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What a week. There was a ruckus. Allow me to try to describe the ruckus.
10 September:
Gazillionaire Bloomberg announced he was spending spare change found around in a cup holder in his car $160M on an initiative with Tobacco-Free Kids to ban flavored e-cigarettes.
Mutual Admiration Society [MAS] member and World Health Association (WHO) useless idiot “Director General” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus — pissed all over himself applauded the effort to ban flavors.
11 September:
Then, President Trump meets with Health & Human Services puppet Alex Azar found here and here. Azar proudly left the meeting announcing he will be “finalizing policies that will clear flavored e-cigarettes from the market”. He reiterated it again here.
This opportunity didn’t go to waste. This was a well-timedadvantage by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to capitalize on deaths in the U.S…. a bit of momentum.
After all, this wasn’t about products that are used daily by millions who have switched to a less harmful product. This was about illegal black market Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing products that use similar devices as vaping products.
Funny, ha-ha, because on September 9th, the FDAthemselves had already released this statement.
So most of these vaping illnesses are coming from black-market THC products, but the solution is to make *legal* vaping products *less* available? Driving more people to said market?
How has such an obviously illogical narrative become the prevalent one?
What was that ruckus about? Manipulation. The opening presented itself, and “public health” wasted no time to nail a spike through advocates hearts, strengthening their effort to shut down an industry who’s goal is affording smokers choice and opportunity of a less harmful product.
The truth does come out – this, in fact, is illegal black market products they should’ve been focusing on – but it’s too little, too late for some. But there is more to this.
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Then
Trump – for some reason, changed his mind – and tweeted it. Not completely, remember – Azar was “finalizing”… meaning those plans were already in process.
Either way, a much #louder ruckus I and others have tried to figure out how to create for years, Years, YEARS, has reared its pent-up frustrated ugly head nationally – and done some good. In the process, it created a momentum of its own.
Your tweets and phone calls to President Trump are making an impact!
President Trump, adult consumers want access to a wide variety of vaping products. HHS and CDC leadership are guiding you in the wrong direction. All they care about is prohibition. #VapeBanhttps://t.co/WilVd2u8A4
I can’t find a direct link to the statement(s), but saw calls to the White House opposing this decision overwhelmed the switchboard with wait times and busy signals.
Sounds like a much better strategy. Even more importantly, keep children from SMOKING. It MUST be acknowledged that the increase in e-cigarette popularity among youth has been accompanied by the (almost) elimination of smoking!
is making everyone aware of New Jersey… and another circle is complete with a fresh voice, a sharp eye, and inquisitive, educational spirit. I needed to see that.
Along with Cherry, Michael McGrady is reporting about
What I witnessed were spectacular moments over the past week. I saw a shift in the “vaping community”. I saw what seems like the largest national momentum by industry and consumers I’ve never seen. Lets keep that up. This battle is FAR from over.
There are people from the industry going to Washington this coming week. I am confident they are beyond adequately skilled to voice the professional position(s) of their members.
Here’s a thought
If you aren’t supporting one idea, support another. It is, after all, your choice. If you don’t think something is being done “right”, be inspired to create something better.
You can call the White House at 1-202-456-1414.
An idea from Bill Tarling: Snail mail. What if everyone reading this blog spent 10 minutes and .55 cents – and mailed a letter to the White House in opposition to a ban. Imagine being inundated with thousands of letters? You can’t delete paper.
Just to keep it fresh in the President’s mind.:
The White House
Attention: President Donald J. Trump
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500.
Oh, and there’s a consumer driven march on Washington being planned as I type. United Vapers Alliance. More is coming on that.
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I found myself viewing this last night – with Paul himself. Paul and I have had a chat or 5. Extreme intelligence.
If misinterpreted, you’d think this was just the beginning of Paul’s journey in Australia. Not so. He’s been doing this a long time. Now, major press is giving the well deserved and upcoming spotlight. Not to him, to the cause.
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Researchers Try Nicotine To Treat Memory Loss
More positive involvement using the word, (and the chemical) “nicotine”. This is good. This makes people who know better nervous. Excellent. More research I say! Think about it… if kids thought nicotine is good for you, they would avoid it like… oh never mind. I also secretly hope there is a use for those patches taking up shelf space.
Speaking of “The Children™”, ‘one’ Commissioner of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) wants to stop less harmful products being advertised because of no other reason: “even if they are targeted at kids”.
Meet Jessica Rosenworcel. Jessica is an “Impatient optimist. Mom, wife,” and of all things an “inveterate coffee drinker.” Huh.
CDC Misleads by calling E-cigarettes a ‘Tobacco Product’
No kidding. Already established abroad, The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has incorrectly defined…. oh never mind. I am grateful for the American Council on Science and Health taking this on.
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Vape Radio has had a fundraiser up for about a month. (I completely missed it!) In my opinion, Rod and his team are like this blog. They get the word out. They contribute to and talk about advocacy. They’re #LOUDER.
The Vaping Legion had him on here last week. If you are able to contribute, wonderful, If not, please share.
Let’s see… covered misleading, covered the children™. How about some arrogance? Are you like what is described as the “average American” who is “resentful toward those who tell him or her how to live”? So am I.
This is an eye-opening perspective from a Doctor, in proper form:
From across the pond, Dave Cross (another I admire) at Planet Of The Vapes has taken on the task of informing our community of two heartbreaking deaths.
Surgeon General Watch: Data, Snippets, and Narratives
As we slip into the third week of my one-man #SGWatch on Twitter, I took a harder look at what Dr. Adams says, and does, on his personal account – and what he doesn’t on his professional account as U.S. Surgeon General. Oh, and confusion. A general mess. That’s covered as well:
Then, because Mike started it, I spent over an hour on the 34th episode of Vaping and the Mic (and even showed my face) to discuss snippets, narratives and data…
Are attempts with these quit smoking products successful? Can you find success rates for them? Do they work? Can you quit smoking? I’m sure there are a few who will say yes. I say it is a deceptive practice to say you can.
In fact, the practice is on the smoker with an average of THIRTY tries.
That’s right.
“Understanding that for many smokers it may take 30 or more quit attempts before being successful may assist with clinical expectations.”
To quit smoking with any approved method is a challenge. Why is that? Can you quit with Nicorette® patches and gums? I asked, not so innocently, for success rates with Nicorette® product(s). I was given an 800 number to get personalized attention. Has anyone ever thought to ask as they were purchasing their product? I’m always asking silly rhetorical questions. It’s a hobby.
Will quitting be successful for you?
If they were as successful as commercials and graphics are intended to make you “feel” by helping people quit smoking, wouldn’t they say so immediately? Give me something, like a 94% satisfaction rate. 85% of our customers are smoke-free. Repeat the successful rates of the product to potential customers, not the success of repeat customers trying again. Fine, I’m reaching for the perverbial stars, I suppose.
I’m guessing a 7% success rate.
What are success rates for Nicorette® patches and gums? I don’t know. Nicorette® evidently doesn’t either. It is that time of year, with New Years Eve coming up, ads will be convincing you that you can succeed. Keep trying. Do your best. Their subtle guilt trip illusions are coming.
I asked “What are the success rates with your product” directly to Nicorette®, made by Glaxo-Smith Kline on Twitter. I didn’t think it would be a hard question.
Please call us so we can give you personalized attention: 1-800-419-4766
Not that Glaxo-Smith Kline would ever do anything to deter any other method of…..
Can you quit smoking?
People spend hours looking up the reviews on the latest appliance they’re thinking about purchasing, but spend 30 seconds deciding on an “approved” method, because you know, if it isn’t an approved method, it mustbe (bad, dangerous, unproven, deceitful, not taxable, pharma’s idea) just plain wrong.
There are times in some smokers lives where they either choose to quit smoking, or because of various reasons, want to quit. In my instance, I switched to vaping accidentally. I had, however, tried the patches and gums years before and they just didn’t work.
I didn’t even think to ask the doctor about success rates, I assumed they worked. So does the rest of the world. I’d like to see success rates after 6 months, 1 year, heck, call me crazy, 5 years – with relapse rates. (With all that data-driven stuff people like to blab about). Implying that it works isn’t enough any more. Proof by assertion isn’t enough.
DO they work? This article stated “the most rigorous long-term study” said no”.
Mine, where, ~dare I say~ patches and gums do not work because you are not addicted to nicotine itself. You are possibly addicted to the other chemicals or chemical reactions within smoking tbacco, but nicotine “addiction” without tobacco simply does not exist. Period.
There is no data or science showing nicotine “addiction” without tobacco and MAOI’s.
