purchasing, but spend 30 seconds deciding on an “approved” method, because you know, if it isn’t an approved method, it must be (bad, dangerous, unproven, deceitful, not taxable, pharma’s idea) just plain wrong.

There are times in some smokers lives where they either choose to quit smoking, or because of various reasons, want to quit. In my instance, I switched to vaping accidentally. I had, however, tried the patches and gums years before and they just didn’t work.

I didn’t even think to ask the doctor about success rates, I assumed they worked. So does the rest of the world. I’d like to see success rates after 6 months, 1 year, heck, call me crazy, 5 years – with relapse rates. (With all that data-driven stuff people like to blab about). Implying that it works isn’t enough any more. Proof by assertion isn’t enough.

How about real world stuff… still waiting.


I’ll direct you here:

Whistleblower sues GlaxoSmithKline over nicotine product

I am guiding you to this by Amy Renshaw from Vanderbilt University:

The Real Story Behind The Nicotine Patch and Smoking Cessation

DO they work? This article stated “the most rigorous long-term study” said no”.

Mine, where, ~dare I say~ patches and gums do not work because you are not addicted to nicotine itself. You are possibly addicted to the other chemicals or chemical reactions within smoking tbacco, but nicotine “addiction” without tobacco simply does not exist. Period.


There is no data or science showing nicotine “addiction” without tobacco and MAOI’s.


It’s like I’m a mind reader… really….

In fact, (added 12/21/17)

Why Is Smoking Addictive? It’s Probably Not Just Nicotine, Despite What We’ve Been Told For Years

Then this came up 12/22/17:

Nicotine patches and medications aren’t enough to quit smoking, a study finds

Nicotine is not addictive.


I rephrased my question, at the time of publishing this blog, there was no response.

My guess is a 93% failure rate.

Don’t take my word for it.

The patches and gums “may, could, might” work. I would say percentages of success are 7%, and I’m being very optimistic with that. For your own sanity, call the company and ask them about success rates. Ask your doctor. Let me know how they respond.

Here’s one (2009) with “effectiveness”… (Thanks, Jenny!)

Effectiveness and safety of nicotine replacement therapy assisted reduction to stop smoking: systematic review and meta-analysis

One with the Patch (1993)

Effectiveness of a nicotine patch in helping people stop smoking

What about Zyban or Chantix?

Pfizer’s quit-smoking Chantix fails study in adolescent smokers


From my survey:

Taking Chances with Chantix or Zyban to Quit Smoking



One with e-cigs (Thanks, Elaine!)

EffiCiency and Safety of an eLectronic cigAreTte (ECLAT) as Tobacco Cigarettes Substitute: A Prospective 12-Month Randomized Control Design Study

Another with e-cigs (Thanks, Jenny!)

Electronic Cigarettes As a Smoking-Cessation Tool

Effectiveness of Pharmaceutical Smoking Cessation Aids (Thanks, Skip!)

“pharmaceutical aids for smoking cessation, despite strong evidence for efficacy from randomized trials, have not been effective at increasing successful quitting”

Effectiveness of Pharmaceutical Smoking Cessation Aids in a Nationally Representative Cohort of American Smokers




I don’t want Nicorette feeling singled out, I also asked Pfizer quite a while ago:


 

Added 01/01/18

Smokers Willing to Try E-Cigarettes More Successful at Smoking Less, Study Says




Ask your government, they’d tell you, because they care, that every try counts.


Speaking of timing

Here’s Carl V. Phillips with his latest timely post over at The Daily Vaper:

Science Lesson: Smoking Cessation Is Not Medical Treatment

 

You can see here what the FDA charts with all “approved” methods here:

Table Data: FDA Approved Drug



Added 2/01/2018

Easiest Way to Quit Smoking

This is pretty awesome.

Not only does this wonderful company love you as a group, they are also ready to give you their “personalized attention”.

Easiest Way to Quit Smoking


Added 6/14/2018

I didn’t know there was “preloading” of…. never mind:

No clear evidence that nicotine ‘preloading’ helps smokers to quit



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FDA launches “Every Try Counts” campaign to manipulate smokers

 

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FDA launches “Every Try Counts” campaign

Attention, smokers. The FDA launched their latest campaign to help smokers with an “adult smoking cessation education” campaign aimed at encouraging cigarette smokers to quit through messages of support called “Every Try Counts”. While the challenge will remain the same, their “tough love” approach of demonizing and shaming and nicotine guilt trips has turned into – well, a softer, kinder “positive” type of manipulation to say the same thing. Keep trying.

There seemed to be buzzwords like “stakeholders“, “medicinal” products, and “health” coupled with “technology” and “smoke-free society”. In the latest battle cry of “Every Try Counts“, there certainly seemed to be more grab-assery in the almost 2 1/2 hour Glantzian propaganda video than there was “effort” put forth by the FDA.


 

I did find e-cigarettes. The “e-cigarette” section of this campaign claiming “for now, we do not know” is difficult to find and treated like a red-headed stepchild on the naughty step (hat tip to Agent Ania who I adored and miss dearly), here.

What I know they know is in their possession all over this blog here, and here and so on.


“Every Try Counts”

In the latest smokescreen release:

“The FDA is committed to reducing tobacco-related disease and death by helping people quit combustible cigarettes and implementing comprehensive policies to reduce addiction to nicotine. Our aim is to render cigarettes minimally or non-addictive”


Stop. Do you know what a 10 Million+ Dollar commitment of comprehensive policies from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) return on investment might look like? I do.



*If any of you know of 10 million dollars being spent in a similar fashion for e-cigarettes, snus, etc., PLEASE link them in the comments.



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I couldn’t tell if this was a slip, or a tactically designed ploy by using the words “spectrum of risk” at 1:03:40 and 1:04:07 in the video….

According to “22nd Century” – “Spectrum” is the name of their product at this time)

bold is my emphasis within below:

MRTP designation

Perhaps the most immediate upside comes from the possibility of its very low nicotine cigarettes Brand A (containing 95% less nicotine compared to conventional cigarettes) to get the Modified Risk Tobacco Product (MRTP) designation.

The company would then be able to market Brand A as such, a very low nicotine cigarette which has less health risk as it reduces addiction.

An official application was made to the FDA in December last year, and a rather substantial meeting (involving no less than 22 FDA staff members and another 20 by telephone) took place within two weeks, suggesting substantial FDA interest.

This interest was already evident from the ($10M) financing by the FDA and NIDA of a landmark study using 22nd Century’s Spectrum research cigarettes that appeared in October 2015 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.

This double blind, parallel, randomized clinical trials involving 840 smokers, found that smokers of Spectrum very low nicotine cigarettes consumed far fewer cigarettes per day and doubled their quit attempts versus smokers of cigarettes with conventional nicotine content.


“Every Try Counts”

Here’s the “landmark study”:

Randomized Trial of Reduced-Nicotine Standards for Cigarettes

How will the FDA get a return on investment with this campaign? They’re in the tobacco business. They’ll sell more cigarettes and collect the tax. I predicted it in advance here, and where “expert” personalities and political front groups are on board, I covered it here.


“while encouraging the development of potentially less harmful tobacco products for adults who still want or need access to nicotine.”

Well, thanks very much.


Continued babbling

The announcement rambles on, stating:

“At the same time, we’re also taking new steps to improve access and use of FDA-approved medicinal nicotine products to help smokers quit.”

The government and experts claim “government approved methods work to help smokers” but no one brags of 93% failure rates. No one mentions false hopes choosing those options. No one mentions the methods approved by the government, fanatically promoted and shoved into smokers faces, are designed to fail.


Imagine my surprise to see political front groups such as the Heart, Lung, Truth Initiative along with CVS “pledging” resources manipulation with the FDA.

The last campaign was a $200 million dollar flop.


Every Try Counts, right before your eyes

There’s a hashtag “#MedNicotine ” entangled in the manipulation.

What Duke-Margolis is quoting from Fred Saunders of Glaxo-Smith Kline (GSK) to smokers is:

Give us a call because you’re too stupid to understand we’re not going to make a product to help you, so call us: we’ll explain how you’ll fail. These products are useless without counseling. Give us money. Do as you’re told. Use them anyway.

Fundamentally.

Fund Us Mentality.


Added 12/14/17:

The day after this blog, this comes across my eyes:

“preclinical research conducted at Duke University”

Seems “#MedNicotine” was pretty serious….

Seems “Every Try  Counts” includes “medical nicotine”.

Axsom Therapeutics Collaborates with World-Leading Nicotine Addiction Research Center for Phase 2 Trial of AXS-05 in Smoking Cessation


The FDA can’t prove nicotine addiction or gateways exist.

Without tobacco/maio’s, Nicotine is not addictive.

When will the class action law suits begin?

One more thing. I primarily tweet and blog about e-cigs, but that does not mean I am against Heat not burn, snus, and so on. In my opinion, if you’re trying, it all counts.

I saw “dip” but Swedish Snus isn’t talked about enough, either.

From Bengt Wiberg




I urge you to read what Brian Fojtik has to say:

We Don’t Need The Government To Solve Smoking Problem


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Trying to quit smoking? Patches, gums and “experts” are useless – without counseling you.

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Are you trying to quit smoking? Have you tried the patch or gum? Did you ask about the success rates when you did? Of course you didn’t. Did you have great expectations? Excellent. That’s what I experts want to hear.

If you’re afraid of trying e-cigarettes, I’m even more enthused. If you didn’t plan correctly, you’re up ten points over the others!

Let us move on quickly before you realize this is futile.


Are patches and gums useless?

Well…. of course not, unless you use them without “counseling“!

That’s also what tobacco companies wanted to hear as they welcomed you back. Also, there’s the public health “expert” sector trying to guilt and shame you, and they miss you as well.

Hang on. Steady yourself. The pharmaceutical companies – you forgot about them, didn’t you? I’ll keep the government out of this blog for time & space.


Did you plan for success?

Of course not. They know better than that.

Feeling a bit dizzy? Outstanding. It’s not your nicotine, you know –  or lack of nicotine intake making you feel that way. It’s them. Public health and organizations make you feel like insinuate you could succeed in your journey to not smoking. Then, of course, you fail.

Yep. Shame on you, too. You didn’t try hard enough! You didn’t plan!!!

Your failure? That’s what they’re counting on. It’s just around the corner.

Knock, knock.

So are your favorite cigarettes.



