Vaping Organizations, Forums & Websites Worldwide.

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Vaping & E-Cigarette Organizations & Forums are the heartbeat of information. Helping smokers make transitions. Helping new vapers understand what’s going on. Helping people, worldwide.

The forums are also places to teach, learn, compare, ask questions, complain, talk about regulations & much more.

They DO exist.

I have quite a few on the left  – and right of this blog for research & science as well.

Some were included. Some I’d never heard of!



If you’re a United States Vaper, please educate yourself.

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.

Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.



From the survey – I asked folks to “click” it if you’d heard of any I had listed –

in no particular order, and these are the results.

Below the “official list” there were comments / links to even MORE worldwide.

Enjoy.


These, in order, were the “most heard of”.

The 50th “question”:

These organizations are in no way sponsoring this survey, they are randomly listed so you know they are available and are for your awareness only. Please check the ones you’ve heard of!



Consumer Group The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (CASAA): http://casaa.org/ 1,247 9.07%
Consumer Forum: E-Cigarette Forum: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ 1,143 8.32%
Consumer Group: Not Blowing Smoke www.notblowingsmoke.org 929 6.76%
Consumer Group: (Vaping Militia) http://www.vapingmilitia.org/ 801 5.83%
Forum: Planet Of The Vapes/UK:https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/ 660 4.8%
Science & Research: Ecigarette Research: http://www.ecigarette-research.org 625 4.55%
Trade / Business Group: Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association (SFATA) http://sfata.org/ 552 4.02%
Forum: UK Vapers : ukvapers.org 524 3.81%
Trade / Business Group: (AVA) American Vaping Association http://vaping.info/ 518 3.77%
Informational: Vapers for Vapers: Vapers.org.uk : http://vapers.org.uk/ 464 3.38%
Medical, Research & Science Professionals–if you are one please join- : Medical Organizations supporting Vaping and Electronic Cigarettes (M.O.V.E.) https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/ 425 3.09%
Vapour Trails TV: http://www.vapourtrails.tv/ 420 3.06%
Consumers: Vapers TV: http://vapers.tv/ 371 2.7%
Political U.K. : Vapers In Power: http://vapersinpower.co.uk/ 326 2.37%
Consumer Group: Tobacco Harm Reduction Association of Canada (THRA) http://www.thra.ca/ 312 2.27%
Informational: Global Forum On Nicotine: (GFN) http://gfn.net.co/ 291 2.12%
Clive Bates: http://www.clivebates.com/ 281 2.04%
Consumer Group: EVUN – European Vapers United Network: https://www.facebook.com/groups/462613220525777/ 278 2.02%
Informational: (U.K.) New Nicotine Alliance (NNA) http://nnalliance.org/ 263 1.91%
Informational: Nicotine & Science Policy: http://nicotinepolicy.net/ 230 1.67%
Trade / Business Group: American E-liquid Manufacturing Standards Association: http://www.aemsa.org/ 226 1.64%
Informational: E-Cigarette Politics: http://www.ecigarette-politics.com/ 226 1.64%
Other Option 210 1.53%
Science: Bernd Mayer: Scientific Views of Nicotine & Tobacco: http://www.bernd-mayer.com/ 205 1.49%
Trade / Business Group: A Vaping Industry Supported Proactive Advocacy (VISTA) http://www.vistatruth.org/ 174 1.27%
Independent Documentary Coming Soon: A Billion Lives: http://abillionlives.com/ 159 1.16%
Trade / Business Group: Electronic Cigarette Industry Trade Association: http://ecita.org.uk/ 159 1.16%
http://www.ectaofcanada.com/ 141 1.03%
Consumer Group: Canadian Vaping Association: http://canadianvapingassociation.org 140 1.02%
Consumer Group: Tennessee Smoke Free Association: http://tnsmokefree.org/ 128 0.93%
Minnesota Vapers Advocacy : http://mnvapers.com/ 111 0.81%
Forum: AAE-C UK: http://allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/ 105 0.76%
Forum: Wacked Out Ecig – Canada: http://www.wackedoutecig.ca/ 101 0.73%
Norwegian Vapers Association: www.norsk-dampselskap.no 98 0.71%
http://www.ecigarette-public.com/ 95 0.69%
The Michigan Smoke-Free Alternatives Coalition (M.S.F.A.C.) https://www.facebook.com/groups/msfac/ 82 0.6%
NDS – Norsk Damp Selskap (Norwegian Vapers Society) http://www.norsk-dampselskap.no/cms/ 82 0.6%
Consumer & advocacy Group : AIDUCE Association Indépendante des Utilisateurs de Cigarette Electronique (France & Belgium) http://www.aiduce.org/ 80 0.58%
NAVB (National Association of Vaping Businesses) http://www.nationalvape.org/ 71 0.52%
Informational: ACVODA: http://www.acvoda.nl/ 70 0.51%
DADAFO – Danish Vapers Association: http://dadafo.dk/ 69 0.5%
Consumer Group: http://helveticvape.ch 68 0.49%
German Vapers: http://germanvapers.com/ 62 0.45%
Forum: Vapen BE : vapen.be 41 0.3%
Irish Vape Vendors Association:  http://www.ivva.ie 37 0.27%
IG-ED (German) http://ig-ed.org/ 34 0.25%
Portuguesa de vaping : http://apvaping.pt/ 24 0.17%
Forum: http://www.e-papierosy-forum.pl/ 23 0.17%
SUEP: www.suep.org.pl 23 0.17%
Rursus: http://blog.rursus.de/ 21 0.15%
Advocate Group – TWVAL Taiwan Vapor Advocacy League: http://twval.org/welcome/ 17 0.12%

These were the others mentioned in the comments:

Links below were not checked for accuracy.