The patches and gums “may, could, might” work. I would say percentages of success are 7%, and I’m being very optimistic with that. For your own sanity, call the company and ask them about success rates. Ask your doctor. Let me know how they respond.
Here’s one (2009) with “effectiveness”… (Thanks, Jenny!)
Effectiveness of Pharmaceutical Smoking Cessation Aids (Thanks, Skip!)
“pharmaceutical aids for smoking cessation, despite strong evidence for efficacy from randomized trials, have not been effective at increasing successful quitting”
What is being added to tobacco to reduce nicotine?
When Dr. Gottleib, head of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) made the announcement to reduce nicotine and keep tobacco burning, health criminal organizations immediately applauded the plan to continue tobacco use.
Speculation over future profits is keeping some barely contained in their excitement.
Since the announcement to lower nicotine in cigarettes, health organized crime heads have rallied in support in the plan, some calling it a “game changer” between bites of cannolis.
“I’m gonna make him an offer he can’t refuse.”
― Mario Puzo, The Godfather
For this to work, there must be a strong and unbreakable criminal network and respect for the groundworkcriminal element already established between the drug companies and public health, even if was before you were born, and specifically if you don’t understand it.
Everyone must agree that nicotine is addictive and dangerous. Decades of a foundational and profitable lie is at stake for everyone, even when nicotine isn’t addictive without tobacco. No one wants to be embarassed.
People could get hurt.
“There are things that have to be done and you do them and you never talk about them. You don’t try to justify them. They can’t be justified. You just do them. Then you forget it.”
― Mario Puzo, The Godfather
Dr. Gottlieb
He himself is a fan of tobacco. Big fan. Smoking promotion is big business when it’s technically illegal for tobacco companies to advertise themselves. The government does it for them.
I can’t imagine he read this opinion piece he linked, it was written by a history professor with writing skill and knowledge of a cat in heat, or at least worse than mine. Among other things, it stated:
“Smokers would be able to start or quit at will, without suffering the robbery of choice that defines addiction.”.
Keeping tobacco and trying to redefine it as nicotine, is a game.
Journal: FDA’s new plan to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes to sub-addictive levels could be a game-changer: https://t.co/yMEDlJSmZj
He and fellow criminal, Mitch “Two-Butts” Zeller wrote a long and boring letter and *surprise*, it got published as gospel in the New England Journal of Medicine.
It does sound convincing.
“A nicotine-limiting standard could make cigarettes minimally addictive or nonaddictive, helping current users of combustible cigarettes to quit and allowing most future users to avoid becoming addicted and proceeding to regular use”
The Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids.
“Let’s make it happen”
Let’s make it happen: A world in which kids never become addicted to cigarettes. https://t.co/0n7x1lsAQ7 via @BV
— Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids (@TobaccoFreeKids) August 16, 2017
“Lets move forward” – note, take the nicotine out and consider the other EIGHT ways in tobacco, the ingredient they’re allegedly against in their “informative” and graphic below of the other acceptable ingredients that will remain untouched.
Cigs have been manipulated to be more addictive, appealing and deadly. @US_FDA should move forward w/ its plan to limit nicotine levels pic.twitter.com/eyLG1m8w2N
— Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids (@TobaccoFreeKids) August 25, 2017
“Good move” “should act quickly”
Those cigarettes won’t smoke themselves.
Positive reinforcement by a political front group: Keep smoking
As the Former Director – CDC’s Office on Smoking and Health, current Dean and Regents’ Professor, Georgia State School of Public Health and part of Tobacco Atlas, Mr. Eriksen believes “deeming was so important”.
The mis-step in this and other “assessments”, is to reduce the harm caused by tobacco would be, according to all the experts, eliminate the tobacco, not endorse it.
You think he’d know better, but nobody’s paying attention.
#Skippy, the Former circus act at the Centers for Disease Control director and Former New York Mayor Bloomberg muppet – thinks continued tobacco use could save millions. It’s “important”. He’s trying to pretend he’s a rebel within by the subtle “If it happens”, and the clever hashtag #tobaccokills is almost as adorable as his efforts when he was in charge. Do as you’re told, #Skippy.
“…don’t ever take sides with anyone against the family again. Ever.”
– Michael Corleone, The Godfather
While I don’t agree that “people need to stop smoking” as stated below by the American Council on Science and Health, smoking is a personal adult choice, I am not surprised this is the only group making a bit of sense.
Despite my reservation, ACSH is standing alone as it speaks out against the criminal acts unfolding with what is known as common sense. They even went as far as stating nicotine is “harmless”. Finally, truth.
Failed every other time in the past. People need to stop smoking, not keep the toxic smoke and lower harmless nicotine. https://t.co/zFaJSi8GoI
I’m waiting on the Heart, Lung and Cancer criminals to make their decision as to which way they’ll roll.
It isn’t like it hasn’t been tried before in 1989:
The ultra-low-nicotine cigarette is the latest entry in an increasingly feverish race among tobacco manufacturers to stop a decline of 2 percent a year in cigarette consumption in the United States.
Tobacco industry executives say the process of removing nicotine that Philip Morris used to create the Merit Free is similar to the decaffeination process used on coffee beans.
”It’s a pretty common, patented process that we’re all aware of,” said Douglas Keeney, chairman of C. A. Blockers.
In summary, a toxicological analysisdoes not indicate that low-nicotine and nicotine-free Quest® cigarettes have less adverse toxicological effects in the laboratory than conventional cigarettes. This should draw the attention of the consumers and policy makers.
“The FDA’s failure, to date, to acknowledge that e-cigarettes not only are safer than combustible cigarettes, but that they are much safer, results in confusion among would be consumers.”
In case you missed these, here are a few of my related takes on the investment the FDA has made on promoting tobacco use the biggest criminal Ponzi Scheme ever conducted on a continual legal basis in the United States.
It’s all about the money, folks, not about health.
Here is the company they are funding, and backing.
I did a bit of digging…..
Um… they’re suggesting PRESCRIBING smoking.
X-22 is the first and only smoking cessation product in the form of a combustible cigarette.
X-22 is a six-week prescription treatment which utilizes Very Low Nicotine (VLN) cigarettes (95% less nicotine than conventional cigarettes) to satisfy a smoker’s craving for cigarettes while separating the act of smoking from the rapid delivery of nicotine.
This is its American brand sold in more than 600 stores. It is a high nicotine cigarette. It might seem counterintuitive, especially given the health benefits claimed by its very low nicotine cigarettes, but high nicotine cigarettes could have significant health benefits as well.
X-22 has certain advantages:
It’s a cigarette, people seem to prefer that
It has no side effects, apart from the harmful effects of cigarette smoke
It has been proved effective in six clinical trials
The crimes continue… press release is to settle investors minds, in my opinion.
“Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids and the Truth Initiative co-authored a letter to Dr. Gottlieb and the FDA”
1. Smokers regulate their intake of nicotine to obtain the amount of nicotine that they need to sustain their addiction.
2. Spontaneous brand-switching studies suggest that there is no reduction in smoke intake per cigarette, and that any reductions that are seen in brand switchers depend upon whether or not those individuals also reduce their cigarette consumption.
3. Studies of smokers smoking self-selected brands showed a weak relationship between machine-measured nicotine yield and a smoker’s nicotine, CO, or thiocyanate exposure.
4. Considering the overall exposure data for individuals selecting their own brands, there is little reason to expect that smokers of low-yield cigarettes will have a lower risk of disease than those who smoke higher yield cigarettes.
Let me remind you of the accolades of lower nicotine:
Cliff Douglass of the American Cancer Society – thinks lower nicotine in cigarettes is “Absolutely everything”
NCI Director Ned Sharpless says “…good news for treating cancer and preventing cancer”
FDA’s Scott Gottlieb claims “Lower nicotine in the same product”
Matt Myers of Tobacco-Free Kids says “…to use products that won’t kill them”
Basing “minimally or non-addictive” levels of nicotine by lowering cigarette consumption by 1.6 less cigarettes… over two years… is a public health win? Here’s what they came up with after two years:
238 “non-daily” smokers… what?
over the course of two years...
lowered their smoking by 1.6 cigarettes…
“real-time reporting” and “cigarette butt counts.”
No – to slow progress… is this is what the Food and Drug Administration likes?
One of my favorite subjects – coveredhere and here…
There. Clear conscience. I hope we both feel better.
This graphic is just to make you laugh before we can move on.
I’ll wait.
All set?
Moving on.
Smoking and E-cigarette use is dropping
The last chart I saw (from 2015) showing tobacco use among middle and high school students is below, and smoking rates at the bottom was going DOWN.