 

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Still didn’t plan for success?

Go on, now… make a commitment, set a date, get your choice of snake oil patches, gums or prescription medication – and once you didn’t, couldn’t or… well – failure is just a part of the process.

Don’t give up. PLAN!!!! Try again! Keep trying! Sure, the patch & gum have about a 7 % success rate, but – what do you care?

Why plan ahead? That would be silly. Half the time they give these ineffective methods away for free!!!


You will be held accountable.

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Ready?

You get ready, (nowadays, don’t forget your quit app so your friends can get in on the guilt giving sessons as well!)

Your favorite cigarette brand is waiting, your ash trays want to be dirty again.


Folks, this is 2017. Don’t you think by now there’d be a better way?

Smoke. Try to quit. Get “quit smoking aids”. Try. Fall short. Feel guilty and let them pretend to console you, but smoke again. Keep spending your money.

Nice businesses if you find the work in tobacco, public health or the pharmaceutical sectors, eh? Lack of success is their success.

Quit Attempts:

Attempts is what public health and the pharmaceuticals like. The more the merrier. Repeat business is key.

Lets take a quick peek at quit attempts:

quit attempts the vaper

 

Thank you to The Vaper for the above graphic!


What about side effects?

Public health says “ask your doctor if it’s right for you”. They never mention success rates, and you never ask.

I’ll let you ponder the side effects of the different “government approved” methods here:

Choose your method at the top here: FDA approved method.

Stunned?


What ABOUT nicotine?

Now, consider nicotine. A startling thing, nicotine. A scapegoat for all things tobacco.

Without tobacco and the MAOI’s, it is not addictive.



So, with all the fuss from some pie-filled mouth in California, (Puff-N-Stuff I affectionately call him) there’s this that inspired this impromptu blog….

Before I go stop trying to help you, I’d like to thank Gregory Conley of the American Vaping Association for this screenshot:

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This is why you’re here.

The Shady Link Between Big Tobacco and Nicotine Gum

Related:

Tobacco Industry Research on Nicotine Replacement Therapy: “If Anyone Is Going to Take Away Our Business It Should Be Us”

Oh… yeah, the counseling – like my title said…. Staying in business is hard.

The tobacco companies want to stay in business, and who can blame them. The pharmaceutical companies want to stay in business, and who could blame them?

I’ll blame tobacco control experts. Screw ’em. They know better.

Like my title said…. “experts”…are useless without patches & gum to offer. Don’t get me wrong – they mean well – they’ve got good intentions.

Don’t get me started on the Government tonight, they just want you to smoke.

Staying in business with any sense of relevance or truth, is hard.


 

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Tobacco Harm Reduction

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I didn’t quit smoking. I didn’t stop smoking. I switched to a less harmful alternative. I chose to try a “cig-a-like” and I didn’t want a cigarette within 48 hours, and my wife chose to do the same thing.

My journey was no different than most others who accidentally found an alternative to smoking that actually worked with no withdrawal and no noticeable side effects.


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After more than four years, I’ve found myself in a cesspool of adults –  specifically professionals with titles and “I love me” walls – who pretend to have no common sense.

I take that back, there are side effects to not smoking with my chosen path.

Reading. LOTS of reading.

Research. Finding answers myself.

Asking questions and “networking”. I have found that if I don’t know or understand, someone will, without fail, answer my question both truthfully and in a way I will understand.

Blogging. To get what I do learn & understand out to others who hopefully will find it – and understand it.

Twitter. Immense knowledge and reference from worldwide advocates.

Questioning.

I am constantly questioning everything I thought I knew I was told about smoking.


Tobacco Harm Reduction.

Health and government organizations don’t subscribe to tobacco harm reduction. With them, you will find cessation.

According to Merriam-Webster, “cessation” is to stop.

  1. :  a temporary or final ceasing (as of action) :  stop mutually agreed to a cessation of fighting


blame

What “organizations” and government are doing is promoting a highly profitable and repeatable business.

The vulnerability of someone with great expectations isn’t considered, it is mocked.

They wrongfully blame the consumer. They blatantly blame “nicotine“.

What they “give away” are products made by pharmaceutical companies and an air of authority, combined with an illusion of an answer to help someone stop smoking.

The reality of these methods and the failure rates is dismal and never discussed.


Entertain yourself.

Call a quitline and ask them about the success rates with the patch or gum.

quit attempts the vaper


Success?

Well, I’ll let the display of an “expert” organization speak for themselves below:

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What you do not see promoted is tobacco harm reduction.


For Life.

For the record, I am not against the patch, gum, lozenge, hypnosis, a self-help book, accupuncture, heat not burn, snus, smokeless tobacco, e-cigarettes, and other alternatives.

Only if used with extreme caution and understanding the well documented side effects, medication is also avaible to help someone choose to stop smoking.

I am, however against giving improper or bias information to those who don’t know any better and rely on “trusted” organizations, public health & government officials.

I will do this until I can’t type, call, scream, tweet or blog any longer.


Think of the possibilities.

I am a consumer. I have no ulterior motive.

I take that back, I have ulterior motive. The choice of smoker, the non-smoker and education of the consumer.

I have proudly joined the Board of Directors of THR4Life (Tobacco Harm Reduction 4 Life) along with 5 others:

Kevin Price, Lindsay Stroud, Skip Murray, Jenny Ho and David Goerlitz.

This group of individuals are strong, opinionated, intelligent and, without question, looking out for the consumer.

Join our facebook page here:

Tobacco Harm Reduction 4 Life

 


 

Tobacco Harm Reduction 4 Life is are a Public Charity 501c3 and we are Tax-Deductible for bequests, devises, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522 of the IRS.

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Nicotine Is Not Addictive.

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Nicotine is NOT addictive.

The world has been manipulated into believing that nicotine itself is addictive. It isn’t. Nicotine is not addictive.

Decades of the assertion of nicotine addiction is wrong. Millions of smokers have been lied to. Millions have believed the addictive property in cigarettes is nicotine alone by default or design.

MILLIONS have tried to “quit or die” with “approved” methods.

The assertion of nicotine “addiction” by “public health” is profitable and absurd.


Where IS the PROOF?

Is there proof of the global claim of addiction to nicotine without tobacco?

I decided to challenge that.

Nicotine Addiction: An Open 30-Day Public Health Challenge.

I asked Joe Gitchell (of Pinney & Associates) what he thought:

No one was able to produce any overwhelming evidence of addiction to nicotine without tobacco or MAOI’s.

They didn’t prove themselves right.

It also raised funds with a net total of $560.06 for ecigarette-research.org.


How Can That Be?

Hearing it for nearly three decades, the generation under 50 assumes this claim is true.

Because you’ve been led to believe force-fed information.

Propaganda.

“Tobacco and nicotine are addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.”


nicotine

Wikipedia has a link describing nicotine (in and with tobacco) as

“Nicotine is highly addictive.”

It also states “Nicotine constitutes approximately 0.6–3.0% of the dry weight of tobacco”

“This stimulant effect is a contributing factor to the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.”

Tobacco with all the other chemicals may be “addictive”, but nicotine itself is not.

Do you really believe “.06% up to 3%” is the addictive part with all the other chemicals?

This is a list of what the FDA determines to be the “other chemicals and additives” (or what they consider the “Established List”) in cigarettes.

Are there other chemicals that cause addiction in tobacco?
MAIO’s?

Are There Other Chemicals That May Contribute to Tobacco Addiction?

Here is the “Fagerström Nicotine  SMOKING Dependence Scale”

Answer the questions honestly as a smoker if you smoke or answer the questions honestly now as a “vaper” (or both).  It’ll take one minute to get your answer:

Fagerström Nicotine SMOKING Dependence Scale


Why would there be “manipulation of nicotine” if it “is” the addictive property in cigarettes:

The SECRET and SOUL of Marlboro


Nicotine is NOT addictive.


One, with half a brain might think all those additives in tobacco could be the reason for “addiction”. Well – evidently not. It must be the nicotine.

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A Nicotine Lie Is Born

In 1988, the Surgeon General released this report setting the phrase “nicotine addiction” into anti-smoking and eventually what has become “tobacco control” folklore.

By design, the anti-smoking establishment took a deep manipulative smoke-free breath in unison – and went, yeah, nicotine addiction. We can use that.

Contrived? Absolutely.

Created false nicotine theory
to manipulate smokers
into thinking they are addicted

Surgeon General's report 1988, The two other anti-tobacco experts, Neal Benowitz and Jack Henningfield were the jointly responsible scientific editors of the 639-page official Surgeon General’s Report: “Nicotine Addiction” in 1988.

According to the court documents the two experts both had solid economic cooperation on smoking cessation products with many pharmaceutical companies since the 1980s – Neal Benowitz as a professional consultant for several pharmaceutical companies that produce smoking cessation products, while Jack Henningfield earned most of his income from his own business companies which have had long-standing partnerships with Glaxo and Pfizer.

That above is here:

Anti-smoking experts paid by Big Pharma

“Lying about “nicotine” addiction becomes addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.”


Nicotine is NOT addictive.

They Couldn’t Wait To Help

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Smoking bans, laws and (bookmark alert) —> anti-smoking groups went berzerk. Patches, gums, etc. were set and soon “in place” to “help” smokers.

Public health, anti-smoking groups now tobacco control “groups” have (used) gotten away with stating nicotine addiction for DECADES, never separating tobacco or all the additives in the manufacturing process (MAOI’s) with a simple proof by assertion, the whole world “believes” very quickly, that nicotine itself, is addictive. Government goes along for the ride.


Please, Keep Smoking

When you wanted to stop smoking, you had it set in your mind via the brainwashing you’ve had most or all your life. Patch. Gum. Approved methods. You take the word of experts who should know better, run to the local drug store or supermart and load up on essentially useless products.

The world of anti-tobacco, pharmaceuticals and government, by design deception, have manipulated public opinion.

Remember above?

“Tobacco and nicotine are addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.”

Proof by assertion:

Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction. Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).

There are stats to show how well poorly the patch and gum are helping folks stop smoking at a whopping 93% failure rate here.

Profits from nicotine replacement “therapies” are addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.


Nicotine is NOT addictive.

An Addiction To Revenue

Nicotine gum was around in 1967, but commercially available in 1978.