NJVRC – New Jersey Vapor Retailer’s Coalition
Friday, Oct 9th 5:12PM


www.dampforum.nu
Thursday, Oct 8th 3:13AM


www.vapingunderground.com
Wednesday, Sep 30th 8:16PM


https://www.reddit.com/r/Vaping/ ; https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 3:36PM


reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 10:13AM


Florida Smoke Free Association
Sunday, Sep 13th 3:58PM


EECBA trade organisation
Wednesday, Sep 9th 12:29AM


forum:Vaping underground-ecf
Sunday, Aug 30th 7:05AM


Vapers Cafe Australia
Monday, Aug 24th 11:29AM


AcVoDa . nl
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM


New Nicotine Alliance Australia
Saturday, Aug 15th 11:43PM


Aussie Vapers Forum
Saturday, Aug 15th 7:54PM


Vaper Cafe Australia Forum
Saturday, Aug 15th 9:50AM


http://e-rauchen-forum.de
Thursday, Aug 13th 8:20AM


http://www.nevadavaping.org/
Sunday, Aug 2nd 3:17AM


Nevada Vaping Association
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:24PM


EFVI Saturday, Aug 1st 5:08AM
http://www.dampforum.nu
Monday, Jul 27th 4:49PM


dampforum.com
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:25PM


OVAL, Vaping Underground
Friday, Jul 24th 6:30PM


http://www.ecigssa.co.za/
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:04AM


vapemestoopid.co
Sunday, Jul 19th 4:12AM


RY4 Radio
Saturday, Jul 18th 10:10AM


http://vapingunderground.com/
Wednesday, Jul 15th 10:13PM


ECR
Tuesday, Jul 14th 3:50PM


www.epipeforum.com
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM


North West Vapors Association
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM


/r/electronic_cigarette subreddit
Monday, Jul 13th 10:12AM


http://www.dampfertreff.de/
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM


e-pipeforum.org
Monday, Jul 13th 2:41AM


forum.e-liquid-recipes.com, vaping underground, vapers table
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:33PM


http://article20legalchallenge.com
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:14PM


Vapers Finland
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:49PM


CASSA, TEVA
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:39PM


Trip hammer juices
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:21PM


IndorSmookers https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCShPX44-EC3HtvKohu3Ws4A
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:31PM


Nicoticket owner on facebook
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:22PM


ECR, VAPING UNDERGROUND, REDDIT
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:42AM


Eu Voto No Vapor : https://www.facebook.com/euvotonovapor?fref=ts
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:21AM


AEMSA,
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM


Blog: Dr. Michael Siegel – http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:21PM


+55 vapor facebook
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:35AM


Hot shots vapor
Saturday, Jul 11th 10:08AM


Reddit.com/ecr
Friday, Jul 10th 11:58PM


ECTA on facebook
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM




vaping underground forum
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM



I haven’t heard of any.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:00PM


ECF Vaping underground
Wednesday, Jul 8th 11:28AM


Finnvape
Wednesday, Jul 8th 9:21AM


Vapers.fi
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:56PM


Finnish group on facebook “Vapottajat”
Tuesday, Jul 7th 12:38PM


ry4 radio, vapemestoopids blog
Monday, Jul 6th 10:57AM


vapers.fi, esavuke./forum
Monday, Jul 6th 1:33AM


Utah smoke free assoc.
Friday, Jul 3rd 3:26PM


E-savuke.com
Thursday, Jul 2nd 3:43AM


AVF
Wednesday, Jul 1st 7:48PM


Forum: Finnish e-savuke forum http://www.e-savuke.com/vb/
Wednesday, Jul 1st 5:26PM


http://vapers.fi/
Wednesday, Jul 1st 1:47AM


AcVoDa is a Dutch advocacy organization. Not just informational.
Saturday, Oct 10th 6:28AM


As I’m from New Zealand I haven’t heard of any of these, but will be visiting some of these sites out of interest. Thanks!
Saturday, Sep 26th 3:39AM


Reddit.com/ecr
e-cigarette-forum.com
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM


Florida Smoke Free Association
The Vaping Militia
Sunday, Sep 13th 3:58PM


.. Informational: (U.K.) New Nicotine Alliance (NNA) http://nnalliance.org/ ..

Another one for you, created in Australia recently.

Informational: (Aus.) New Nicotine Alliance – Australia (NNA AU) http://nnalliance.org.au/
Saturday, Aug 15th 7:13AM


I don’t know if I’ve been to any of these sites but I did as suggested and copied the list so I can check them out at my leisure…thx!!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM


UK vapers Google+ group
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM



Never heard of any

i’v got evidance from the lancet medical journal that vaping is healthier than smoking were heart and breathing problems are concerned
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM


Forum: www.ecigssa.co.za
Sunday, Jul 19th 5:43AM


I just added our local forum above
You will not find a friendlier more informed bunch than on our forum. Please add to your list.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM




Only a FOOL or a corrupt individual would endorse ANY limitations on vaping – end of story!
Monday, Jul 13th 3:59PM


Electronic Cigarette Forum and the Vaping Underground should also have been included in the choices
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM


to many to click lol
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM



Vapechat on facebook
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:14PM


I am a personal Advocate for epipes in australia.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:43AM