Substantially.
Seems in the chart on the bottom, the significant decrease in cigarettes use… was – well, ignored. Instead, it added in in the “overall useage”of tobacco.
Huh. Seems in the chart at the TOP, it increased. That made progress “No significant change”.
I believe this grapic was made during the Surgeon General’s propaganda tour when I snipped this, so I apologize in advance on the source.
I’m sure they were made by someone much more important than I am before I put my remarks and drivel all over theirs.
I think the source is somewhere, if you can bear to go, in here.
I’d like to believe the children surveyed in the latest findings are telling the truth to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). I’d also like to believe those organizations were truthful in relaying that information to the public. Not sure. You?
Not sure. You? Haven’t seen Puff-N-Stuff metanalyze it yet… for all I know this is cause for children to pick their noses…I’ll move on.
Either way, smoking is down, e-cigarette use (now called tobacco) is down.
Down 20% for “any tobacco product”.
Down 20% for “any combustible tobacco product”.
Down 26% for any “two (dual use) tobacco products”.
Down 29% for “e-cigarette use”.
Down 33% for “hookah use”.
Imagine taking away e-cigarettes as a choice.
Would any of the other categories have gone down?
I think not.
Between 2013 and 2015, e-cigarette use rose substantially, and then it dropped in 2016…while “experts” were claiming, screaming, yelling and making a general ass of themselves that they are a gateway to smoking. Yeah. About that… They’ll be making an ass of themselves and taking credit for the lower rates… any minute now.
Fool me once… keep babbling…. I’ll make it clearer.
Meanwhile, the Tobacco 21 crowd gears up and wants to restrict tobacco from 18-20 year olds from having that choice. (E-cigarettes). From Adults.
Now look back up at that chart.
Now look without giggling at this graphic tweet from “well respected” our National Tobacco Control Professor, Stanton “Puff-N-Stuff” Glantz, again. It’s like he’s trying to be convincing and all…
You know you want to.
Added 8/26/17
“The implications of the rapid rise in electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use remain unknown.”
Huh. Unknown. Maybe knowing they’re much less dangerous than conventional cigarettes is a start?
Nicotine dependence is not a significant mechanism for e-cigarettes’ purported effect on heavier future conventional smoking among young adults.
The world has been manipulated into believing that nicotine itself is addictive. It isn’t. Nicotine is not addictive.
Decades of the assertion of nicotine addiction is wrong. Millions of smokers have been lied to. Millions have believed the addictive property in cigarettes is nicotine alone by default or design.
MILLIONS have tried to “quit or die” with “approved” methods.
The assertion of nicotine “addiction” by “public health” is profitable and absurd.
Where IS the PROOF?
Is there proof of the global claim of addiction to nicotine without tobacco?
I decided to challenge that.
Nicotine Addiction: An Open 30-Day Public Health Challenge.
Here is the “Fagerström Nicotine SMOKING Dependence Scale”
Answer the questions honestly as a smoker if you smoke or answer the questions honestly now as a “vaper” (or both). It’ll take one minute to get your answer:
One, with half a brain might think all those additives in tobacco could be the reason for “addiction”. Well – evidently not. It must be the nicotine.
A Nicotine Lie Is Born
In 1988, the Surgeon General released this report setting the phrase “nicotine addiction” into anti-smoking and eventually what has become “tobacco control” folklore.
By design, the anti-smoking establishment took a deep manipulative smoke-free breath in unison – and went, yeah, nicotine addiction. We can use that.
Contrived? Absolutely.
Created false nicotine theory to manipulate smokers into thinking they are addicted
The two other anti-tobacco experts, Neal Benowitz and Jack Henningfield were the jointly responsible scientific editors of the 639-page official Surgeon General’s Report: “Nicotine Addiction” in 1988.
According to the court documents the two experts both had solid economic cooperation on smoking cessation products with many pharmaceutical companies since the 1980s – Neal Benowitz as a professional consultant for several pharmaceutical companies that produce smoking cessation products, while Jack Henningfield earned most of his income from his own business companies which have had long-standing partnerships with Glaxo and Pfizer.
“Lying about “nicotine” addiction becomes addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.”
Nicotine is NOT addictive.
They Couldn’t Wait To Help
Smoking bans, laws and (bookmark alert) —> anti-smoking groups went berzerk. Patches, gums, etc. were set and soon “in place” to “help” smokers.
Public health, anti-smoking groups now tobacco control “groups” have (used) gotten away with stating nicotine addiction for DECADES, never separating tobacco or all the additives in the manufacturing process (MAOI’s) with a simple proof by assertion, the whole world “believes” very quickly, that nicotine itself, is addictive. Government goes along for the ride.
Nicotine: From the farm to your food, cosmetics, cardiovascular and Alzheimer’s applications, what are they not telling us? #YouDontKnowNicotine
Please, Keep Smoking
When you wanted to stop smoking, you had it set in your mind via the brainwashing you’ve had most or all your life. Patch. Gum. Approved methods. You take the word of experts who should know better, run to the local drug store or supermart and load up on essentially useless products.
The world of anti-tobacco, pharmaceuticals and government, by design deception, have manipulated public opinion.
Remember above?
“Tobacco and nicotine are addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.”
Proof by assertion:
Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction. Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).
There are stats to show how well poorly the patch and gum are helping folks stop smoking at a whopping 93% failure rate here.
Profits from nicotine replacement “therapies” are addictive like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.
Nicotine is NOT addictive.
An Addiction To Revenue
Nicotine gum was around in 1967, but commercially available in 1978.
Shortly thereafter, in 1994, the tobacco companies were put on the spot, in my opinion, to look like villains – to make the public record look as if they were lying, and make the pharmaceutical companies much more profitable.
Wouldn’t most or all of us, if “addicted” to nicotine alone, have
Smoked more and more cigarettes every day to increase our “nicotine” levels?
Continually use higher MG patches going up instead of “stepping down”?
Chewed copious amounts of nicotine gum until our cheeks exploded?
Become “junkies”, gone on crime sprees and lived on the streets?
Seen a huge worldwide black market for nicotine gum & patches?
Nicotine is NOT addictive.
Willful Manipulation And Deception
“Experts” willfully, with malice, have the answer – and give you what you’re supposedly addicted to, to help you become free from your addiction.
That, my friend, is business 101 charlatanism defined.
I’ll let you ponder that as I keep typing.
The phrase “nicotine addiction” became profitable by the 1990’s.
“Keeping people smoking by saying replacement “therapies” work is “as addictive as alcohol, cocaine, and heroin”.
Nicotine is NOT addictive.
An Addiction To Lying
ALWAYS referring to tobacco, never without. An alleged expert in her field.
Nicotine is one of the most addictive chemicals known to mankind #ECToH2017 It is just as addictive as cocaine and heroin, if not more so pic.twitter.com/y5kZaRw0WE
Here’s an example of an alleged “expert” using misdirection.
Then – there’s a contradiction. It either IS addictive or it is not.
There’s no “depends”. It makes “experts” look assertive, but uneducated.
To presume, assume, portray and assert the “fact” that nicotine itself is THE addictive ingredient in tobacco is unsubstantiated, contrived and incorrect.
I’ve asked for proof of addiction to nicotine without tobacco. Repeatedly. Replies were either completely ignored, or amusing to some extent.
Without proof that nicotine itself “IS” addictive, it’s not as easy an answer to – lie about.
I looked. Asked politely, and sometimes not so politely. Then I looked some more.
Facebook. Emails.
Becoming a pain in the ass, I’ve asked “important people”. I’ve asked wannabe’s with PhD’s, top experts on addiction.
“Tobacco control – experts – “, T.V. doctors, the Centers for Disease Control, The Food & Drug Administration, the Surgeon General and even asked Pfizer & Johnson & Johnson on Twitter. I wanted anyone to show proof that – without tobacco – nicotine “is” addictive.
I’ve asked the Lung, Heart, Cancer and other organizations like the American Medical Association. You name it, I’ve asked.
Not one could produce evidence to show addiction without using tobacco or MAOI’s.
They all say use those approved “cessation” methods.
Imagine my surprise.
Nicotine is NOT addictive.
Multi-Billion Dollar Lies
I asked Mr. Zercher of 22nd Century. According to his Twitter account, he is
“VP BD @_xxiicentury (cig w less nicotine than a tomato? yep), fmr head of #americanspiritcigarettes.”
He’s done research (funded by the FDA). Surely, with the progress and innovation of creating a cigarette with “less nicotine than a tomato”, he’s done some research. He of all people – he’s got answers.