The nicotine patch came on the market in 1992

The Tobacco Companies Were Right

Shortly thereafter, in 1994, the tobacco companies were put on the spot, in my opinion, to look like villains – to make the public record look as if they were lying, and make the pharmaceutical companies much more profitable.


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Wouldn’t most or all of us, if “addicted” to nicotine alone, have

  • Smoked more and more cigarettes every day to increase our “nicotine” levels?
  • Continually use higher MG patches going up instead of “stepping down”?
  • Chewed copious amounts of nicotine gum until our cheeks exploded?
  • Become “junkies”, gone on crime sprees and lived on the streets?
  • Seen a huge worldwide black market for nicotine gum & patches?

Nicotine is NOT addictive.

Willful Manipulation And Deception

“Experts” willfully, with malice, have the answer – and give you what you’re supposedly addicted to, to help you become free from your addiction.

That, my friend, is business 101 charlatanism defined.

I’ll let you ponder that as I keep typing.

The phrase “nicotine addiction” became profitable by the 1990’s.

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From This:  (Bookmark alert) Big Drugs Nicotine War

“Keeping people smoking by saying replacement “therapies” work is “as addictive as alcohol, cocaine, and heroin”.


Nicotine is NOT addictive.

An Addiction To Lying

ALWAYS referring to tobacco, never without. An alleged expert in her field.


The more you fail at an addiction you don’t have, the more job security there will be.


Nicotine is NOT addictive.

An addiction to “funding”:

(Added 10/01/17)

Organizations claim “free” help. How much does “free” cost?

Losing money:

Sales of Nicotine Patches and Gums Slow as More Smokers Turn to E-Cigarettes to Quit

Losing money:

Smoking Cessation Nicotine De Addiction Products Market to Record a Sluggish CAGR of12.3% by 2025

 


If “Nicotine IS Addictive”

Here’s an example of an alleged “expert” using misdirection.

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Then – there’s a contradiction. It either IS addictive or it is not.

There’s no “depends”. It makes “experts” look assertive, but uneducated.

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To presume, assume, portray and assert the “fact” that nicotine itself is THE addictive ingredient in tobacco is unsubstantiated, contrived and incorrect.

I’ve asked for proof of addiction to nicotine without tobacco. Repeatedly. Replies were either completely ignored, or amusing to some extent.

Without proof that nicotine itself “IS” addictive, it’s not as easy an answer to – lie about.

I looked. Asked politely, and sometimes not so politely. Then I looked some more.

Facebook. Emails.

Becoming a pain in the ass, I’ve asked “important people”. I’ve asked wannabe’s with PhD’s, top experts on addiction.

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“Tobacco control – experts – “, T.V. doctors, the Centers for Disease Control, The Food & Drug Administration, the Surgeon General and even asked Pfizer & Johnson & Johnson on Twitter. I wanted anyone to show proof that – without tobacco – nicotine “is” addictive.

I’ve asked the Lung, Heart, Cancer and other organizations like the American Medical Association. You name it, I’ve asked.

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Not one could produce evidence to show addiction without using tobacco or MAOI’s.

They all say use those approved “cessation” methods.

Imagine my surprise.


Nicotine is NOT addictive.

Multi-Billion Dollar Lies

I asked Mr. Zercher of 22nd Century. According to his Twitter account, he is

“VP BD @_xxiicentury (cig w less nicotine than a tomato? yep), fmr head of #americanspiritcigarettes.”

wrong

He’s done research (funded by the FDA). Surely, with the progress and innovation of creating a cigarette with “less nicotine than a tomato”, he’s done some research. He of all people – he’s got answers.

See, he’s got a cigarette with less nicotine in it. That tells me he’s got evidence that nicotine is the addictive property in tobacco, not the tobacco.

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I covered his portion of the multi-billion dollar, global industry (that I’m still waiting to prove me wrong) here:

22nd Century

I’m also still waiting for you to find it, Mr. Zercher.

Convincing smokers that nicotine is addictive is a multi-billion dollar global lie.


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What I could find

Before the challenge was proposed publicly, I did some homework. Hell, I’ve been doing homework for 3+ years. To really scour the world for addiction to nicotine without tobacco was a task.

Once I published the challenge, I expected to be bombarded with studies, data, science and proof that nicotine, without tobacco – IS addictive. Instead, I was expectedly told to “change the criteria”. Huh.

Why? If it IS addictive – after all these years – where is the data?


With no real assistance or help from the “experts”, I found the following on my own:

This one, with my favorite word “can” and of 18 people, does not show addiction.

Nicotine reinforcement in never-smokers.

Read the title twice before you click this next one….

Three Decades of High-Dose Nicotine Gum Dependence Treated With Nicotine Patches.

A survey (unacceptable for the purpose of the challenge) showing less than one percent.

Addiction to the nicotine gum in never smokers

Added 9/1/17

(***Thank you** to Coral Gartner)

Patterns of over-the-counter nicotine gum use: persistent use and concurrent smoking.

Added 9/1/17

(***Thank you** to Coral Gartner)

A comparison of the abuse liability and dependence potential of nicotine patch, gum, spray, and inhaler.

Added 9/1/17

(***Thank you** to Coral Gartner)

Nicotine Pharmacology (with tobacco)

I found this as well:

Nicotine self-administration

This is a paywall: (1985)

Physical Dependence on Nicotine in Gum A Placebo Substitution Trial

And “Effects of withdrawal from long-term nicotine gum use” – Psychol Med 1985;15:891-893

Effects of withdrawal from long-term nicotine gum use

Really. With all the “as addictive” claims, why are there so few “sort of” references?

Because nicotine addiction doesn’t exist.

Added 5/12/17:

This one – claims the scientific evidence… but…. seems to reinforce a whole lot of nothing except the assertion…

The scientific case that nicotine is addictive.

Added 5/31/17

This cannot possibly apply to nicotine as a discrete substance even when delivered in a cigarette. The problem with a regular intake of nicotine in a cigarette is all the collateral damage caused by smoking.

Via Harry Shapiro:

Nicotine in the News – 29 May


WHY IS THIS DISMISSED?

Finally, ignored since 2011, Hanan Frenk and Reuven Dar submitted this to the Harm Reduction Journal:

We show that the nicotine addiction model presented in this chapter, which closely resembles its 22 years old predecessor, could only be sustained by systematically ignoring all contradictory evidence.

Their link is here:

If the data contradict the theory, throw out the data: Nicotine addiction in the 2010 report of the Surgeon General


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Final thoughts.

To question this topic has brought understandably varied levels of criticism among peers, and dismissal due to the assertion of addiction by some professionals without separating tobacco from the equation. I was asked repeatedly to change the criteria.

In giving advice on smoking cessation, the perception of being addicted to “nicotine” itself, then suggesting a “step-down method” with nicotine products is a questionable at best.

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Blaming smokers for “not trying hard enough” and telling them it takes many tries is no longer acceptable.

If it were the nicotine itself, not the tobacco, chemicals and maoi’s introduced to enhance tobacco, there would be merit for these products for cessation.

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“NRT” and cessation devices do not work. Public health and the manufacturers have known this all along and gone along with the illusion. Nicotine Replacement “therapies” are like any other homeopathic or snake oil remedy.

If you are an expert, please – feel free to comment on this blog and prove addiction to nicotine without tobacco.

This is now a perpetual challenge. I’ll wait.


Here’s a list of other valuable resources added as they are found.

The FDA themselves say:

“although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence.

Withholding differential risk information on legal consumer nicotine/tobacco products: The public health ethics of health information quarantines

IS Nicotine Addictive?

All You Need To Know About Nicotine

Belief about Nicotine Modulates Subjective Craving and Insula Activity in Deprived Smokers.

Belief about nicotine content in cigarettes can curb cravings

A Good Side To Nicotine

Nicotine – the basics

Why Is Smoking Addictive? It’s Probably Not Just Nicotine, Despite What We’ve Been Told For Years

How much nicotine kills a human?

Do smokers self-administer pure nicotine? A review of the evidence.

Endovasc develops slow release nicotine liposome for angiogenesis: Growing new blood vessels around blocked arteries

What medical ‘experts’ hide: Nicotine does NOT cause cancer

Nicotine is not valid proof of smoking.

Nicotine as Therapy

A review of relative risk perceptions across smokeless tobacco, e-cigarettes, nicotine replacement therapy and combustible cigarettes.

Diminishing Dependency

Does Nicotine Cause Vasoconstriction?

Nicotine, The Wonder Drug?

The myth of nicotine addiction

Why You Should Use Nicotine (And Why You Wont Become Addicted)

Nicotine and e-cigarettes: Rethinking addiction in the context of reduced harm

List Of Nicotine Articles / Chris Price (ecigarette-politics.com)

Is Everything We’ve Been Told About Nicotine Wrong?

Nicotine treatment of mild cognitive impairment

Dependence on tobacco and nicotine

Research in Review: Nicotine addiction studied at ETSU

Do additives make tobacco more addictive?

What Does Nicotine Do To Your Body? The answer might surprise you…

Monoamine Oxidase Inhibition Dramatically Increases the Motivation to Self-Administer Nicotine in Rats

Role of dopamine in the behavioural actions of nicotine related to addiction.

Is Nicotine Bad? 28 Proven Health Effects of Nicotine

Titration Theories

Dispelling Myths about Nicotine Replacement Therapy

Nicotine and networks: Potential for enhancement of mood and cognition in late-life depression

Which Is More Addictive, Coffee or Nicotine? If You’re Asking, You Can’t Understand the Answer

 

“Clinically, very few users of NRT become dependent on it”…. page 53.

From the Royal College of Physicians: (PDF Dropbox)

Brian L. Carter

Father Jack:


This crossed my eye for reference.

Tolerance, Dependence, Addiction: What’s the Difference?


Addicted to Fraud? Health Care Industry Forced to Return Nearly $2 Billion to Taxpayers Under False Claims Act


Added 5/10/17

Speaking of fraud:

Censorship of addiction research is an abuse of science


Added 5/16/17

I can’t make this stuff up.

“The research, published today (Tuesday 16 May) in the journal Scientific Reports, adds to the Chittka lab’s understanding of how bees – insects with a brain no bigger than a pinhead – can perform complex tasks.”