CASSA & the vaping underground
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:18PM


Legal challenge to European court about laws they are trying to bring in. Started by Totally Wicked company.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:14PM


Vaping Underground. Vapers TV, Reddit /r/ECR
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:39PM


http://www.epipeforum.org
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:39PM



There are some this Sealion has never heard of….
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM


Trip hammer juice based in Bournemouth England have a great knowledge of anything to do with vaping, they are not a huge nationwide company and all there juices are made locally. I would advise anyone who vapes or who is curious to go online or go to the shop. I only go there. Trip hammer.co.uk
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:21PM


grimmgreen.com
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:21AM


Vapingunderground.com was a great source of information and had many people willing to answer my questions and point me in the right direction to be being safe.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM


http://vapingiraffe.blogspot.no/ <– in english.

Norwegian blog skypumpen.no
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:25PM



I can only spend so much time researching and looking for new resources. I want to be able to enjoy my life as a vaper.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM


I host on Vapers.tv
Saturday, Jul 11th 10:49AM


I don’t pay attention.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM


Someone posted a link on Giant Vapes facebook page
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:49AM


Etusivu


http://www.e-savuke.com/

Friday, Jul 10th 8:26AM


Vape on! Freedom.
Thursday, Jul 9th 7:32PM


what is in Finland? Can I help somehow?
Tuesday, Jul 7th 11:37AM


vapers.fi is finnish association that try to impel vapers cause in Finland. They interfere misleading coverage and so on.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:58AM



Sorry, gotta go to work so didn’t have time to check the list of sites.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:59AM




Finnish sites
Tuesday, Jun 30th 6:57AM


I am a member of vape tv. It’s a social media site for vapers.
Monday, Jun 29th 6:33PM


I was diagnosed with COPD in Dec 2015 after years of wheezing and chronic bronchitis, weeks a year off work, had to stop exercising… lost so much of my Kids lives due to smoking… started vaping at the suggestion of a nurse friend. Had a lung function test last week my oxygen saturation is 99%, BP is normal, Pulse is back to 50 resting… Im loving life thanks to vaping
Monday, Jun 29th 7:25AM


Has been very helpful to my journey from fags to vaping.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM


Some I am a member of. Other’s have heard of.
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:22PM


Forum http://www.vapercafeaustralia.com/articles/
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:36PM


what about swevapes.se? ^^
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:05PM


http://www.forum-ecigarette.com, le repaire des vapoteurs
is a leading French forum with thousands of vapers from beginners to experts.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM


not much info on it in australia!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:33AM


I am an advocate and a member of several of these groups. Opened our own vape shop in April.
Friday, Jun 26th 10:53AM


ECITA, ECCA (uk trade & consumer associations
respectively)
AAE-C, UKVapers (forums, uk)
Thursday, Jun 25th 6:39AM


The left hand side of this question and its answers is missing and means it is impossible to answer
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:01AM


ECITA!
Thursday, Jun 25th 4:45AM

ACVODA is the group who fights for vaping rights in the dutch language area in belgium and holland
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM


You can visit our website here: http://flsmokefree.org/
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:36PM


I’ve not heard of any of these.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:34PM




Uhhhhh, that’s a bigger list than from a few years ago.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:01AM




All through YouTube videos. None of those are local to me.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 7:40AM
Rursus: http://blog.rursus.de/
Clive Bates: http://www.clivebates.com/
Wednesday, Jun 24th 8:03AM


Have not heard of any of them.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:18AM


http://apvaping.pt/ – this is a portuguese vaping association
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:50AM



The one I added is a Belgian forum I’m part of. It’s quite rare in Belgium to see people using e-cigs, so we’re trying to organize ourselves online, even have meetings from time to time to talk and discuss the newest additions to the world of e-cigs.

Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:58AM


All About E-Cigarettes UK. Consumer forum for all. The person that set up the site originally posted elsewhere and that’s where I discovered about ecigs.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:49AM


Consumer Group: National Vapers Club: www.vapersclub.com
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM


Ash UK.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:12PM


dampforum.nu
dampersprotest.stoprokenvandaag.nl
esigbond.nl
acvoda.nl
stoprokenvandaag.nl
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:13PM


I think I have read/heard of them all.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:24AM


ECTA – Canadian ecig trade association
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 2:33PM


The Vape A Vet Project: https://vapeavet.org/
Florida Smoke Free Association: http://www.flsmokefree.org/
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM



UK Vapers forum,
Planet of the vapes forum
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:24PM


ECF is a joke run by egotistical asshats.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:37AM


ECTA – Electronic Cigarette Trade Association
ECITA – Electronic Cigarette Industry Trade Association
Minnesota Vapers Advocacy
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:19AM


Thank you! I hope this helps me keep my right to vape and buy my products from my local vape shop without government taxes and them trying to change what I can or can’t buy and taking my had earned money and spending it on their own personal billshit !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:25AM


Although I’ve heard of Vaping Militia, I don’t like their name as it has negative connotations.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:02AM


I am definitely looking these guys up! Thanks!!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM


https://www.facebook.com/groups/vapinglisboa/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/PortugalVaping/
https://www.facebook.com/AssociacaoPortuguesadeVaping?fref=ts
http://apvaping.pt/
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:22AM


I’d have thought ECITA would merit a mention here too…..
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:06AM



Norsk Dampselskap (norwegian vaping association) aiduce french
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:50AM