See, he’s got a cigarette with less nicotine in it. That tells me he’s got evidence that nicotine is the addictive property in tobacco, not the tobacco.
I covered his portion of the multi-billion dollar, global industry (that I’m still waiting to prove me wrong) here:
I’m also still waiting for you to find it, Mr. Zercher.
Convincing smokers that nicotine is addictive is a multi-billion dollar global lie.
What I could find
Before the challenge was proposed publicly, I did some homework. Hell, I’ve been doing homework for 3+ years. To really scour the world for addiction to nicotine without tobacco was a task.
Once I published the challenge, I expected to be bombarded with studies, data, science and proof that nicotine, without tobacco – IS addictive. Instead, I was expectedly told to “change the criteria”. Huh.
Why? If it IS addictive – after all these years – where is the data?
With no real assistance or help from the “experts”, I found the following on my own:
This one, with my favorite word “can” and of 18 people, does not show addiction.
This cannot possibly apply to nicotine as a discrete substance even when delivered in a cigarette. The problem with a regular intake of nicotine in a cigarette is all the collateral damage caused by smoking.
Finally, ignored since 2011, Hanan Frenk and Reuven Dar submitted this to the Harm Reduction Journal:
We show that the nicotine addiction model presented in this chapter, which closely resembles its 22 years old predecessor, could only be sustained by systematically ignoring all contradictory evidence.
To question this topic has brought understandably varied levels of criticism among peers, and dismissal due to the assertion of addiction by some professionals without separating tobacco from the equation. I was asked repeatedly to change the criteria.
In giving advice on smoking cessation, the perception of being addicted to “nicotine” itself, then suggesting a “step-down method” with nicotine products is a questionable at best.
Blaming smokers for “not trying hard enough” and telling them it takes many tries is no longer acceptable.
If it were the nicotine itself, not the tobacco, chemicals and maoi’s introduced to enhance tobacco, there would be merit for these products for cessation.
“NRT” and cessation devices do not work. Public health and the manufacturers have known this all along and gone along with the illusion. Nicotine Replacement “therapies” are like any other homeopathic or snake oil remedy.
If you are an expert, please – feel free to comment on this blog and prove addiction to nicotine without tobacco.
This is now a perpetual challenge. I’ll wait.
Here’s a list of other valuable resources added as they are found.
“although any nicotine-containing product is potentially addictive, decades of research and use have shown that NRT products sold OTC do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence.
“The research, published today (Tuesday 16 May) in the journal Scientific Reports, adds to the Chittka lab’s understanding of how bees – insects with a brain no bigger than a pinhead – can perform complex tasks.”
Saw this in a Facebook group I belong to – from 2012. An excellent perspective from Gabriela Segura, M.D:
“My aim here is to defend the rights of people who choose to smoke. It may surprise you to know that, while the percentage of the population that smokes has declined in recent years (due to government propaganda), the incidence of heart disease has not declined. The reason, shock! horror! is that smoking is not the real problem to begin with!”
“This site was written by a healthcare writer and edited by the former editor of MayoClinic.com as a public service to help smokers make informed decisions”
This is more like “de-addiction” to their revenue……….and they don’t LIKE it.
I LOVE it when the disruption is SO blatant and clear… and it’s in print.
Pfft… “de-addiction”…
“This has resulted into implementation of regulations and legislations for drugs and electronic cigarettes, which will further curb growth of the market in North America.”
Imagine my surprise, when I’m told nicotine content ranges MUCH higher than in cigarettes….that after a “four-year study” that had
“taken a multidisciplinary approach that includes experimental animal models and a range of human studies that examine tobacco product appeal, addictiveness, and toxicity.”
I’ve got some AMAZING people and organizations I am connected with around the world. This link was shared with me by the New Nicotine Alliance AU. I don’t understand it all, but I get that “nicotine alone” (does) not enhance addiction…. Without tobacco…… or MAOI’s…..
Bold is my emphasis:
Discussion:
The main finding of our study is that nicotine needs the association with an irreversible and non-selective MAOI to induce the same neurochemical modifications as those observed with compounds belonging to the main groups of drugs of abuse (i.e., amphetamine, cocaine, morphine, or alcohol) (Salomon et al., 2006; Lanteri et al., 2008). Moreover, although repeated injections of nicotine alone do not enhance the hyperlocomotor effects of amphetamine or PCA, tranylcypromine pretreatment allows nicotine to induce a robust and persistent cross-sensitization to these two drugs.
Added 01/30/18
“The commercial importance of the ‘’dependence to nicotine’’ dogma”
“This change of heart should normally create the effect of a bomb”
“… authors of the study…….envision their work could lead to new non-addictive, nicotine-based treatments for some of the 51 million people worldwide who suffer from the disease.”
“Some e-cigarette users were dependent on nicotine-containing e-cigarettes, but these products were less addictive than tobacco cigarettes. E-cigarettes may be as or less addictive than nicotine gums, which themselves are not very addictive.”
“The effects of nicotine on the brain are similar to those of sugar, salt, exercise, and other harmless substances and events”
“There are so many findings that conflict so starkly with the view that nicotine is addictive that it increasingly appears that adhering to the nicotine addiction thesis is only defensible on extra-scientific grounds.”
“Nicotine is known as the drug that is responsible for the addicted behaviour of tobacco users, but it has poor reinforcing effects when administered alone.”
Below includes only sugar. Not the other chemicals that can enhance nicotine – to be blamed- for “addiction”. It’s almost as if the information is classified. Or buried. As if someone doesn’t want you to know this information.
Also: “The main additions to tobacco are sugars, which are also present naturally in tobacco leaves, and moisture retaining compounds (humectants), such as glycerol and propylene glycol.“
“One of the mistakes smokers make when trying to quit is confusing sugar withdrawal with nicotine withdrawal. Most people actually experience sugar withdrawal, which can be very uncomfortable. Symptoms include irritability, headaches, shaking.”
(I blame Fig Ramsey for me finding this one as well.)
“Sugars are added to cigarettes as they are known to turn into aldehydes during combustion. Acetaldehyde is believed to increase the addictive properties of nicotine.”
Further, by weight, added sugars were the number one or number two ingredient in most cigarette brands. Given that added sugars increase the appeal, toxicity, and addictive potential of smoking, regulatory actions should be considered… for the protection of public health.
When the sugar level in natural tobacco is determined the concentration of sugars added on top of that can be defined and the relationship with increased dependence potential of tobacco products can be determined.
5.5 percent knew that sugar was added to cigarettes and only 3.8 percent of those surveyed knew that added sugar increases toxins in smoke. White processed sugar is contained in each cigarette also has been found to be addictive.
At the beginning of the 20th century, someone devised a two-step process of air-curing leaves to keep the nicotine content high, then soaking them in sugar to get the sweet flavor back.
Financial Ties and Conflicts of Interest Between Pharmaceutical and Tobacco Companies
3 case studies. One shows how tobacco companies pressured
pharmaceutical companies to scale back their smoking cessation
educational materials that accompanied Nicorette.The second shows how
they restricted to whom the pharmaceutical company could market its
transdermal nicotine patch. In the third case, we show how subsidiary
tobacco and pharmaceutical companies of a parent company collaborated in
the production of a nicotine-release gum. Thus, because tobacco
cessation product marketing has been altered as a result of these
financial conflicts, disclosure would serve the interest of public
health.
“financial
ties between tobacco and pharmaceutical companies have resulted in the
weakening of smoking cessation efforts and the sharing of technology to
develop nicotine products that are profitable to both industries.”
Fear is a lack of knowledge. Knowledge is power. To find valuable information – credible information – about vaping and e-cigarettes isn’t difficult. You have to know where to look, understand information as it is presented to you, and use it to make decisions for yourself.
To begin your journey, to expand your knowledge, you have places to go.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of personal blogs covering vaping in the research, legislative, political, scientific, and personal arena of e-cigarettes.
Sharing information about e-cigarettes is essential, and for some, a passion to educate others with accurate and forthright information.
One individual (listed) schooled me quickly and privately about nicotine. I was drinking the kool-aid up to that moment and he opened my eyes to the vast and valuable opportunity of learning.
Another individual listed fired me up so much to fight, I started my own blog.
You don’t always have to agree with individuals in “every” instance, but be open minded, take their vantage point and learn.
How we gain continuous knowledge about e-cigarettes, and what we need to learn via perspective from which it comes, holds weight. Not restrained with “deadlines”, angles or sponsors where there may be bias, individual consumers themselves have skill, direct impact and ability to communicate what needs to be said with vigor and style all their own.