Nicotine enhances bees’ activity


Added 5/17/17

That study is here:

Attrition during a randomized controlled trial of reduced nicotine content cigarettes as a proxy for understanding acceptability of nicotine product standards

 


Added 8/23/17:

Brad Rodu:

Negligible Evidence of Radical Nicotine Reduction Benefit

Mine:

The FDA can’t prove nicotine addiction or gateways exist.Lowering nicotine in cigarettes is a gateway to smoking

I decided to email the UCSF college to find “nicotine in humans” in their files. They responded very nicely and referred me to PubMed.

By telling me to put in

Nicotine Addiction (or whatever you’re searching) and adding

( NOT mouse NOT Cigar, etcetera) like below to find anything on human addiction to nicotine, I still got nothing.

Seven items did come up… but…after all that, there was no nicotine addiction, in humans.

I slowly added NOT and the next word, like cigar – or alcohol…. or rat…Huh.

Nice tip and lesson learned.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Human+Nicotine+addictive+addiction+NOT+tobacco+NOT+mao+NOT+smoking+NOT+smoke+NOT+rat+NOT+Mouse+NOT+Mice+NOT+Snus+NOT+Cigarette+NOT+cigar+Not+Dopamine+NOT+Smokers+NOT+alcohol+NOT+drugs


Added 8/30/17

 

Smokers’ understandings of addiction to nicotine and tobacco: A systematic review and interpretive synthesis of quantitative and qualitative research

Added 9/1/17

Here’s a train wreck waiting to happen when “experts” misconstrue tobacco with nicotine:

Cardiovascular Toxicity of Nicotine: Implications for Electronic Cigarette Use

 

Added 9/9/17

Nicotine – The Zombie Antidote

Saw this in a Facebook group I belong to  – from 2012.  An excellent perspective from Gabriela Segura, M.D:

“My aim here is to defend the rights of people who choose to smoke. It may surprise you to know that, while the percentage of the population that smokes has declined in recent years (due to government propaganda), the incidence of heart disease has not declined. The reason, shock! horror! is that smoking is not the real problem to begin with!”

Nicotine – The Zombie Antidote


Added 9/15/17

GOROKH | A Case for Nicotine Use

Added 9/20/17

Don’t let the title fool you…

Science is conclusive: Tobacco increases work capacity

Added 9/21/17

Why Is Smoking Addictive? It’s Probably Not Just Nicotine, Despite What We’ve Been Told For Years


Added 9/23/17

“This site was written by a healthcare writer and edited by the former editor of MayoClinic.com as a public service to help smokers make informed decisions”

It also has a section on e-cigarettes.

The Nicotine patch. the facts and advice from real people.


Added 9/29/17

“De-Addiction”

This is more like “de-addiction” to their revenue……….and they don’t LIKE it.

I LOVE it when the disruption is SO blatant and clear… and it’s in print.

Pfft… “de-addiction”…

“This has resulted into implementation of regulations and legislations for drugs and electronic cigarettes, which will further curb growth of the market in North America.”

Smoking Cessation Nicotine De Addiction Products Market to Record a Sluggish CAGR of12.3% by 2025


Added 10/04/2017

Imagine my surprise, when I’m told nicotine content ranges MUCH higher than in cigarettes….that after a “four-year study” that had

“taken a multidisciplinary approach that includes experimental animal models and a range of human studies that examine tobacco product appeal, addictiveness, and toxicity.”

Studies showed low abuse liability for snus

Research Tools to Inform FDA Regulation of Snus


Added 10/18/17

Warning: Nicotine Seriously Improves Health



ADDED 12/25/2017

I’ve got some AMAZING people and organizations I am connected with around the world. This link was shared with me by the New Nicotine Alliance AU. I don’t understand it all, but I get that “nicotine alone” (does) not enhance addiction…. Without tobacco…… or MAOI’s…..

Bold is my emphasis:

Discussion:

The main finding of our study is that nicotine needs the association with an irreversible and non-selective MAOI to induce the same neurochemical modifications as those observed with compounds belonging to the main groups of drugs of abuse (i.e., amphetamine, cocaine, morphine, or alcohol) (Salomon et al., 2006; Lanteri et al., 2008). Moreover, although repeated injections of nicotine alone do not enhance the hyperlocomotor effects of amphetamine or PCA, tranylcypromine pretreatment allows nicotine to induce a robust and persistent cross-sensitization to these two drugs.

Added 01/30/18

“The commercial importance of the ‘’dependence to nicotine’’ dogma”

“This change of heart should normally create the effect of a bomb”

Fagerström Finds His Way To Damascus



Added02/01/2018

“… authors of the study…….envision their work could lead to new non-addictive, nicotine-based treatments for some of the 51 million people worldwide who suffer from the disease.”

Nicotine normalizes brain activity deficits that are key to schizophrenia


Added 3/01/2018

“Some e-cigarette users were dependent on nicotine-containing e-cigarettes, but these products were less addictive than tobacco cigarettes. E-cigarettes may be as or less addictive than nicotine gums, which themselves are not very addictive.”

That’s here:

Dependence levels in users of electronic cigarettes, nicotine gums and tobacco cigarettes

Also:

Is it possible (Quora Answer)


Added 4/04/18

Nicotine “addiction”

“The effects of nicotine on the brain are similar to those of sugar, salt, exercise, and other harmless substances and events”

“There are so many findings that conflict so starkly with the view that nicotine is addictive that it increasingly appears that adhering to the nicotine addiction thesis is only defensible on extra-scientific grounds.”

Short version:

Nicotine as an Addictive Substance: A Critical Examination of the Basic Concepts and Empirical Evidence

Full version:

Full version is here.


Tobacco Alternative Gums Market: Sales Volume, Revenue and Growth Rate Forecast

The usual suspects:

“One of the important growth factors for the global tobacco alternative gums market is the increasing price of cigarettes.”

Tobacco Alternative Gums Market: Sales Volume, Revenue and Growth Rate Forecast


Finally, Clive Bates:

Rethinking nicotine – a quiz


Added 5/19/2018:

Milk is not beef, syrup is not wood, barlay and hops is not beer and

“Nicotine might be extracted from tobacco, but not made from it.”

Schrodinger’s Nicotine: Not Derived From Tobacco

Added 6/25/2018:

Click on their link, then a PDF is within:

Are e-cigarettes tobacco products?

Added 6/21/2018

Science

The FDA claims nicotine is tobacco. These people do not.

“notably that e-cigarettes do not contain tobacco or generate side-stream emissions…”

Characterisation of the Spatial and Temporal Dispersion Differences between Exhaled e-cigarette mist and Cigarette Smoke.

Nicotine Resources:

Resources:

International Network of Nicotine Consumer Organizations: INNCO

Nicotine Science And Policy

New Nicotine Alliance

Global Forum On Nicotine


Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:

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Helping Smokers Quit

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Imagine a business you can operate at full capacity by providing a valuable product and “service” to millions of customers with no restraint on inventory, no liability and carry a “non” or “not for profit” status.

Imagine a business with no worries about profit or loss – and the money keeps coming in. As a bonus, you can carry this on for more than 50 years and brag about it.


Imagine a business that is funded by those you are trying supposed to help. Imagine if your business could get away with shaming your customers for failing with your product or service.

You could offer ineffective tips keeping your status as a caring and upstanding business in the community. Wouldn’t that be fun?


Keep trying!

Don’t give up!

We’re here to help!

Imagine calling a trained expert THIRTY times.

Is that acceptable?

Smokers may try to quit 30 times before it sticks


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Supply & Demand

Imagine how failure on the customers part  creates opportunity for more business. Promoting almost useless products you don’t pay for is not only fun, but keeps you, and the supplier in business. They’ll keep coming back. You know the failure rate is 93%, and knowing why is not your concern.

Use the term “cessation” a lot because it sounds soothing. In contrast, I suggest focusing on something with at least three syllables so it is ominous and scary sounding – like nicotine – because it sounds evil.

Remember, you have no accountability or responsibility for success in the eye of the public. You just have to look like you’re trying.

  • Be realistic. Don’t talk about of tobacco control out of church.
  • As much as possible, try to influence policy as much as you can.
  • In fact, success would be detrimental to your survival, always elude to an exit strategy.

Keep Success To A Minimum

Imagine your success. Stay focused. Your success is paramount, not your customers. Customer success is of no concern. In fact, it’s widely acceptable to shame customers and convince them that their failure is not your responsiblity. Play on their desperation, not satisfaction. Ultimately, hold your customers accountable. Confuse and bewilder them. That’s the plan.

Feign support, but encourage. Make it perfectly clear that the customer is the problem, not your business. Convince them to keep trying.

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Passive-Aggressive Is Best

Imagine your staying power. Make it clear that they are the problem, not your business. Place the failure on the consumer, and promote your business as if it has helped millions, helping you. Failure is not only acceptable, it is expected. Join other businesses like you to keep momentum.


Don’t Give Up

Imagine if smokers could succeed. Ignore and damn any methods that work, despite the evidence, as it would be detrimental to your survival. In fact, only support any other method if they are taxed, regulated and funded in such a way that will only contribute to your success.

Leave your ineffective products and services alone. At any cost including lies, use children (because who doesn’t like to Think About The Children™).

Convince the public via mass marketing that it is ultimately safer to keep smoking than to risk using any product not approved by you, or your affiliates.

Always seem concerned or challenged by any less harmful alternative.


Reminder

Remember, you must restrain yourself. Never, under any circumstances, talk about any effective alternatives that may risk your reputation or your business. Ever.

 

money-counter

 

Imagine a business that would go bankrupt if it did what it was designed to do.

Help people stop smoking.


I didn’t know there was “preloading” of…. never mind:

No clear evidence that nicotine ‘preloading’ helps smokers to quit


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E-Cigarettes: A Tobacco Harm Reduction Assessment

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Have you heard of a tobacco harm reduction assessment? Do you want to know if your “quit smoking” advice is sound? Do you believe you’re truly sincere about reducing tobacco use for Americans? Don’t you want to know you’re doing all you can? I certainly do.

I’ve devised this quick and easy interactive tool below for anyone in public health or tobacco control to assess the choices (and more) seen above for tobacco harm reduction, and your views.


Click on the link below, then click on your – or your association’s most likely “answer” you’d give to someone inquiring about switching to e-cigarettes in a phone call or in person.

Don’t be afraid.

E-cigarettes: A Tobacco Harm Reduction Assessment Tool


How’d you do?

Are you employing vigorous tobacco harm reduction methods to clients? I don’t believe you. Are you using a Strategy or Tragedy?