Consumer group (France & Belgium): AIDUCE http://aiduce.org
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:50AM


I am a french vaper, so i’m more into our own networks/blogs/scientists …
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:22AM


I am a member of EVUN as a representative of a national (Czech) vapers organization
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:34AM


Dr Farsalinos
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:26AM


TSFA
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 2:44AM


A major shout out to ECF & CASAA, there from the beginning!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:32AM


I maintain:
Facebook pages:
California vaping Advocacy
NorCal Vaping Advocacy
Lake Of Vape
My own site of collected materials I have made, read and/or shared.
LakeOfVape.com
Monday, Jun 22nd 9:55PM


I am on twitter, facebook and blog reader regarding e cig. I get notifications for most of what is coming out in regards to vaping and I pass on what I can to people that need it. I belong to ECF as well..you didn’t list that one. I follow many that are fighting the battle for all of us.
Monday, Jun 22nd 4:00PM


And we can’t forget the worlds largest e-cigarette forum (ECF).
Monday, Jun 22nd 5:00PM

*** http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/



These organizations are doing great work for the future of mankind…
Monday, Jun 15th 6:29PM


If you’d like to add to this list, please leave a comment below!

More to come –

Please see my site – a work in progress: VapingLinks.com

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

“Big Tobacco” Brand E-Cigarettes. What Experts Think.

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All the “experts” pretending “big tobacco” is gaining a foothold on e-cigarettes. Politicians. Doctors. Public Health. Government. Makes me think that’s what they’re hoping for.

People who don’t have anything better to do to get a tweet for attention – on something they know next to NOTHING about.



I started with a “Krave” – cigalike – and it worked at first  – GOT me to quit smoking. Within a month, I was on – and still use at the moment – an ego style setup. I’m for whatever works. To each his own. It matters not the method, it matters the outcome.

In my opinion, they have a (brief) place in the market, but are only a stepping stone to a better experience with the 2nd, 3rd and now 4th generation e-cigarettes.


As a question to all the “experts”, if the tobacco companies have low success rates with their “style”, what do you think people will do? They’ll go back to smoking.

A follow up: If they won’t tell us what is in cigarettes, what makes you think they’d tell us what’s in their e-cigarette products?


If YOU VAPE, Before you go any further – before you read another line go HERE.




Vapers are speaking out on “tobacco” brand / style e-cigarettes.

Here’s what the last 100 said on the latest survey. No edits to the question:

Do you (or did you) use a “Tobacco Company” brand E-cigarettes?

These are the experts answers.

18latest


They have their place in the market. “Vapor” Cigarettes most definitely have their place in the market as well!
Friday, Oct 9th 5:12PM

I would rather die than give another single red cent to a tobacco company.
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM

They was the first type i tried and they almost discouraged me from trying again, but i did and the mod was a lot more effective
Thursday, Oct 1st 9:22PM

Tobacco Company’s are Legally killing people, I would either like to return the favour or see them jailed.
Tuesday, Sep 29th 6:40PM

I think the tobacco companies have had enough of my money. I would rather support a local vape store that is focused on harm reduction/health and who can show they are using quality ingredients.
Saturday, Sep 26th 3:39AM


They have received enough money from me.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM

I do not trust these people at all. I researched the crap they add to the tobacco and I don’t know how they sleep at night. Shame on big tobacco, shame on the FDA
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM

First one i tried, was super strong and made me feel sick. I do not recommend them to anyone.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM

Knowing what I know now, I’d NEVER direct a new vaper to anything related to BT! It won’t work for them and even if it does, it is still lining the pockets of people who want to take away the stuff that actually DOES work for the majority of people!
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:02AM


When quitting tobacco I wanted to quit everything about it and wanted NO association with them at all.
I do not associate vaping with smoking. It is not the same thing.
Sunday, Sep 20th 11:04AM


I somehow believe that cigalikes have their mission. They are not so different from smoking ( visual and taste), so for some who try to quit smoking, they can be beneficial. But in the long run, they are not good enough
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM


I started with cig-a-likes by premium ecigs. I don’t believe they are big tobacco. I then switched to ego batteries and tanks using juice made by independents
Friday, Sep 11th 2:03PM


Tried them 2 years before I quit cigarettes. Laughably ineffective. Now that I vape real setups I refuse to give tobacco companies the time of day
Friday, Aug 28th 8:26AM

These ones are terrible. Try to act like a cigarette too much.
Tuesday, Aug 11th 7:10PM


Coworkers were unsuccessful with Vuse, so I avoided wasting more money to the Tobacco companies myself.
Friday, Aug 7th 11:05AM

I don’t trust them not to mess with the contents of the eliquid to try and make it more addictive. Nic outside of tobacco has very weak reinforcing properties – it’s the mix of chems in cigs that makes it so addictive in cigarettes.
Tuesday, Aug 4th 7:15AM

I believe I moved from the mark 1 ‘cigarette-like’ e-cigs prior to their acquisition by the tobacco companies
Tuesday, Aug 4th 3:59AM

I believe i have been lied to for far too long by tobacco companies who in my opinion bend the truth to their own financial ends
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:43PM

never purchased one, tried my friends but didn’t like them.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:43PM

Besides that I didn’t know I don’t think I would want to …I’ve paid them enough already to try to kill me with all that tobacco garbage.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM


I have heard many poor reviews from reputable sources that I’ll never try one and I don’t want to support big tobacco.
From an advanced/hobby vaping perspective they are junk.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 12:14PM