Despite the vast claims “experts” manufacture, we, as individuals, are the experts.
This is an example of a journalist withholdingknowledge and information – from Sarah Knapton – Telegraph’s Science Editor.
It is yet another example of what we’re fighting against as individuals.
Who at @Telegraph can explain if this is their official position on news regarding smokers & vapers? Who does 'we' refer to? pic.twitter.com/zs73slZwU7
These few, for different reasons, have their admirable style and grace. You can find humor, be outraged and find a gold mine of truthful information. Consumers all over the world are looking for the bad about e-cigarettes – just as hard as the good – and tell it like it is.
You can be engrossed in the veracity and tenacity of their views and learn.
As an example of what is out there, there are many more doing things behind the scenes.
Everyone has a role in fighting – no matter what medium they use. The list of individuals and sites above is certainly not everyone. There are individuals writing and calling politicians, going to meetings. Starting websites. Educating their Doctors. Tweeting. Giving testimonies in court. With every breath you take, find that role.
You can find me here trying to be cordial on Facebook
You can find me here being a bit more evil on Twitter
Success rates with e-cigarettes are much higher than those in charge want to admit, according to their own statistics. I don’t care what the CDC, FDA or the American Heart, Lung or Cancer “associations” and affiliates SAY, I care more about what they’re NOT saying to the public.
Lets say it was your job description, as an expert in tobacco use, tobacco control or anti-tobacco – or pick a title from the various organizations, government or government funded – to reduce or eliminate smoking. To use the BEST and unbiased information available to do so, to “help” smokers succeed. What a monumental task.
Imagine having to deal with the very people you despise, detest and loathe…a bunch of smokers. Ugh. Put on your nanny cap, now – the detestable souls need your help, advice, encouragement and of course, while you’ve got them, shame them.
Sprinkle in a few knowledgeable phrases like “try harder” and “keep trying” and send them on their way with the approved, “free” yet ineffective patch or gum shown to have, at best, a 7% success rate – or, if in your “highly revered by your peers“ opinion, they’re beyond help – suggest another known and approved prescription from their doctor as if your salary, funding & grants depended on it…
– they’re just addicts. BUT, you know what’s best for those lowlifes.
NOW, imagine if you claimed you wanted to reduce or eliminate tobacco – to help smokers who want it. It’s all or part of your job description. Only this time you KNOW there’s another alternative – vaping products. E-cigarettes. Now for this exercise you must:
Think for yourself
Communicate, ask questions to those you’ve encountered already doing it
Use google without help from your 7 year old
Make informed and educated decisions based on what you know
Understand the difference between combustion and non-combustion
Make determinations from those points above to reach a conclusion
Stand up, have some balls and speak out loudly against and directly to your colleagues
There are professionals – colleagues – alreadydoing that here.
Remember those bullet points!
Bill Godshall, the Executive Director at Smokefree Pennsylvania – pointed out the astoundingly obvious about a survey conducted where the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) funded a 2013 Moffitt Cancer Center online survey of 1815 adult vapers (who had a history of daily cigarette smoking, and had smoked for at least a year) finds:
BUT the authors buried all of these important findings in a table (Table 2), and failed to discus or mention any of these findings in the text or abstract of the study.
So why am I exposing these survey results (instead of the folks at Moffitt who received $3.6 million from NIH and conducted the study)?
And why did Moffitt researchers wait two years, and then bury their findings in a data table of an article that focused exclusively on gender differences found in their survey?
And why didn’t Moffitt Cancer Center issue a press release announcing these survey results?
I strongly suspect the answer to all of those questions is because the study results refute Obama’s DHHS 7 year old propaganda campaigning demonizing e-cigs, and contradict the policy goal of DHHS for FDA to ban e-cigarettes.
This appear to be yet another example of federally funded researchers not wanting to bite the hand that feeds them (and that could feed them very well for many more years). Bill Godshall, Jan 20, 2016
Added 3/12/17
Among those making a quit attempt, use of e-cigarettes as a cessation aid surpassed that of FDA-approved pharmacotherapy.
My survey ran from December 2014 to January 2015 and had 7,238 participants worldwide. 2% said vaping products DID NOT WORK.
42% stopped IN ONE DAY.
A total of 75% had success rate with vaping products within a month.
I allowed comments after each of the 14 questions.
Here are just SOME of the unedited comments from those participants “public health” likes to ignore:
my 1st vape was my last cig
I was a dual user vaping 98% of the time and rarely smoking in the the first half of the past 4 1/2 yrs. I totally quit in August 2013.
Couldn’t find the right style vape now I drip and it’s awesome!
tried medication, zyban, patches, lozenges, patched,,gum spray but vaping was like freedom
I have not smoked a cigarette since, I started vaping. Last cigarette was at 12 pm first vape 2 pm the same day.
As mentioned, I first tried vaping at 18MG in Feb 2014 and mostly vaped but also smoked an occasional cigarette for just over a month. Then I went out for an evening with friends in March, had a fer glasses of wine & ended up asking a friend for a cigarette. This prompted a relapse into smoking nearly all the time with an occasional vape, but it didn’t ‘hold’ me. In May 2014 I was going on holiday somewhere I couldn’t smoke, so I decided to get some 24MG juice in the hope that something stronger might get me through. It did! 🙂 I didn’t miss smoking and didn’t feel edgy or restless due to nicotine withdrawal, either. I actually really enjoyed it.
I smoked rolling tobacco and had deliberately not taken it on holiday. However, when I got back home I did have some urges to smoke it. I had VERY little left in the packet, about 4 or 5 slim roll-ups and I couldn’t quite get myself to bin it, so I 99% vaped and over 3 days had half a roll-up occasionally until it was gone. When it was gone I knew that if I wanted more tobacco I would have to go and buy it. So I made a decision not to. It was a no-brainer! Vaping was much nicer, I felt better already and hadn’t enjoyed the taste of the cigarettes compared to Coconut Caramel juice. It wasn’t a difficult decision, but it was a necessary one for me. To be clear in my own mind that vaping was the way forward for me. I haven’t looked back.
I had tried using the e-cigs 7 yrs ago, and failed…not enough puff to satisfy! then the vaping pens came out! So I decided to try them. Alot more satisfaction, more vapor ! feels much more like an alternative to smoking
Still smoke a bit
The vaping industry didn’t have the technology i needed to feel satisfied until more recently
i never took up vaping to quit smoking
Because when i started i did completely quit forthree months then tried a cig did it back and forth for a few months then im back to no cigs again.
I borrowed from my dad to see if it would satisfy my cravings. Once my starter kit arrived, I switched over immediately.
4 days and I could no longer tolerate cigarettes.
Using too low of nicotine. Tried stopping at 6mg
Same time I started vaping I automatically stopped smoking.
took will power but it works for me
I began vaping to just cut down the number of cigarettes, within one week I was not smoking any cigarettes and have not had one since.
Replaced smoking with Vaping and never picked up another cigarette. That was my Goal and even though tough for the first week, it worked.
I vastly preferred the taste of vaping from my first puff and never got nicotine cravings despite having smoked 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day.
in the process of quiting but it’s hard when everyone around you smokes cigarettes and your only allowed to vape in designated areas alongside other smokers who have no regard for you or the fact your trying to quit
true
Quit cigarettes day 1 of vaping.
Stopped smoking as soon as I started vaping.
Made the switch from smoking a pack a day to vaping. No more cigarettes from that day forward.
I told myself I was gonna quit and used my vape instead.
After the first day I never wanted another cigarette. Absolutely no desire to see, smell, or taste one.
Use 0 nic to help weight loss.
Pros & Con’s ???!!!obvious
The pen wasn’t enough got a mvp and kicked smoking
Gave away 4 fresh packs within a week of stopping. Already knew it was gonna work!
Well that 1st week I might have smoked a few cigs but they had me on like 12mg nic. and that just wasn’t strong enough after I switched to 24mg I haven’t touched a cig since.
Because 0 days wasn’t an option
I tapered off to two a day, then quit completely after about a year.
Quit smoking, used e-cigs for 2 weeks, saw my first vape unit and asked what it was. Went online, found a freebie, found a store selling better and upgraded, etc, etc.
I stopped smoking the very minute i began vaping.
I smoked for the first 20 days that I vaped. Still felt I needed that smoke before bed. One cigarette a day. When the pack was empty, I was able to quit completely.
I just liked it more
It took me about a month to completely quit cigarettes and only vape
Because it’s true.