I wonder what those around you are thinking. Those people calling and asking questions? They’re going to figure this out eventually. There are millions of us. We’re getting louder and more pissed off with every single lie told. I’m tired of America settling for less.

If you’re a smoker, use this. Don’t be afraid of their answers.

“When tobacco use decreases, less smoking occurs.”

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Regulate. Restrict. Tax. Ban. Taxing E-Cigarettes Like Tobacco.


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The all powerful, all knowing Offices of Management And Budget have the distinct decision of deeming regulations over e-cigarettes.

“Budget”.  Well. What does THAT have to do with e-cigarettes and the country? What does that have to do with the FDA (I thought they were the “authority”) and deeming regulations?

It’s about health, right? It’s about children, right?


If you DON’T know what I’m babbling about, you need to brush up on your information overload by going HERE to CASAA, and HERE immediately afterwards. You don’t even have to read this blog.


Regulate:

gov

1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc

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regulations

Restrict:

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1. to confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity.

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 restrict

Tax:

tax3
1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.

verb (used with object)

3. to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.).

  1. to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved.

4. to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one’s resources.

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UntitledWAIT!  NEVER MIND! We disassociated ourselves from that bill!

TAXES were taken out of it!

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Now it does no good?

I thought it was about YOUTH!

Public HEALTH!

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Guess NOT!

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Ban:

ban

1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:

2. the act of prohibiting by law; interdiction.


They can’t BAN them. Well…. lean closer to your screen. Countries already have.

Regulations, restrictions, taxes & bans are world WIDE. Here, and HERE.


According to the World Health Associations Margaret Chan, at W.H.O. – this organization does NOT like ecigs, but likes regulations of them ….

W.H.O., HOWEVER DOES like money. It’s a win-win solution!

WHOTAX


 

This, was added 12/12/15 by me from the much admired Brainy Furball.
This isn’t just the United States. This is worldwide.
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Speaking of MARGARET Chan

More from Robert Innes:

When Collusion Is Profitable For Parties – All Six of Them!


I certainly do not believe they will “ban” them in the United States. They have had since 2009 to stew on this. They’ve had PLENTY of time to “deem” them tobacco.

THEN, they have the wording so they can TAX them like tobacco. I’ll get back to that in a minute.

See Steve and his timeline of e-cigarettes in the United States


See, at first, they were probably thought of as a novel idea. E-cigarettes weren’t a threat.

As they evolved into 2nd & 3rd generation styles, they were making a huge dent in cash flow.

Disrupting many aspects of cash flow.


Noticeable in 2000, Pharmaceutical companies feel it –  see smoking cessation aids sales drop.

Pharmaceutical Companies are really feeling it in 2014 in this article:

Nicotine patch, gum sales drop with rise of electronic cigarettes

As E-cigarette sales rose E-cigarette Sales Rising 


Tobacco Companies were going down in 2011… and still are as of September of last year, according to Business Insider:

Watch The US Slowly But Surely Become A Nation Of Nonsmokers


Well.

This is exciting, Kevin. There must be more! IS there more?

I’m glad you asked that !

I’m not sure who said “e-cigs are disruptive”, but – here, take a break – read Chris Price’s view on e-cigarettes as a disruptive technology.


11/18 update:

Stanton Glantz… and his submission to the world of the FDA is here.


 

Guess who else is pissed about disrupting their cash flow?

Organizations. Lots of them. They depend on lots and lots of funding to sustain themselves. Grants. Automatic payments. Money.

E-cigarettes are taking that away. They don’t like that.

How convenient.


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Finally, the United States Government – and other tax collecting entities. Ever notice when you bought a pack of smokes how the sign may say “cigarettes sold at state minimum”?  No? Me either.



This does not help the Government – to lose all this money. Pharmaceutical companies are calling their “friendly” senators.

frankpallone

leno


Evidently, the group ASCAN

American Cancer Society Action Network –

already knows Congress actually works for them – not “the people”.

ugh



Upstanding *cough, cough*  “Tobacco Control” *cough –  experts are also involved.

They want what’s best for us.

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And the Government, all by itself, is caving in.

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The Government is missing their money.

They want it taxed like tobacco.

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They NEED e-cigarettes regulated

as TOBACCO. So they can TAX it.

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It is NOT tobacco.


But that is what they want it to be.

It won’t include their FRIENDS

“APPROVED” nicotine products that we’ve tried

and for the most part, DON’T WORK.


Those products are derived from magical unicorn farts, not tobacco.

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If you’ve read this far – remember

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.


I need you to be ANGRY.


Support the organizations on this blog. Talk to people. CALL your congress/senators.

Write, email. hold up signs.

Call your media friends if you have any. Get the support of your doctors, schools, YELL.

Educate anyone you CAN.

TELL them this is about children having family members NO LONGER using tobacco.


TELL THEM this IS about HEALTH.


TELL them e-cigarettes take us AWAY from smoking.


TELL THEM it is NOT about NICOTINE.


We need a SWIFT and abrupt UPROAR worldwide.



Get mad. They’re taxing you because they miss their money.

It’s not even DEEMED tobacco, and it’s already happening in the United States.


You need to be ANGRY.


Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.


Stop ACCEPTING what is not true or real.

Nicotine is NOT TOBACCO. They want it deemed tobacco

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for loss of revenue they thought would LAST FOREVER. 

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E-Cigarettes are NOT acceptable to be part of their PONZI SCHEME.

WE stopped smoking. They WANT us to stop smoking. Now they don’t like that.

Less smoking, less revenue. It’s a PONZI scheme.


A documentary is coming, and not soon enough – (no rush, guys & gals) 🙂

about all of this:

A Billion Lives


Recommended reading:

How Wall Street Tobacco Deals Left States With Billions in Toxic Debt

Vaping Claimed First Victim One Year Ago

Tax Hikers Focused On 2016 Election

New CDC Data – More than 9 MILLION Adults Vape Regularly In The United States

Vaping For Tax Freedom

Burdensome vaping regulation about revenue, not health

DC budget would extend 70 percent tobacco tax to vapor products, e-cigarettes

Increased Tobacco Taxes Are Not the Answer

Mine:

Taxing Thoughts, A Ponzi Scheme.

Please Keep Smoking! Plausible Deniability, An Incestuous Relationship.

Without Integrity: Tobacco Harm Reduction In The U.S.A.

Lying Bastards


Some on the survey mentioned black market. Some proclaimed they’d do it themselves.
The only concern I’d have with that is – what about the current smokers who don’t know how or are afraid?
What will they do if e-cigarettes as we know them today with all generations – are considered illegal?
What about THIS lady?

Here are comments

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”

from the latest survey, unedited on question #41:

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco I believe:

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”


I make my own juice and would continue. I have a 20 year supply of nicotine in my freezer.
Friday, Oct 9th 10:52AM

One point, there would be less motivation, not no motivation. Because e-cigs have more to offer.
Thursday, Oct 8th 5:13PM

With no incentive to switch over why would they?
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM

it would be a heinous grievance against an entire community to make this change at this point in the game
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 2:03PM

That would be the worst thing you could do; limit the availability by keeping it out of a person’s financial reach.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM

There would be a huge black market. I do not foresee myself paying taxes on my ejuice. lol.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM

Other quit smoking products are not taxed, at least not in Sweden or Estonia, to tax e-cigarette liquids would be insane.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM

If they ban or regulate them to be as expencive as gums and pathes, the are making a huge mistake, a crime to public health.
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM

The cost savings was the biggest stimulation to try e-cigs.
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM

Apart from the obvious fact there is no legal reason to tax as tobacco, it would reduce the likely hood of some people trying them. As prices would be ridiculous it would also kill most of the industry that is already in place.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM

Ecigs will just become less appealing to new users, people established will find a way around anything, there will be a new black market to exploit.
Saturday, Aug 8th 7:53AM

Understand the patches, gum and inhalers are over the counter now and greatly reduced in price. The FDA a few yrs ago announced that there was no harm in nicotine useage from these products. Other than monetary gain for pharma companies, I can’t figure out why the fed and state gov’s would ban/restrict the use of vaping…..Except that individuals might be influenced with “donations”.
Thursday, Aug 6th 2:59AM

I would not have a problem, worst comes to the worst ill not use nicotine, and just mix my own as i do now!
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:25AM

It would be like the main goal of tobacco companies and the government would be money not my or anyone else’s health. This includes non-smokers because as a smoker they will inhale bad stuff, even if it’s 3rd hand smoke — which as a smoker they can get from my hair, clothes, home, car, etc. even if they are never ever around me while I actually smoke.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM

I make my own juice so that better not get more expencive!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM


There would definitely be less motivation for smokers to try them. Money and health were the two reasons I tried them. It would be completely irresponsible to tax them at the same rate.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM

It might slow down the Vaping movement, but it would continue to grow. A Giant Black Market would arise.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM

I have the right to make choices about my health. I choose to vape and to be tobacco- and smoke-free.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM

I think e-cigs should be taxed like any other product, but NOT like tobacco. Tobacco is taxed heavily because of the healthcare costs smoking produces. Vaping is not that dangerous, so it shouldn’t be taxed like tobacco.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:25PM

I can still afford it and would still vape, but it might easily deter others.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM

Criminal, but probably inevitable
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM

Not sure how the could justify taxing e cigarettes or e liquids. Other than vat
If e liquids where heavily taxed then more people would start diy mixing which in my opinion could be more dangerous if not knowledgable.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM

A lot of time, saving money is a big factor for quitting cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM

If they tax it, it wont affect me because i mix my own… Mother fukka’s are so gready!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM

if the taxes become outrageous then no new person is gonna bother trying and if the choices are limited then vaping will be no more successful than the patch or gum 🙁
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM

I am against any tax on e-cigarettes, it already costs to much for most people especially the ones that have moved from regular to e-cigs because they could no longer afford regular cigs.
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM

As a machinist, I can make my own mech mods and attys. I build my own attys, I don’t use regulated power supplies, and I make my own juice. They can’t hurt me… but they can certainly have a negative effect on others, both new and experienced.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:50PM

they are in no way, shape, or form – tobacco, stop trying to tax them as such!
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM

It will be a sad sad day when this happens. The biggest fear I have is government taking away what has clearly saved my life.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:15AM

the goverments want controll for the money it rakes in they just want their greedy little mitts on it. i think alot of people would go back to smoking, thats not good
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM

Politicians refuse to let a source of revenue lie dormant, peoples health is secondary
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM

I’ll make my own coils, my own juice – not going to tax me to hell and back.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM

I dont think taxes would stop people from vaping. I would not stop. But it will just weaken vaping and make it a bit less attractive, especially for new vapers.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM

black market, nuff said.
big tobacco and their croneys can GFTS!!
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM

I see no need to tax ecigarettes. We pay sales tax on this stuff, isn’t that enough for the state? It’s not my fault if the states depend on funds from a source that kills it’s consumers and needs to find money elsewhere now that they are earning less revenue do to people making a healthy switch. We should be rewarded for switching to vape since it’s a healthier alternative, not punished.
Saturday, Jul 18th 2:46PM

If the flavors are restricted or taken away, I wouldn’t be able to keep vaping. I’ve tried different tobacco flavors…even the tobacco flavor made by Marlboro…they all taste bad, even the menthol.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM

It would also create a huge black market of which i would be going to.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM

Motivation is multifactorial. I was actually motivated to buy my first ecig to replace the nicotine while I had a rabid ex-smoker in the house working for me. Once I tried it I felt I could use it to give up smoking for health. Money was never a motivation for me. “Is it cheaper” is usually the first question people ask me so it’s obviously a factor for most people.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM

I hope it will be recognized as the help people need to quit smoking and NOT taxed.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 12:23PM

A black market could develop
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM

Of course, it wouldn’t result in people not trying e-cigarettes at all, just because they’re not cheaper than tobacco anymore. That’s not the point. But it would increase the threshold for people to “just give it a try and see if it works”. If, at the time, a pack of cigarettes was 5 EUR and that eGo-T kit would have been 10 EUR, I might have hesitated to just give it a try. It might be a good idea to tax nicotine concentrate a bit more, so people have some incentive to drop their nicotine consumption or go down to 0mg – after all, a caffeine addiction is still an addiction, too.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM

i will import my goods meaning the UK will lose out on VAT.
Monday, Jul 13th 7:29PM

It would be criminal.
Monday, Jul 13th 5:24PM

They are NOT a tobacco product…so they should not be taxed as such
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM

There is absolutely no justification for treating vaping products the same as tobacco products.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:56PM

Taxes on tobacco were to offset the health care cost, vaping should be encouraged to help rid all of their need for tobacco
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM

Dear politicians, do NOT regulate it into a black market. I, however already have my black market sources set up. We ex-smokers ain’t playin’!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM

The e-cig users I know would never go back to tobacco – even with a tax on e-cigs. I would complain about the tax but would never go back to cigarettes.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:50AM

It would increase costs for no good reason, assuming they aren’t made with tobacco.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM

The fact that they are less expensive in the long run, combined with the fact that there is a big expense at the start, encouraging commitment to trying to stay with them instead of going back when it gets hard, makes e-cigarettes more likely to help smokers quit smoking for good. They should not be taxed like cigarettes are.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:33AM

Vaping is not smoking. Vaping is the solution to the problem of smoking.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM

i think its mainly a matter of principles and semantics. foodies generally arent bulimic, it doesnt mean the same thing so why should they be put in the same basket? I am not a smoker anymore so why should I be opressed as one? yes, i said opressed. that being said im not an economy analyst
Monday, Jul 13th 8:45AM

everything that we as people like get taxed on everything ,if they tax us on vaping equipment lots of people would not try and probably never quit ,I find that disgraceful
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM

People in the e-cig industry already regulate their own products to a much higher standard than most other industries..
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM

it would be the government wanting money to make up for there loss no better than drug dealers
Monday, Jul 13th 5:56AM

Trying to make vaping less accessible irresponsible, dangerous and will cost lives.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM

I am fairly confident I will never go back to cigarettes. They are disgusting.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:08AM

Never going back
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:27PM

How do you tax something as tobacco when there is no tobacco in it? Do they tax lighters and ashtrays like tobacco? Do they tax nicotine patches and gums like tobacco?
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM

Some tax will be involved it’s the American way, but should Never be treated the same…
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM

they should be taxed and regulated to an extent tobacco taxs are out of the question
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:32PM

If/when the e-cig industry gets taxed at the same level as the tobacco industry, you will see less motivation for borderline smokers/vapers to switch to vaping, in their minds it would be like; Why bother to smoke and vape, its gonna cost me about the same either way, I liked smoking, I’m gonna go back to smoking. Another thing I think you will see is the vape industry go underground, black market kinda thing. Online sales with little to no regulation what so ever will be the way to go. With some of the larger vendors become even larger and richer, and some of the smaller and mid size companies will expand and get larger as well. All the rest, the small fry will either get bought up by the other vendors, or will simply go out of business. It is scary to think that the politicians have the e-cig industry by the short and curlies, for what reason? GREED plain and simple.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM

We are not using tobacco and vaporizers and eliquid should not be controlled and taxed the way tobacco is. Smoking cigarettes is deadly. Vaping is not.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:17PM

Small vape shops would not survive the costs.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM

I hope when regulations come and tax the products, they consider the fact most of our industry is comprised of businesses with 10 people or less. Please regulate us as such, we are not a giant corporation.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM

Its probably gonna happen
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:55PM

This question should be split. Taxed=it would be totally unfair to vapers. Regulated=it would protect vapers.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:23PM

I might go back to smoking because of the price … or go black market with health risks
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:39PM

How is punishing someone for choosing a healthier
lifestyle sane?
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM

The prices would say rocket and people wouldn’t be able to afford it. If am item that is $120 and say gets taxed 70% like Washington DC the price goes up to $205 and that’s just the tax let alone what the shop needs to make a profit so like $230 alot of people including my self can’t afford that.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:54AM

Those in charge would lower the percentage of niccotine in eliqiud , and we would be stuck with those silly cigarrete look a like e-cigs!
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:31AM

This is the only strategy that will get the government away from criticizing the industry.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM

I believe that the regulations for the E-cig industry will tower over the tobacco, in that there are over 4100 hazardous chemicals, 57 of them are known cancer causers in each puff of a cigarette. There is no comparison between the 2.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM

There will become a black market for them.
Sunday, Jul 12th 8:21AM

It would destroy the industry and hurt countless people!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM

Vaping saves lives compared to tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:01AM

Money is one of the big motivating factors, I believe.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM

taxing like cigarettes would drive people back to smoking as prices would be crazy high as they are its not a cheep alternative now
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM

Taxing and regulating e-cigarettes the same as combustable tobacco products while keeping those on the market would result in people who could otherwise switch not doing so. Ultimately that would be detrimental to public health. Some people cannot or do not want to abstain from nicotine, and as adults should have the right to determine for themselves the form they wish to take their nicotine. However, those forms which are less harmful, or perceived to be less harmful to the individual user should be encouraged by less taxation and fewer regulations than combustible products with known health effects.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM

This would be a public health travesty.
Epic stupidity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:58PM

I don’t believe it should be regulated or taxed as a tobacco because it is not. Comparing apples to oranges…
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM

if they made if so I cannot purchase the ingredients I need, like nicotine to make my ejuice. I would probably just go to zero nic. But MANY people would return to smoking. If I could not make zero nic ejuice I would probably fall into smoking rapidly.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM

just be a dangerous health question
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM

Which would suit big tobacco and big pharmaceutical companies producing patches and gum for us all to rely on them.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM

could become cost prohibitive.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:07PM

The cost is often the first carrot to tempt people to make the switch, and any impediment to getting people to stop using traditional tobacco products is a very, very bad idea (except for Big Tobacco).
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:07AM

I would just by juice in parts and mix my own
Saturday, Jul 11th 4:21AM

This is about me not smoking cigarettes, not about taxes, if the government taxed e cigarettes I would be very disappointed , that would make a tax look like a tax grab not about a choice of the lessor of 2 evils.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM

Would make me hate tobacco and government even more. Astonishing how the greatest cause of preventable death in the world is still legal and on the market. People have voting power and the more people that take side with the viability of PV’s, the more influence there will be to prevent this from happening.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM

No matter what I’ll will not go back to tobacco , if I had to I would just completely quit it all , just have to replace my time with exercise , painting. Let’s see them tax that !!
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:59AM

I would still vape
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM

There are smokers and there are vapers seldom do I see both
Friday, Jul 10th 10:42PM

It is not tobacco.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM

You cannot just pick up an ecig and vape. There is so much you need to learn to work the equipment properly and find a taste that you enjoy and a nicotine level that you need. Vape shops need to be able to explain various products they have. People need to be able to sample the e-liquid before they buy or they will just be wasting money on things that don’t work and just stick to smoking because it is so much easier.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:48PM

It will open the doors to subpar ejuices and mock mods, tanks accessories, black market. No one wants toxic chems in their ejuice, no one wants sub par Mods, tanks.
Friday, Jul 10th 3:04PM

There´s allways a choise not to pay too much. Though it would ruin business locally (the few left, most of them allready went abroad)
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM

While many of us (myself included) would continue to vape regardless (because we are capable of DIY building everything necessary from devices, to vaporizers, to e-liquids) this would stop thousands or more from being able to successfully kick the smoking habit!
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:22PM

If categorized as a tobacco product, people may think they are just as harmful. Also, the fact that ecigs are much cheaper is a huge factor in people deciding to try them, and ultimately quit cigarettes all together.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 12:12PM

Vaping is not a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:33AM

It would be an unconscionable effort by the government to recoup lost revenues from the cigarette taxes that they have profited from to date. History will reveal the great lies and deceit of the tobacco vilification of our semi recent political climate regarding tobacco use, and the huge government profits gained by this slanted social agenda.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:22PM

I wouldn’t be going back to smoking but it would effect those who currently smoke.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM

I think regulation would be better for safety, but taxing like tobacco would be bad.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:37PM

I would start mixing my own e liquid and buy hardware from overseas or from ‘vaping underground’
Monday, Jul 6th 9:57AM

Doesn’t bear thinking about.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM

Make your own E juice it’s easier then most people think.
Saturday, Jul 4th 4:45PM

And obviously – the only people to gain from this is the government.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 11:58PM

In countries where sale of e-liquids containing nicotine, this would in effect legalize those liquids. This of course means, that the regulation is not completely skewed to not reflect the amounts people use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM

There would be less motivation for smokers to try them. Many vapers would go back to smoking. It would be likely for the emergence of a ‘black market’ with products really dangerous to public health similar to the trade in illicit alcohol.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM

Regulation also has the issue that it would basically kill all the BETTER devices, mods, atomizers etc. and cig-a-likes would invade the markets which almost everyone knows are not effective / satisfying at all. Also one of the main things compared to smoking has always been SAVING MONEY while having some “bad habbit”. Taxing and regulation would make everything much more expensive than what it is and would also kill smaller businesses and give e-cigarette industry to tobacco companies who have the money.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:43PM

One of the reasons i switched over to vaping is that its a LOT cheaper than smoking( atleast in Finland). Roughly 5€ a pack of smokes, 1 pack a day is 150€ a month. I ordered liquids that i mix myself, cost roughly 80€, and it lasts me 4-6 months.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 10:29AM

No proven harm = NO SIN TAX. They can tax it when they calculate harm and tax-payer burden in financial terms, but it should also reflect the savings/reduction in harm from cigarette use. A decrease in sin tax revenue from tobacco is NOT a reason to tax as they are supposed to be collected to cover associated social costs of cigarette use, which would drop along with cigarette use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 9:07AM

…and cause many many more people to die unnecessarily from tobacco related illnesses.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:22AM

Vaping is a safer form of smoking and most definitely prolongs people’s well-being should they switch to vaping over tobacco, therefore should not be taxed
Monday, Jun 29th 4:42PM

Taxation already exists in the form of VAT on purchases. If taxation is increased I will shop more from abroad to avoid paying the UK Government monies I do not believe are justifiable.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM

I don’t think I would go back, but I would probably look at untaxed sources
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM

Flavours and nic strength wouldn’t be such a choice either. Not to mention finding a device for each individual.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM

It would be likely to reduce access to non-smokers wanting to vape. That being said, this is a low number of people who it would affect.
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM

They should NOT be taxed – end of.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM

Sales tax alone is income to the government, sales that otherwise would not be there. Anything more is just government greed and abuse of governmental authority and power. There should not even BE a “sin tax”. Furthermore overtaxing will destroy the industry and put it firmly in the hands of Big Tobacco.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM

#1. Some people will always smoke cigarettes.
#2. It depends on how high the tax is. If it is
less than cigarettes we have a chance at
introducing them to smokers to save money (and
improve their health)
#3 If the tax is comparable to cigarettes, then
we approach the smoker on change of lifestyle,
improved health, better living environment,
etc.
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM

Very sad day.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM

Some teens have a passing interest in e-cigarettes, but are far more interested in smoking. One of the biggest draws is saving money over smoking – health is a far second.
Sunday, Jun 28th 8:24AM

In the UK we pay VAT on vaping anyaway so there is no real need to tax.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:12AM

I would find a black market
Sunday, Jun 28th 7:00AM

While I would never smoke tobacco again, I know many who aren’t far enough along the quitting process and would revert to smoking.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:36AM

I think the government wants use to smoke as they get a lot of money from smokers. I am sad to say that but I think it is true.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:01AM

I’m one of the few people that enjoy saying, “I don’t know” when asked something I don’t know the answer to
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM

If e-cigarettes are taxed and regulated the same way tobacco is, this would cause a lot of small businesses to be shut down because they wouldn’t be able to afford the measures needed to meet these absurd regulations, or they would have to upcharge their products so much that it would be MORE expensive than cigarettes. This would put an end to innovative vaping technologies, creative thinking, and ultimately drive vapers back to smoking!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:23PM

ofcourse, tax it, and I’ll buy tax free online internationally thankyou very much, but if vaping was made to cost anything close to the price of smoking, it would be a complete disaster, it would give smokers no real motivation to vape vs smoke.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM

It wouldn’t effect me because I DIY.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:02PM

This is where the government needs to be locked out!
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:28PM

My shop would close the day after that tax went into effect.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:22PM

It would be a crime! People deserve the chance and it isn’t tobacco so don’t tax it like it is. Part of quitting tobacco was to save me money.
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:05PM

Taxed like Tobacco would deter people from wanting to try it because they’re paying the same tax on vapor products as they would cigarettes.. At that point it would only come down to the people who would really want to stop, and need the alternative.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:46PM

This is perhaps the biggest concern I have right now. I want to see anyone who wants to try e-cigs to have the chance!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM

Price is driving a good deal of my business. Taxes will hurt.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:27PM

I originally tried it because I wanted to save money. I really had no expectation of quitting since nothing I’ve tried had worked. If they cost the same as tobacco cigarettes, less people may be inclined to try them. I quit over a year ago and the only reason I’m not saving ugh money is because it has become a hobby collecting gear and new devices.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:37PM

Taxation would mean more people keeping on smoking and not trying egigs
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:33PM

It would lessen the incentive for tobacco users to switch to vaping
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:55AM

nothing would change except pricing
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:13AM

And it would be illegal in France to tax them as tobacco or even near.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM

It would deter new people to vaping, but to those of us that are experienced it wont. How are you going to tax pg vg and flavor? It is really easy to make, coils wick and all. That’s what’s driving everyone insane. They can tax the disposables, but no one buys them now anyway.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:27AM

I am lucky, I can make mods, atties and juice. Most will not have this luxury.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:49AM

It would seriously harm vaping and could destroy it.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM

I would stop vaping and I wouldn’t use any tobacco products.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:40AM

It can already be inaccessible financially, I feel further taxation, particularly in the ranges I’ve seen proposed, would be downright discriminatory to lower income individuals.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM

I’d be pissed off!
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:00AM

we will make a black market,no thanks on your tax..
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:32AM

I personally would try to find a black market solution to avoid pointless taxation and stealth vape in public places.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:21PM

Primarily, the majority of folks that would still vape are those that have truly experienced how bad smoking can harm the body.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:33PM

I think it would have to be fairly draconian for me to consider going back to smoking. Will undoubtedly slow take up and discourage switching though, which would be a big fail for public health.
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM

I can make literally everything I need myself, except for the nicotine extract. If it’s taxed to hell, I’ll just be planning semi-annual trips to Mexico.
Just sayin’.
Friday, Jun 26th 1:43AM

I won’t be going back to smoking
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM

It depends on the regulations set. If it was controlled by the cigarette industry I really do not know what I would do.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM

If you treat it like tobacco it will have a stigma of tobacco this may put people off from trying also as money sometimes can be a factor taxing it would also not help it should be treated as a consumer product with some regulations ie 18 age restriction with support of health officials as a way of stopping using tobacco
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM

The government only cares about your tax money and will do whatever it takes to get it. The health argument is just a political goto strategy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:28PM

I would learn to make my own ejuice!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:29PM

stupidest decision on the planet
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:09PM

it will assist with closing local shops. And I wll not buy online, so therefore could push me back to smoking tobacco
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM

Flavourings are used in food as well and would be very hard to tax, nicotine and vg/pg would be hard to tax as well and can be stored in freezers for years to come.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM

People will continue to smoke, even if ecigs were being given away.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:29PM

SIN TAX OK
CIGARETTE TYPE TAX NOT OK
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:49PM

To treat e-cig users as smokers, and e-cig products as tobacco products, infringes on our rights. It is ignorant and dishonest. it makes me question the people who have been elected into power and the industries pulling their strings.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM

Taxed or regulated as tobacco, would be seen as “being the same as tobacco” – even though vaping CLEARLY is not smoking.
The same as banning people to walk around in public with water bottles, since no one can tell if its really water in that bottle, or maybe vodka/gin?
There has to be an incentive to switch to vaping – other than improving health. Harm reduction and harm reversal seems to be the main goals of switching, and the most smokers are low-middle income people, that really wants to save a penny and get on with a life not chained to smoking cigarettes. If tobacco/vaping were to be taxed and regulated even stricter, with higher prices – that would only benefit the big companies and the governments … the smokers/vapers would still buy the products (liquids/e-vapes/cigarettes) even if the price went skyhigh, and the rest of the family (the children) will be left to pay the ultimate sacrifice: What ever money is left, after the vaping/smoking products has been bought, is what is left for food, clothes a.s.o.
Tobacco/vaping gear are “BARE NECESSITIES” – or “need to have” – food and clothes will (by smokers) be seen as “nice to have”.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:48AM

My circle of novice users and I will continue vaping because we have a large amount of private stock to last us for 10 years or more. Everyone should do that. someone who Taxes a healthier alternative over tobacco does not earn respect and should never win.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM

Personally, I will NOT go back to smoking tobacco, whatever the law is. If necessary, I’ll become a criminal – after being a good citizen for almost 50 years.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:31AM

in my country it would be twice as expensive as
smoking is so it will be harder to get people to
switch over to the amazing world of vaping sadly
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:10AM

Governments would also be attaching their revenues to a variable source which their motivation is to see diminish. This is the very definition of fiscal insanity and must be resisted, not for the health of the vaping industry but for the health of the population as a whole.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM

cost is always a factor but if they cost the same I would still use my vape rather than smoking because it has allowed me to ween off nicotine
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:49PM

for myself, i don’t care. I build my own coils, i can DIY for my liquid to avoid taxes. But it will prevent some smokers from trying and that’s a shame.
Unfortunatly, Taxes may be the only thing that will make governments support the ecig. If they can get their money from the ecig, as much as with the regular ones, and with less health issues….believe me, if this happens, you will see a bunch of officials and media praising the holy ecig…
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM

I believe I would totally quit. We are taxed to death now.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28PM

The states would reap the profits the small store would close and people will go back to tobacco use because it will be cheaper.( i can guarantee that) people will be dying from smoking more and more. This is not the right answer
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24PM

You can’t regulate something like tobacco if there isn’t tobacco in it.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:27PM

..in Canada to classify a product as something that it is not, for the purpose of regulation/taxation.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:23AM

For me, my e-cig is a health product, why would they tax something that’s saving them spending money to treat me for health issues?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM

If ecigs are treated the same as tobacco, it will deter smokers from switching. If it comes to the point that ecigs are no longer available or so expensive I couldn’t afford them, I’d go straight to the black market without any guilt whatsoever.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM

Treatments for disease (tobacco addiction) should not be taxed. Sin tax was placed on tobacco to offset the healthcare costs. There is no evidence that vaping causes any harm to health or increased cost to healthcare. If anything reducing smoking reduces health consequences. We should be handing vapes out in hospitals & healthcare facilities
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:00PM