By the time I tried Vuse, I had lost my taste for tobacco so I didn’t like it. Blu did not provide enough nicotine and at the point I tried it did not offer flavors.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 11:11AM


they got me hooked young, but no longer buy ant tobacco company products and neaver will again
Tuesday, Jul 28th 10:57AM

Fuck that, they’ve had enough outa me… I’m surprised I’m still alive thanks to them dirty mother fuckers!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM

I used the Frii system. I have no idea if they are affiliated but I would not knowingly use a device that is tied to the tobacco industry.
Monday, Jul 27th 3:30AM

both were horrible
Sunday, Jul 26th 10:16AM

Use them in a pinch
Sunday, Jul 26th 8:19AM

Tobacco companies should give them away for all the lives they have helped destroy. At last stop selling tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 26th 7:16AM

They are weak and VERY expensive!
Saturday, Jul 25th 11:24PM

Tried the Vuse and the Njoy cigalikes, but they were inefftective and tasted bad. I didn’t know at that time they were owned by Big Tobacco. I’ll never give them my money again.
Saturday, Jul 25th 8:50PM

Very rarely see anyone who successfully quits using cig-alikes. Anyone I’ve met that says they tried them – I recommend using a 2nd or 3rd gen pen or mod from a reputable store with quality e-juice. All have a far more successful outcome.
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM

If .you batteries die I’ll buy one of them before I get a pack of cigarettes.
Saturday, Jul 25th 9:45AM

Tobacco companies don’t offer a product that will let you ADEQUATELY reduce your nicptone gradually… unless you count their AWFUL ego knockoffs.
Friday, Jul 24th 11:39PM

i tried a disposeable one from tesco that was supposed to look and feel like a real cigarette it was too big and heavey in my fingers but taste wise it was ok
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM

I used V2 to start but was spending almost the same as smoking
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM

I actually stuck with a Blu for a long time till I realized it wasn’t meant to be good.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:05PM

The tobacco companies only put out the closed system pen style systems. I don’t want tobacco flavors and I want control over what I put in it. I don’t want to be stuck buying overpriced, inferior, uncleanable components from only them.
Sunday, Jul 19th 11:12AM

No – they are horrible and horribly made FOR A REASON – to keep people smoking…
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM

These are crap!
I would never try them even at free. I have when I didn’t know better. Knowledge is power.
Sunday, Jul 19th 8:54AM

I had a Vuse on my trip, and it was nice to give me that cigarette feel that I was used to, but it’s not customizable, and you can’t charge it with other e-cig chargers or refill the cartomizer tank with any of your favorite e-liquids. I happened to be in Colorado when I got it and enjoyed the mint and was sorely disappointed to see it wasn’t available in Florida. Plus it just seems super expensive for what it is. It’s okay for a cigarette replacement, but it doesn’t entice people to make the switch, I don’t think.
Saturday, Jul 18th 11:10PM

never again
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM

I’ve tried Mark Ten, but the taste wasn’t good and the mouthpiece heated up and burned my lip. I didn’t use it much, but I still have it. I bought it bc they sent me a coupon for a free one.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM

I seem to be allergic to something in the Logic brand, whenever I use them I get congested, sneeze a bunch and get headaches. Now I use organic e-juice and don’t have those problems.
Thursday, Jul 16th 8:11AM

Only tried one several years ago when travelling. Was not Impressed and resumed looking for outside places to smoke…
Tuesday, Jul 14th 10:21PM

We found a great, locally owned vape shop.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 2:04PM

I no longer use Blue or MarkTen but those are the ones I first tried.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM


I can’t stress this enough, I will not support big tobacco anymore. There is one big exception though: if big tobacco would join the market in a meaningful way and specialize in producing extracted tobaccos or nicotine concentrate, while at the same time supporting the change to vaping with their lobbying, I might reconsider.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM


If I can help it I avoid tobacco owned products. For the most part that I am aware of the the tobacco companies do not make the style devices that I use anyway. I personally feel that vaping needs to be seen as a stand alone and having tobacco companies getting involved makes it hard. Vaping is NOT smoking and it needs to not be seen as such
Monday, Jul 13th 4:45PM

The tobaco companies put out ecigs to have them fail and be expensive to get smokers to give up on ecigs and vaping and go back to smoking thier tobaco products again.
Monday, Jul 13th 4:52PM

The e-cigarettes made my tobacco companies are literally disguisting. They basically make you want a real cigarette as soon as you use one.
Monday, Jul 13th 4:28PM

I know they do the vuse, and other cig a likes I will not spend another dime on an industry set on destroying companies and mom/pop shops. Makes me angry
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM

I received a coupon for a free MarkTen starter kit. It was unsatisfying and frustrating. Then, someone gave us a coupon for a Haus starter kit and some ejuice … I was HOOKED! After that, I found a whole world of vaping and mods and flavored juice …
Monday, Jul 13th 3:59PM

BIG TOBACCO SUCKS, I wouldn’t give them the time of day. THEY have killed half my family with those stupid coffin nails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 3:29PM

They are only marginally effective, the way advanced devices have progressed they have missed the boat IMO
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM

Most tasted like asphalt. Sticking with my fruit and dessert flavors.
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM

Who makes ELites? I don’t know. But that didn’t work for me anyway.
Monday, Jul 13th 11:54AM

They were SO SHIT. I cannot emphasize this enough.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM

While they were not effective for me, if they work to help a person to stop smoking they have their place.
Monday, Jul 13th 9:36AM

Started with NJoy cig-alike. Battery and atomizer life was not adequate to fulfill my needs. This device made me more addicted to nicotine due to high nicotine levels in their pre-filled atomizers.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:28AM

I have given them enough money. All they ever gave me was health problems and grief. I’ll never give tobacco companies another penny.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:09AM

Tobacco companies hadn’t really gotten into the e-cigarette market when I started vaping. By the time they did, I had moved on to the Ego.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:33PM


I refuse to give anymore of my money to tobacco companies. They’ve had a stranglehold on people for far too long!
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:14PM

I tried a few with free coupons (I refuse to give more money to tobacco companies). None of them worked and they tasted disgusting.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:30PM

Only used one day. It stated that one would last for about a day or equal to a pack of cigs. Lasted about three hours then died.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:17PM

Used it when I first got out of Basic Training as I didn’t have access to my APV from home and had already fallen back to cigarettes.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:48PM

the cigalike types i have tried never gave me close to what i needed to quit smoking and made me want a cigarette rather than to quit smoking.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:21PM

Tried the MarkTen only in a study I participated in.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:11PM

I tried a vuse one time and it made me sick. I threw it away!
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:54PM

Blu didn’t work for me. I was still smoking until I bought the Ego in November of 2013.
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:42PM

I did not use them… my husband did and once we found out that Big Tobacco had bought them out and were the ones producing them did not trust them to be safe because of not trusting the Big Tobacco and did not want to give Big Tobacco any more of our money
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM

They didn’t work for me because they were WAY TOO STRONG. They were 18mg, and I was used to about 4mg.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:31PM


Tried the Blue not knowing that big tobacco produced them. Didn’t do a thing for me. I did like the blue glow at night but that was all I liked about it.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:29PM


From everything I have heard from fellow vapers, the tobacco company brand e cigs are disgusting. That statement from a friend who vapes and tried one of those digital ecigs. He said it was the absolute worse tasting, less vapor, less everything ecig he had ever tried. Which imparted to me that I will not now, nr will I ever try or use one of those things. Even if the FDA bans ecigs, guess I’ll be an outlaw an use everything I have now. At worse I’ll go back to my tubular mech mods and use all my attys on them, I will NOT go to a tobacco company’s brand of ecig.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM

Blu before they were bought out, then changed as they were very expensive
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:34PM

If you run out of batteries or juice, they are cheap and available at most late night shops in London. So they come in handy at times.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:20PM

was not really happy with this one, too weak of a draw and bland flavor. I don’t know if this type can really help people quit as well.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:20PM

I tried one. It tasted like garbage. Can’t remember the brand.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:07PM

They ended up being the same price as cigarettes in the end-that’s something I can’t afford. They’re also extremely dissatisfying. There are better batteries that last longer and replaceable/refillable cartridges in the independent side of the industry that perform better and are cheaper in the end for the consumer.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM

It didn’t work.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:28PM

The ones that look like cigs did nothing for me
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:00PM

Tried a couple found they taste like crap. Didn’t even realize they were made by tobacco companies at the time.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:23AM

Some people are anxious to stray too far from what they are comfortable with so a cig a like would be beneficial to them for a short time
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:50AM

The very first time way back. I believe they were from Reynolds, but don’t see the name here. As I said, I believe one problem was the nicotine level was too low. Also the batteries died quickly and were expensive to replace.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM

tobacco company didn’t produce any when i first started e-cigs
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:09AM

I tried a couple of puffs from a ” blu” e-cig. It was gross!! I don’t want to taste tobacco flavor anymore!!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM

The first 3 months I used tobacco flavor, Virginia tobacco, but changes to sweets and fruit flavors.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM

was not satisfied with them
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM

I have a local vape shop and went there. They have their own line of juices plus offer several well known small batch USA made juice brands. I started early so the brands listed were not available at the time I started vaping, and I have no interest in “cig-alikes” because I find they do not have the power I need to enjoy vaping.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM


Tried an NJOY cigalike
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:21PM

I don’t support the companies that are trying to label vaping as smoking. Just by definition it’s not the same.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM


I was already on a tank style but suggested them to my husband. When he bought the Mark 10 I tried it- it was gross!
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:32PM

I do not think the cig a likes I first started in were make by Big tobacco like Blu’s are but they could have been. I consider them to be a bit of a scam for people just trying to quit.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM

Not tasted more of them!
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM


The vuse has 48% nic in it. Can we say way over kill even with that high nic it was not satisifying and just made me feel like crap.
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:33PM

Tobacco companies have had enough of my money over the years. I encourage others not to buy big tobacco brands for the same reasons.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM

Sent off for free sample of Vype (I think) stashed away as a back up emergency use only
Saturday, Jul 11th 11:10AM

I tried the Blu years ago and they did nothing for me… I didnt like the flavor and the hit was horrible!
Saturday, Jul 11th 11:47AM


I despise big tobacco. I will never buy any product from them at any cost. They are amongst the most corrupt businesses in the world.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM

The flavor was nasty.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:47AM

They were terrible. Bad taste and so behind on technology
Friday, Jul 10th 11:47PM

There you have it. “Big Tobacco” from #Vapers. Imagine, if their “style” is the only thing available, they win either way.

If they’re the only thing available, and they’re not effective – then people go back to smoking.

Some are worried about this. Well, that’s what they want!