Started vaping, never had another cig.
it took about a week for comparison reasons and vaping won the comparison
I swapped vaping for smoking immediately as soon as I got my kit in the post
Stopped smoking the day I started vaping
I was on vacation and had smoked and vaped two weeks. After the holiday completely only vaped.
I never smoked again since my first E-Cig
I started vaping to help control cravings for sweets, from smelling vapor output by my roommate.
Kept goin back to the damn things.
I was looking for something that helps me to stop smoking, and this was just the answer
See previous comment
Immediately stopped smoking as soon as I filled up my fist atty.
It was a hard transition but I eventually just started vaping
Took about a week to not even want or be able to hit a cig
bought a starter kit battery with clearomizer and tobacco flavoured e-liquid. Tried it for a week the gave up. 3 months later bought a variable wattage device and refillable tank with dessert flavoured e-liquid and quit smoking that day.
As Q4.
I quit smoking within 24 hours.
Was pretty much instant.
As soon as I started vaping I did not smoke a cigarette again.
Quit smoking about a month after starting vaping. When I quit I didn’t smoke for almost a year. Then my aunt died and I had a few cigs. Should of never did that.
In fairness, I stopped smoking the day I started vaping. I had decided to give myself a week to see how it went. Never went back to smoking.
I put 1 week but it was really 12 days, so I don’t feel “one month” really fit.
Took that long to find the right combination of hardware and juice/nic strength/pg/vg) ratio to quit smoking for good.
I wanted to stop smoking all together, so I went in with that attitude and it worked for me.
don’t really understand this question
~ 6 weeks.
For the first week I still smoked the occasional cigarette at times such as great stress and first thing in the morning.
put out the cigarette, turned on the vaper and never looked back
After trying the ecig, never wanted to go back to cigarettes.
Quit smoking right when I started vaping
same day. As a matter of fact, I have a full pack of cigarettes in my drawer. As soon as my pen came in, I quit smoking cigarettes.
I smoked and vaped for about four years. I finally quit smoking two months ago and now only vape.
I was smoking the last pack of the carton I had before I went to strictly vaping.
Both smoked & vaped for the last 2 years until right before Xmas 2014, just couldn’t do without that cig upon waking before going to bed…bought new Vape gear on Black Friday of 2014…totally quit cigs before Xmas of 2014.
Took me awhile to find the right setup and juice.
Smoked and vaped. Decided it was better to use vaping to quit smoking and I did.
About a week then just a couple a day
Cut back on cigarettes by 90% but it took me a whole year before I was ready to give up the last of them.
It took a bit to get comfortable and work my way off the cigarettes but once i started vaping a pack of cigarettes would last 2 weeks.
did both for about a month , then gave up cigarettes altogether.
actually the first vape was no more smoking
Once I had the right gear I finished my fags one night and started using the vape the next day.
I bought a cig-alike to see what the gimmick was with it, and found out that the flavors made vaping enjoyable. I quit smoking without trying because I enjoyed the e cig so much more!
I stopped smoking cigs for 6 months before vaping
See above…I found the transition surprisingly easy
I WALKED OUT OF THE STORE WITH MY SET UP AND I HAVE NOT TOUCHED A CIGARETTE IN 415 DAYS.
It was actually more than one day, but less than a full week.
I actually quit smoking using nicorettes, but hate gum, so switched over to vaping.
I still haven’t completely quit the cigs.
when i got my first ecigarette kit, i stop buying cigarettes. its ben over a year since i purchased cigarettes, and since no longer purchasing i no longer smoke them. i did have a relapse once, and thats because my ecigarette broke that day and i had no backup, so i went and bought a pack of smokes.
I started with low powered cig-alikes which were nearly useless.
Stopped smoking 3 days after I received my starter kit.
About 2 weeks
Tried vaping on and off for 3 years.
Tried cigalikes, unsatisfying, batteries were inconvenient.
Tried ego-t, batteries better but cartridge prone to leaking.
Made switch to vaping with mini Davide tank… No leaks, plenty of battery.
Started vaping 1 month ago, I still have the occasional cigarette but went from 30 cigarettes a day to maybe 1 per day.
The second I made the switch to vaping I haven’t touched tobacco. I had probably 10 full dip cans laying around because vaping helped me that quick.
Set a date to stop and swapped
Vaping was working for awhile until i went on vacation then started smoking again.
I have not smoked since I took my first vape.
See previous comments (Immediate cessation of smoking when started vaping)
Slowly transitioned into it
After the first day vaping I didn’t touch any cigarette for the last 9 months and I will never touch a cigarette again.
I made a firm decision to stop smoking and take up vaping and thus did it.
It took me a month of consciously replacing every cigarette of the day with vaping. And I’ll admit I struggled in that first month. There’s the learning curve of dealing with the equipment and the initial frustration of that coupled with regular cigarette cravings made that first month harder. But once you get the hang of how the equipment works and regularly replace cigarettes with it, it becomes easier.
Still have not completely stopped smoking down to a pack a week
see above
After picking up my device, I took me maybe a week or two to search for flavors that I like in order for me to not pick up a cigarette
I was able to make the switch immediately.
when I stated vaping the best thing you could buy was a small 510 and dakang juices if I could find the juices and rda I have now I would of quit smoking that day
I quit smoking the day I started vaping
It was a transition….
I never looked back, it worked great for me.
The day I started vaping was the day I quit smoking. I had a few cigs here an there at first but the last year no smoke in my lungs what so ever.
I smoked my last cig when I bought my e cig kit
Just wanted to quit cigarettes , caught went away and feel better.
I started with one of the cig a likes. That didn’t work. Then had a couple of 500 egos. Still not satisfying. Finally went to 1100 twist and a spinner. Read a book Easy Way To Quit Smoking. Set a date and quit.
Determined
I stopped smoking on the day I started vaping. Have not gone back.
about 6 months before I went days without a cigarette
About 3 weeks
After I bought my vape and started I never had a cigarette again
Once I started vaping, I knew I was no going back to smoking a real cigarette.
I’m slowly decreasing my cigarettes while vaping
as above
I tried a friend’s e-cigarette 4 or 5 times and then went and got my first setup. Quit smoking cold turkey after buying.
I put out my last cig on my way into the vape shop.
I smoked my last cigarette while putting my starter vape kit together
Because it worked
because it felt like the safer option, and i stoped smelling like a dirty ash tray
5 days smoking while vaping, after that I no longer smoked
smoked my last cigarette the same night my friend let me try his ecig
It took about a week to get off cigs completely
Started vaping with unsatisfactory vaping kit, went back to smoking. Got better equipment and stopped smoking alltogether after a transition period of a few months during which i smoked 1-3 cigarettes per day.
Never felt desire to quit entirely
For me, vaping was not a direct replacement for smoking. It took a conscious effort to quit smoking. Vaping is easier, more cigarette like, than nicotine patches, lozenges, etc…, but it’s not the same.
Because it’s true!
I quit cigarettes and started vaping the same day.
At start i had bad ecigarettes they didnt work as planned and it took half a year to get good stuff
addition: the moment I started vaping, so more like within a minute
It was actually 2 days but that was the hardest part and then I just stopped
I’ve had one cigarette a day since I got my istick. I consider myself quit.
smoked 10 cigs in total over 3 day period before completely quitting
After smoking for so long.. vaping was different and I was still trying to adjust my nicotine intake and needed to gain more knowledge of vaping equipment and other things..
Preferred it right away.
picked up a ecig and never looked back
i started vaping the day after i stopped smoking
i definitly change cigarettes for vaping with first taste e-cig.
28 days.
Quit the same day.
I smoked a few cigs the first 2 days.
see last answer
From second day i started vaping, i have not touched 1 single sigarette
I got my tornado c, delivered in the morning at 0900, put it on charge, added juice, and couldn’t wait till the light turned green. Had my last cigarette at 1100, and then started my journey into vaping at 1200. had one cigarette a week later, to see if i was missing anything, had to stub it out ofter the 2nd toke, as i felt sick.
Haven’t tried it yet
I was a dual user, than just found myself not smoking at all one day
Went from smoking a solid 2 packs a day, to less than 2 packs a week so far.
I didn’t smoke
After a year I gave snus a shot and was able to give up smoking analogues.. I dont particularly like vaping cause it tightens the chest but do vape daily instead of smoking .. i feel much better for it .. my appendages are not always cold all the time and i breath much better
3 days
From the first day I cut down from 40 to eight.
The moment I got my #1 e-cig loaded I gave my cigarrettes away.
I was able to go to complete vaping!