Just like when cigarette taxes increased and we saw an increase of tobacco trafficking, we will see the industry move underground. And probably with a lot more success than tobacco ever had, as it’s not that difficult to do much of this stuff yourself.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM

Before I started vaping I was spending 500$ or more a month between the wife and myself. After starting vaping its half that per month, however, I do splurge on new mods 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:32AM

They say smoking costs the NHS a lot of funds over the years, so are taxed to help cover those funds, yet people that vape are now not using the service for smoking related illnesses, which in the long term should see less having to be spent because of people having a healthier lifestyle?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:57AM

If e-cigarettes were taxed, I would be pissed-off, but I would still use them (and start hunting for good deals online!)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:07AM

So stupid to tax it. But we all know its coming.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM

Again MONEY is the primary objective. Big Tobacco and Pharmacuticals have lost aLOT of money due to less revenue by individuals choosing to VAPE. It is a BRUTAL shame that many (IF taxed/regulated) a smoker may never try vaping for THAT reason. I may spend more now stockpiling but in the long run, it will pay for itself! Would I go back to smoking – NO, I’ve been on the other side too long. I have stocked up on a multitude of supplies.
Never will I give my funds to do harm t my body and honestly the thought of the taste of burning tobacco … bleck !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM

If E cigarettes are regulated the same as tobacco products then we may as well sick a fork in my eye as there is no hope and the world has gone mad!
oh i know lets regulate something to the point its impossible for users to have a decent vape then tax it and encourage converting back to killer cigarettes costing the nhs a fortune stupid f@*ked up world.
Sarcasm!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:16AM

I believe the government does not care one
bit about our health. It’s all about the tax.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:07AM

Vaping should be encouraged, and for those that need help affording this technology, the money raised from smokers for smoking should be made available to any smoker who wishes to quit smoking in any manner.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:48AM

ecigs will eventually become the norm for nicotine delivery!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:47AM

There is no reason to tax like cigarettes, that is just a money grubbing tactic by the government because so many people are quitting they are losing money. Some states states are going to be in it deep when they need to start paying off the tobacco settlement money bonds.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28AM

Would make it just as expensive and therefore less viable choice for quitting.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM

People with health awareness could still prefer vaping no matter the cost.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:20AM

taxation will not effect me unless it’s at a ridiculous rate
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:58AM

It would be criminal and the worst decision ever made by trying to gain money from a health product.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM

This is why I learned to wrap and wick coils, and to make my own e-liquid. The government can stuff their taxes in any orifice they feel appropriate. 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:57AM

I would sue the government, and seek criminal charges.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:54AM

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco, I believe the government who passes that legislation has effectively murdered millions of people.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:33AM

It depends on how extensive the taxing was and how much the prices would go up. But yes any taxing would make it less accessible and more likely to deter people from trying.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:22AM

It would be a stupid thing to do as one of the main reasons for taxing tobacco is to deter users due to the danger.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:33AM

MEDIA, you’re NEXT.


Research on ECIGS is well published and available  HERE and HERE

Medical Professionals are HERE


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Dual Use. E-Cigarettes & Smoking. Shut UP Already.

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Dual Use. E-cigarettes & Smoking.

Can you use e-cigarettes and smoke? Why not? You can smoke and vape. In fact, I encourage it.

There’s a pendulum swaying in the media for “experts” to ride. No truth, mind you, they love speculation. What do they care, they’re gambling with YOUR lives, not theirs. The love/hate affair with tobacco and the tax revenue it brings for public health, government and organizations is pretty clear.

They are studiously defending their own infidelity by trying to find things to convince you you’re doing something wrong. Why? They’re trying to hide the clear and VERY public point of their irrelevance.  That’s why they want to regulate, restrict, tax & ban e-cigarettes.

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Wait….. a minute…………………

It defeated the purpose of the bill when they weren’t classified as tobacco???

….. read that again…

They are a bunch of lying bastards.

Stings, doesn’t it?

(They are now)


 Tobacco Control

Over 50 years of tobacco control hasn’t done what e-cigarettes are doing. They don’t like that kind of attention. They have agendas.

They’ll dote over children, then add in flavors. They talk about gateways. “Re-normalizing” smoking. They’ll spout off about the dangers of nicotine, they love to say “anecdotal” and and on occasion they like to toss in the “dual use” factor. For sport, I suppose. They have no integrity.


To have the “approved methods” and fail is fine-try harder – but don’t be a “dual user” with e-cigarettes! “Experts” don’t want dual users?

TOO BAD.
So WHAT.

Shut UP already!

Leave us ALONE.


From the Hungarian Situation Report.

deathsquote hungarian situation


Some quit by default, some people just still like to SMOKE. Nothing wrong with that. That’s their CHOICE. They want to allude all the way to the tax collecting bank of your possible dual use as bad, that you may as well keep smoking.

(That keeps their revenue coming in.)

 


Dual Use:

In my view, is one of two things.

  1. You use both tobacco AND e-cigarettes because you like both and don’t want to stop your tobacco use.
  2. You haven’t found your “taste” and “strength” yet and until you do, will use both.

That’s it. There’s no “evil” of doing both. In fact, I encourage it for new vapers. Why?

 

It HELPS them!

 


You’re finding your way. Vaping is different from smoking.

Vaping CAN replace smoking – if you find your way with the right flavor, the right nicotine strength and the right style / generation of equipment you use, awesome. If it just doesn’t work, you’re one of the approximately 2% who said that in the first survey. It’s ok. The vaping community as a whole is not going to judge you.

Tobacco control experts may continue to scold you, though!


What’s wrong with dual use?

While you’re finding your way, please don’t listen to the “you’re a dual user, you may as well keep smoking” claims, it’s bullshit. If you do continue to smoke, PLEASE keep in mind. You are NOT a failure. I have believed all along the “approved” methods aren’t MEANT for you to succeed.

The Real Story Behind the Nicotine Patch and Smoking Cessation


Dual use in my surveys

In the first survey, I asked about dual use of e-cigarettes & smoking.

The first had 12%. In the second, I asked the same question.

Guess what, 12%.

In two separate surveys.


Does that mean I’m right? Well –  I’m asking vapers.

Who CARES?

The “experts” care, I suppose. Reducing smoking in any way should be the goal – if that were their GOAL.

They want you to “quit or die”.

quitdie


Nicotine Policy has their say here:

New research shows electronic cigarettes better for quitting, than no aid; over the counter NRT worse than no aid

Here, via Medical Press:

Switching from conventional to electronic cigarettes reduced toxicant exposure, even for dual users

Michael Siegel on Dual Use:

Important New Study Documents that Dual Use is Not a Negative Consequence of E-Cigarette Use, But a Positive One


Here, unedited – from the latest survey, is what vapers have said about dual use.

dual use graph

 

The only time I dual use is because of rare severe emotional distress. Planning to get some NET liquid to see if it helps.


To me dual use is what I did in the first months of vaping. Now if I buy any cigarettes they are smoked till gone then I vape the rest of the time. I do not vape and smoke in the same day anymore – unless I run out of the cigarettes in the middle of a day.


I don’t consider an occasional slip dual use. It’s a continual fight.


I’m free!


quit smoking marlboro 3 weeks ago today. NO desire to go back


Day 1, I’m still shocked, every other NRT was an absolute failure.


Smoking one cigarette a month hardly makes me a dual user so I go with no, I don’t use tobacco products anymore.


I occasionally light up a traditional cigarette, to remind myself what it tastes like. This happens very rarely though. I also enjoy the taste of a nice vanilla cigar.


Within the past year I have smoked a total of 3 cigarettes. All of those occasions I forgot my e-cigarette home or ran out of batteries.


I have been smoke free for 1 year and 24 days.


During my time vaping I have used snus couple of times from friends but I don’t actually buy it myself or use it in major amounts, just occasionally.


I began by using vapor to replace every fifth cigarette. When that was comfortable, I replaced every fourth, and so on. After three weeks, I smoked my last tobacco cigarette and have been tobacco-free for 5.5 months and counting… even though I live with a pack-a-day smoker (he courteously smokes outside)


On occasions my liquids may run out, and i had not ordered more. At times like these i might smoke a day or two.


My dual using has mostly to do with the taste of e-cigs after eating. They taste like shit after you’ve eaten greasy food. I often have a morning cig too, since it just hits with all it’s chemicals the way ecig doesn’t. These two are my daily two “regular” cigarettes tho, everything else is covered by ecig and they do a much tastier job of it too.


sometimes when drunk


the first four days of vaping I was a dual user, at this point in time I never had a pack of cigarettes last four days I smoked two packs a day


I have friends who like to use a hookah device with flavored tobacco shisha, I use that occasionally but it isn’t even a once a month basis.


I still use snus


6 cigs in 2 years says I’ve stopped completely. That’s my answer and I’m sticking to it.



i think the other chemicals in tobacco have me in chains


Been 3 years clean and have never gone back to cigarettes


E-cigarettes helped me stopped smoking regular cigarettes all together!


I smell cigarettes now and get digusted by the smell i dont know how i ever smoked before


I now find smoking disgusting and hate the smell of it.


i vape a juice with sweet flavor, no tobacco and zero nicotine. the device is a metal box with a vapor tank, this is not smoking or a e cig.


I do not want anything to do with tobacco companies !


I know I wouldn’t have been able to quit without the use of my personal vaporizers


Again, the ecig along with Chantix did the trick for me!


Ever since making the switch to using e-cigs exclusively, I no longer have cravings of any kind for any tobacco products


I smoke when I go out drinking as it feels more social and I’m not worried about breaking or losing my mod


I can happily cope without cigarettes. And I would never touch a cig sober but sometimes my battery dies on a night out (because I stupidly forget to check how much charge is in it) and I’ll turn to smoking.


As I have said I do have the odd cigarette, but because I think ecigs are so amazing I know that in the not to distant future that cigarettes will finally at long last be a thing of the past


I have not had tobacco in over a week. I think I can finally make the switch to e-cigs


I have friends that still smoke, occasionally, when we get together, one will smell good so I will bum one from them. I’ll smoke about half, put it out, and wonder how I ever used those nasty things 16 + years.


As a matter of fact, my wife took a blood test to prove to our insurance company that she doesn’t smoke anmymore and PASSED!


 

I cannot stand the taste of tobacco based/flavoured eliquid, cannot stand the smell of tobacco smoke.




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Here is what they said on the 1st survey about dual use


E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


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Keep ON #Vaping On.

 

Kevin.