 

bigtobacco


Thanks to you who took the survey!


Research on ECIGS is well published and available  HERE and HERE

Medical Professionals are HERE


A work in perpetual progress: Vapinglinks.com

More to come – including the final analysis of the last survey!
Keep On #Vaping On
Kevin.

E-Cigarette Regulations And Concerns

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The United States has “deeming” regulations waiting to be unleashed to the world.

The “Office On Management & Budget” has it in their hands.

This multifaceted issue has MANY angles and very serious consequence.


Before you go any further – before you read another line go HERE.


Wait, budget? Wait. Not health? Not science? Budget? Huh. What does this office know about health? What does it have to do with budget?

If they are deemed tobacco, they want taxes.

I’ve said “Regulate, Restrict, Tax & Ban“.

It already has happened around the world.

Here & Here.

I’ll shut up and let you talk:


I asked about regulations & concerns on the latest survey.

Are there regulations or other concerns you would like to see addressed with e-cigarettes?

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Here’s just the last one hundred ~unedited~ comments from that question:

Difficult one. I do not need to know the ingredients as long they are “save” or maybe whe there are alergies involved. No sales to minors is a hard one too. it should not be harder then buying tobacco, if it would be, they would start smoking. There is alot of false information out there to just keep people on the cigaret, we need to address this. I am pro-everything about vaping, as long it is saver then smoking and makes people switch from smoking to ecigs.
I actually don’t mind if the eqliquid would be temporarily taxed as tobacco because that can compensate the governments for loss of income due to people quitting smoking. But it’s patently stupid that the TPD article 20 implies a tax on atomisers, coils, mouthpieces, etc. While in the same document pipes and pipe paraphinalia are exempt.
Product testing should be mandatory. For the cost spread out over many thousands of orders, the cost per consumer would be very small.
I would definately like to see the manufacture of fake products stopped. Sadly my very first vape pen from a local shop turned out to be a cheap Chinese knock off. Very disappointed as the safety aspect of an electrical device concerned me. Since researching I now know what to look for when buying new products to ensure I only buy genuine products.
From my month in this community, I am so impressed with the majority of juice makers. They are mostly very pro active in being extremely responsible. They label their bottles, watch for certain chemicals that are proven harmful, have childproof containers, and many other responsible behaviors. If I saw an irresponsible vendor, I would not purchase from them and that is the mentality of the majority of the community. We basically self police.
Most notably — More research on the ingredients in flavorings such as diacetyl and the like.
I am fine with some regulations ore rules for juice manufacturers , but not let them regulate this as it was tobacco. They have nothing to do with each other whatsoever
VERY scary how many OH two months vaping – LETS OPEN A VAPE SHOP/Sell ELIQUID ABUNDANT !
I as virtually all vapers agree restrict sale to minors, expecially with nicotine liquids, that ones a no brainer.
The bans and taxes on tobacco and smoking are from the health effects relating to it, vaping has been proven to not have these effects, more so no ‘second hand effects’ so any bans should be considered carefully and taxes should not be at the levels that tobacco is, it should be at levels that standard products are in each country.
There are many people and organisations who benefit from the money spent within tobacco, it’s prevention and health treatments. They have much to lose from e-cigarettes killing off tobacco smoking but this should be treated as it is, money grabbing with no care for human life.It would be great to see the quality and safety of all things in relation to this have some form of regulation, this would make it safer for all users.The amount of mis-information that is constantly sprouted by those who appose e-cigarettes is disgusting, when did it become acceptable that ‘people in powerful positions’ are purposefully lying to suit their own agenda, especially at the expense of peoples lives.
i want e-sig legalized in norway
When I say I have concerns about some of these things, I do not want to give the impression that I agree with all of these statements, in some cases I disagree. For example, putting vapers into the same class as smokers in public is totally wrong and discriminatory for no reason other than ignorance. Other things like safety, yes, definitely.
Ejuice manufacture needs to be regulated, we’ve shown that we are irresponsible, many people adopt a posture of don’t knock it will attract negative attention. The FDA will discover Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin in certain ejuices. Either we sort it out or we will be forced to by governments. There needs to be a witch hunt, greedy self seeking manufactures of potentially dangerous ejuices need to be exposed. Everybody deserves the right to know what’s in their product and any associated health risks.
Your body can recover from smoking over many years, once poisoned buy certain ejuices there is no recovery, short of transplant or death.
I’m very concerned with the government getting involved and we’re taxed enough!
I’m intelligent enough to only buy from a reputable dealer concerned with quality control.
Vaping should be allowed in public places but I respectfully ask when it’s indoors. Outdoors is a different story.
The media lies, period.
Taking too much nicotine causes nausea. Anyone (child) who overdoses
by mistake will suffer an unpleasent reaction.
I no longer trust the CDC. I no longer trust the FDA nor any state health dept. nor any health assn. or organization that gets their funding from pharmaceutical companies or from the tobacco MSA funds. I have concluded that keeping their jobs is more important to them than saving lives.
I’m mostly happy with normal consumer regulations –

Most manufaturers of E-Liquid do use childproof caps.

My concern is mainly that some eliquid manufacturers will ruin it for all with using childlike branding (saw on using minions on bottle) and concerned about certain liquid manufacturers using unsafe additives in their liquid (and proclaiming that their liquid was free of these additives) in spite of the issues with said additives being Known *cough*Five pawns*cough*

But you find those types in any area of business unfortunately.