Am still smoking and vaping
Quit smoking when I started vaping
Initially used a fairly basic PVD and although not great, I realised that it had potential. Further research using Internet/YouTube etc., made me realise that there was some really well made and nicely designed products out there using reliable batteries and rebuildable atomisers etc. always sourcing genuine quality eliquids that are manufactured using pharmaceutical quality ingredients – UK and US only and staying clear of Far Eastern sources.
I start vaping when i finish my last tobacco box.
I decided to stop fags and stuck with it by vaping
Smoked and vaped. Blu helped the cravings bit didn’t satisfy. When I went mechanical, I never looked back.
Stopped smoking immediately upon purchasing vApe
Went to sleep a smoker, woke up a vaper. That’s the truth.
Stopped smoking on night of 2-19 and started vaping on morning of 2-20.
I started vaping so I didn’t always have to go outside. Once the technology was good enough, I easily gave up the cigarettes.
i smoked 1 cigarette every morning for the first 4 days
I didn’t need to smoke. I had 2 products which can give me nicotine. I choose the one with the better flavour (I mean my personal vaper)
Easy switch
i stopped fully, and now smoking back 5 to 10 cigs/day, personnal reasons like stress …
from the outset, I changed the snuff by e-cigar
I dual used for about a week, which was my intention when I started vaping. Each day I found myself smoking fewer cigarettes until I decided that I could just quit them out right.
The e-cigarette set was weak.
I quit nearly completely the instant I took my first “puff” of my first e-cig. I quickly began to desire the vaping more than the smoking, and in 2 weeks, I stopped smoking altogether.
I was an early adopter. Around 2007. The products on the market at the time were unsatisfactory.
only power over 6 watts worked, (cigalikes are 1 to 3 watts), now years later my range in 8 to 13 watts
I took 1 cigarette each morning 20 days and the pack was empty. I have not bought cigarettes ever since.
I tryed vaping for the first time in 2009 but the e-cigarettes back than aren’t that good, thats why I started smoking again. Last year I just wanted to try vaping again and I quit smoking within 1 Day. I am a non smoker since 7 months.
It worked. It was easy. My health and fitness very rapidly improved.
Ran out of ecig cartridges, bought cigs and smoked them all, bought cartridges and ran out again bought cigs and smoked half the pack, bought cartridges and then moved up eventually to DIY Kanger products.
start vap et stop smoking in same time
Made the decision to stop 1st of January 2014 and Vape instead, stuck with it
I felt sick after “enjoying” the day first cigarette on day 4.
It only took me 3 days to stop smoking – around 40 cigarettes per day before. Day 1 of vaping: 20 cigarettes. Day 2 of vaping: 3 cigarettes. Day 3 of vaping: 1 cigarette. From day 4 onwards: No more cigarettes!
As above
Had one cigarette in morning after first vape then tried a second and put it out
I stopped smoking with the first use of a vape.
I stopped with my first proper vape kit. ego spinner, kanger& aspire c5. If you include cig a likes I tried one vapourlites? a month prior for a few hours had a bad experience (PG) & smoked along side.
Ordered stronger nic% flavoured disposal flavored shiaha e sticks for a better idea, as low budget a kits a big step all NRT & even cig a likes were no use, so was cautions.
Thought ok maybe I can do this IF i get the flavour right I wanted strong, coffee seemed.to be my most successful hours without cigs, over a 2 day trial.
So few months on I got the real deal, expecting id trail off gradually. But the fkavour& delivery was perfect. Daily I stare at my emergency cig in my car & an unopened pack at home and know Ive won. Sounds silly but in life Ive had addictions and know Ive finaly conquered them when I display them at home & laugh at them daily.
I quit cigs the day i started vaping.
….poor layout guys
I think it took me a long time to stop smoking as well because the initial ecigs that I tried were not very powerful.
Went straight from smoking to vaping
That’s all it took to convince me I finally had an alternative to tobacco.
od razu zaczęłam wapować i rzuciłam palenie
I had a transitional period
Good advices on devices and liquid are VERY important to completely stop smoking! Even crucial.
At the beginning, I bought “the bad e-cig” ; misfit i mean. Then, I found a shop that had “knowledge” => i completely stopped smoking since this day…
I enjoy my personal benefits of vaping or smoking when I feel each is appropriate for my special needs
As I told you, there were two ocassion in which I run out of e-liquids and I used real tobacco. Just those two.
It works for me
For many years I tried to quit smoking but failed. I tried patches and gum on several occasions but I continued to smoke while using them. Then on 1st November 2013 I bought an ecig starter kit. I smoked my last stinky that evening the following morning I filled the carto with 24mg tobacco flavour e liquid and I have not looked back since…. 🙂
I quit smoking for 3 years. Then my wife and friends started vaping. I tried and have been hooked.
After a year of quitting I slipped back into the bad habbit but wanted a way out.
tryed a 510 cig a like did not do the job about 8 months l8er got a mod did the job
I still smoked for one week whilst vaping just out of habit but soon realised I did not need both
I literally quit cigs overnight with an electronic cigarette
I enjoy it
Did start earlier, but with bad matérials & no nicotine juices. ( Nicotine is forbiden in e-cig juices in belgium )
I started vaping with the intention of cutting down on smoking to save money and just haven’t felt like smoking since I first vaped.
I still do both, but cut down on cigarettes massively and use the vape to get my nicotine
I selected didn’t work but that’s a little unfair as i havn’t been at it long enough yet
45 days exact and certainly more to come.
I still smoked when drinking a beer, now I got used to vape while I’m drinking it.
I have been able to quit smoking completely since a brick and mortar vape shop opened in my town, before when my batteries died or I needed more e-juice I would give up and start smoking while waiting for my supplies to arrive in the mail
Inmediatly
The truth
Had to start using NET’s to quit tobacco
I was still smoking for abt a week when I started vaping but a lot less
Mixte vaping and smoking before pass to vaping only.
I tried about five years earlier didn’t work then decided to quit and start vaping at same time
Previous answer explains
in der nur zum Kaffee eine Pyro
I took a day or two to get the vaping techneque right. Then thought I’d see how long I could go without a cigarette and I’m still vaping.
Stopped smoking and started vaping directly
I had one smoke after I started vaping and found the taste of tar and ash disgusting.
but again, still smoking tobacco in my joints.
Intention was to use vaping instead of smoking
Was vaping and smoking for around 10 months, cutting down the cigs and vaping more during this time then came off the cigs completely.
i am still vaping
See above answer
2 days exactly
Loved it right away
Still occasionally smoke
Had the wrong equipment for me, Once i found everything I needed it was simple
I vaped exclusively since day 1 of using a PV
The same day I started vaping, I quit smoking and haven’t looked back.
I started vaping the cigalikes the same day I gave up. But have since moved onto mods now as far more enjoyable.
EVOLUTION DE LA VAPE EN ARRETANT PROGRESSIVEMENT LA CIGARETTE
See answer on Q4
Started vaping at noon and I had one cigarette in the afternoon. The day after I had one cigarette.
It took me a week to transition fully to vaping.
I am slowly weaning myself off of analog cigarettes
Smoked and vaped until I ran out of tobacco (rolled my own and had some left over).
I quite the same day I got it!
Started to vape in the middle of February with 1 or 2 cigarette a day. Definitively quit smoking at the end of February
like i said above 🙂
during this period I reduced by half my smoke consumption with the vape
2 years, becoz carto, CE5, ego 650, or other stuff wasn’t addapted for me
a period during which one wonders if the vapotage for me.
(sry im french)
Ha-ha
Ok I get it, it’s just a non-optionnal to have that stupid “oh explain me something useless to explain” box ?
I still smoked some cigarettes after I started vaping, but promptly, I was skipping more cigarettes without noticing.
Fue empezar a vapear y como mi intencion fue la de dejar los analogicos no me costo.
vaping was an immediate success, even with those antique lookalikes
One of the reasons I’ve encouraged so many other people to vape is because I “accidentally” quit smoking with my first e-cig without any effort at all. Transitioned from 30+ a day down to 1 or 2 a day in about a fortnight, dropped to an occasional cigarette (1 or 2 a month) after that for almost a year but stopped altogether after I realised there was absolutely NOTHING I liked about them any more.I actively enjoy vaping much more than I ever did smoking.
last cig 1 hour bevore vaping first evod with 9 mg
I always felt nothing could replace cigarettes and i enjoyed smoking but did not enjoy the chemicals, smells etc that cake with smoking. My local cape shop helped educate me in alternative products, tanks, batteries and flavours and how to combine all of this into a more pleasurable experience that gives me the same satisfaction of smoking but in a healthier environment.
Before today’s mod’s the fabrics were terrible.
I havent smoked since my first vape.
5 weeks of slowly cutting down on the amount of smoking. Until smoking was quit altogether.
I started using “ciga-likes” from the gas station, but it wasn’t enough. Once I found a mod/tank setup I liked, I stopped smoking.
First Gen. (cigalike) didn’t quite do it for me, and would have the odd sneaky rollup out of desperation.
I bought my aspire pen type before lunch. Had lunch and smoked pipe, once charged I started vaping and didn’t bother with my pipe after that.
see above.
I first tried a disposeble cig-alike and then bought a battery and clearemiser (and liquid). Never wanted a cigarette since.
see last question
After a few days, my cigarettes started to tast bad.
I quit tobacco use overnight
3 days… the time to finish the cigarettes i had with me.
On the first day I stopped smoking.
I quit in 4 days
Had my last smoke on the way into the vape shop. Left with an ego kit and haven’t had a cigarette since.
It was a spur of the momment decision one saturday afternoon and i have not touched a stinky again
Stop smoking the day I started to vape
it was between 1-2 months before i decided change smoking with vaping.
I no longer had to go outside to get my nicotine since the smell is much more tolerable than with tobacco smoke.
I decided to give vaping a chance. Carried my baccy tin for a couple of days “just in case” but never needed it
I got my first ecig in October 2008. The hardware wasn’t that good then so I found I still needed to smoke some cigarettes. Over the next 10 months I got better devices until I could completely switch in August 2009.
I did not try to quit, I just wanted to reduce but I prefer vaping to smoking.
It was that obvious that this would work.
Well, i smoked in the morning before i bought the vape maschine my last cigarette.
see comments on above question
I bought a cheap ego kit and stopped straight away.
After the second day Vaping i smoked less and after the 3th day i stopped smoking cigarettes and only Vaped
Once I found Snus, I was able to get off the ciggies altogether and just Vape and use Snus when needed
First fape i was hooked, haven’t had a ciggie since.
Took 3 days to change over completely.
Was looking for a way to quit, but didn’t know how.
Have tried everything..
5 days actually.
As I stated above, it was instant, there was nothing left to lose.
Thought it would help me cut down on the amount of tobacco cigarettes I smoked. Liked it so much I stopped smoking cigarettes all together.
We wanted to transition into quitting so vamped and smoked then chose a quit day.
I had already stopped smoking before I started vaping.
It’s an on going process..
Tried vaping out of curiosity, not to quit smoking. Found that I smoked only a couple of cigarettes a day. After 2-3 weeks decided there was no point and stopped having those couple a day.
as above
I only used the ecig for a week and use it now very rarely. I take it with me when I’m around heavy smokers
Vaping is not legal in many countries
i just stopped smoking and started vaping
Skimmed to here? That’s fine – I may have as well – there are THOUSANDS more testimonials collected here, including mine, by consumers at CASAA
Reject the claim that “nicotine is tobacco”. It is unacceptable. Nicotine is not addictive without tobacco and MAOI’s – period. So, it is not about nicotine.
Don’t use children.
Despite the Surgeon General’s “report”, smoking and vaping is DOWN.
Use your head. Otherwise, you’re promoting smoking. Period.
Added 01/16/17
A new report finds that people who use e-cigarettes to quit smoking are twice as likely to be successful. The analysis was carried out by the Health Information and Quality Authority as part of a study on the cost-effectiveness of aids to help people quit smoking. Every year the HSE pays out an estimated forty million euro in providing aid for smokers trying to quit. This includes offering support and paying for GP visits and treatments
To the top man in the United States. I am not sure of your status at the moment after a recent released photo, but you are a former or current smoker.
I created this poll with you in mind. I wanted you to see what people think and have to say about their e-cigarette and how it effects them.
Answers ranged from saving lives, giving new hope to cancer survivors and everything in between, I implore you to BE the example globally, I hope you will take a stand in your Presidency and make a change for the better in the deciding factor on e-cigarettes as a safer alternative away from tobacco.
SPEAK Mr. President. Lives are at stake.
I’m briefly going to tell you why.
This very battle, this very issue, Mr. President, the issue over the safety, the effectiveness and the reliability of e-cigarettes may be questioned in your “Former” President years with deeming regulation closing in from the F.D.A.
As I am positive and completely sure you are aware, The tobacco control world is mostly against this device and would like to regulate it. Tax it. Ban it in some instances.
Taxes are already occurring across the country “like tobacco” because of falling funds/taxes from cigarette sales dropping faster than you can drop your smoke when you hear the First Lady coming around the corner.
If nothing else raises your eyebrow and clears the smoke from your eyes, this should:
There is a responsible group of Professional, Medical, Health, Research and Tobacco Control Experts worldwide
who are well aware of the benefits of e-cigarettes over tobacco.
I urge you once again to understand and assess the irresponsible impact both the Centers For Disease Control and Dr. Tom Frieden’s actions may cause with current smokers. They may believe the myth that e-cigarettes are the same.
I implore you to make this an intricate part of the end of your 2nd term legacy as President.
To help curb tobacco use with a positive impact e-cigarettes have for smokers to reduce or eliminate their tobacco use, both for themselves and the way it will influence future generations away FROM tobacco.
The following three comments are from the poll:
Vaping products can not only save the Country money, it creates employment and we know that is needed badly. E-cigarettes have many benefits for the families of smokers through all economic social groups, the big one is less lung disease. More money in in the cookie jar for incidentals, children are feed healthier as less money needed for smokes, no more children sitting in smoke filled rooms. The list goes on far to long. Mr. President help save your people and help fix a portion of the economy, free vaping products to the open market, control the negative communities so all can see the benefits and we all may see an end to smoking in our lifetime
E-cigs are life-savers. They have got to remain freely available, as must the e-liquids for them, yes, including all those wonderful flavors that help so much with quitting smoking. Anything else makes a travesty of the claim to be truly interested in the public’s health
Vaping was the only way I ever actually WANTED to quit smoking. Stop forcing people back onto deadly cigarettes. Its like the war on drugs starting all over only its against nicotine the least addictive part of cigarettes! But they forgot to ever mention that. I couldnt even walk up stairs without being winded & now i can run. I can vape & not smell. I will never smoke again regardless of what happens because im off your chemical cocktail sticks. Why arnt we simply alloud to be happy? We have made serious progress against smoking the government should be aplauding us. Not trying to kill us. This isnt my america. Stop killing & start helping. #vapingsavedmylife
These were the answers: Note, one person chose “It did not work for me”.
Given me freedom from tobacco
227
8.37%
8.37%
Been the only way off of tobacco despite using other “approved” methods”
218
8.04%
8.04%
Need to be kept widely available
216
7.97%
7.97%
Changed my life
212
7.82%
7.82%
It’s NOT tobacco. Should not be regulated as such.
193
7.12%
7.12%
Vaping Saves Lives
193
7.12%
7.12%
Improved the Quality of Life for the people around Me
181
6.68%
6.68%
The potential to almost eliminate tobacco use worldwide
175
6.46%
6.46%
Saved my life
173
6.38%
6.38%
The ability to reduce tobacco use worldwide
171
6.31%
6.31%
Helped my health issues have subsided or gone away.
167
6.16%
6.16%
Saved me a fortune, with the added health bonus .
155
5.72%
5.72%
Given me pleasure
145
5.35%
5.35%
Nicotine for me
140
5.16%
5.16%
I am working my way to no nicotine
118
4.35%
4.35%
No Nicotine for me
16
0.59%
0.59%
Allowed me reduce tobacco use with e-cigarettes, I am a dual user
8
0.3%
0.3%
I am also a throat cancer survivor, Vaping eased in quitting tobacco
2
0.07%
0.07%
Not worked for me
1
0.04%
0.04%
These were more comments:
I totally quit smoking and vapeing
It adds jobs to the job market, and positively affects the economy.
45 years smoking, 2 years Vaping, smoke free
Helped me meet an amazing community of people.
vaping made it possible for me to quit after 30+ yrs!!
gave me freedom over cigarettes
no ugly cigarette butt liter
Been 7 months with no cigarette. Nothing I’ve ever tried has worked until now.
I have beaten tobacco!
53 year smoker who had totally given up even trying to quit. 4.5 years quit now
No longer believe in the creditability of the FDA or CDC.
Hopefully breaking chain of smoking cigarettes in my family, My doctor on board
Extended my days on this planet by 13 months so far. Help us save another life.
former smoker for 25yrs
A new survey is brewing , stay tuned, and as always….
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