Where i purchase from they are pretty well protected against children in regards to child proof caps. I would like to see less flashy lables. I would also like to note that people are all up in arms saying children would try it. I have three children and three others I am responsible for sometimes. I always reinforce that this is not for them and that I don’t want them to try it. It is the parents responsibility to educate their children on this issue.
I agree with child proof containers and nicotine level labeling. I fear the government will over regulate the industry out of existence or into big tobacco’s control.
The vapor community has done a very good job of self-regulation as far as demanding quality from those that wish to manufacture any component in the industry. This is why vape products are exponentially safer and better made today than they were when they first arrived on the market. We do not need government involvement.

The only taxes that apply should be the common consumer tax we pay on common goods. There should be NO ‘sin tax’ applied.

Government, Public Health & Tobacco Control should be promoting e-cigarettes, The BEST Cure for smoking, and the Health of citizens, rather than being worried about the Health of thier Funding Bank Accounts from the loss of Tobacco Tax & TSA funds. To out-right LIE about e-cigarettes to keep people smoking is nothing short of “Murder for Money”!!
Safety in ALL products and no selling to minors. Taxation is OK in my opinion.

Safety in all products does NOT mean banning drippers or tanks that can leak etc. Safety means quality control, battery safety and proper warnings in batteries and liquids. Tanks and etc are just pieces of metal; why would we need to ban or regulate them?

The state of Arkansas is regulating e-cigarettes and is planning to tax the products they have banned all e-liquid sales from outside of the state stopped and licenses must be obtained to sale e-liquid to stores in the state and can not be sold to individuals. I feel this is a violation of my rights as a vaper and should not be allowed.
With Science & Research is meant to let someone do research on E-Cigarettes who actually know what he/she does.

Irresponsible, false, misinterpreted or one-sided reports should be forbidden and should be done by “experts” that actually know what they are talking about (same as Science & Research)

The vaping community self police themselves! We’ve come this far without any interference from the government, look where we are already!
Unbiased research needs to continue to be done about e-cigs. The propaganda used to scare people away from ecigs based on lies or inaccurately expressed information needs to stop.
Can get our nicotine from eggplants that make it not tobacco right?
Sometimes I don’t know which reports to believe. There are scientists and medical opinions both for and against the use of E-cigs and the media seems to promote the negative side most often.
all vapors agree that childproof bottles and no sales to minors are a must!
Most Regulations have already been self imposed by Electronic Vapour companies. I would like to see the real articles about vaping shown in media.
It’s not tobacco, it should NOT be treated as such. Tobacco companies need to worry about their cigs and step out of the ecig space. Although I do understand…. They are losing money…. Big time!
only the vapes with nicotine content should any of my choices apply to
I do not care for the cartoon character labels or names. I do not like the way some of the vendors are using sex to sell their product. I do not like the way many who are making videos cussing and close to porno.

I do like the variety of flavors available. I use a minimum of 2 tanks at all times to provide a variety for my taste buds. 🙂 There was a question asked in one of the groups I belong to regarding scanning ID and sending it to vendors when ordering/winning contests. I do feel this is going to be necessary to cover everyone’s butts. I know a teen can “borrow” a parent’s ID and credit card but at least the vendor has used caution and tried to prevent underage usage.

I would like to see e-liquid manufacturers disclose all ingredients on their bottles. A lot already do, so I tend to buy from those that do.
Governments lose money when people stop smoking, however they do not see the gain from not having as many sick people. Governments will do anything to get more money out of it’s sheeple – stand up for your right to vape and be healthy.
I don’t think regulations should be too expansive. I would like to see some research done on the inhalation of ingredients in various flavors. I think this would benefit the vape industry, really, to do this on their own a little. The main example is the diacetyl which should probably never be inhaled, but since it is “food grade,” it has been used for this purpose.

I really want a variety of flavors but not at the expens of my lungs collapsing or something.

It should absolutely NOT be taxed like tobacco because it’s nothing like tobacco. It doesn’t look, smell, taste, feel, burn, grow in a field, or resemble tobacco in any way whatsoever.
I would like people to stop calling them cigarettes. There is no tobacco !
I have been going through peer reviewed scientific studies for more than 7 months. You’ve read skewed facts, good science used under unrealistic conditions to get negative data. I am also aware of how the tests have been conducted, where & under who’s funding & direction.
You may choose to believe what you want. The great thing about science though is, it does not require belief or faith or opinion. It is true regardless. If you choose alarmist language & emotional pleas you are choosing to be willfully ignorant. Many do, that’s why Nth America Is falling behind the rest of the world in science & technology.
Consumer safety is important with all products. The use of e cigarettes should be regulated for youth, similar to cigarettes, alcohol and gambling.
Note that I am not concerned in any way with how the e cig market works, and I’m sure there are plenty of safety regulations in place, but the more research and safety the better.
Concerns that the FDA will pull my products off the market while they regulate them, which may force me to go back to cigarettes. This is a huge concern for me because I don’t want to go back to cigarettes and I don’t feel ready to fully quit nicotine yet.
The UK is already very strict with labeling and childproof bottles.
Some comments step by step:
1) No Sales to minors. This is obvious, anyone not allowed to buy tobacco products shouldn’t be allowed to buy vaping equipment and e-liquids. This is a tricky one, however. Whatever way the government chooses to regulate this, it should never be a burden to the seller. Full stop. If it gets in the way of the seller, the industry will die out. This is already happening in Texas, take note. Maybe the best way to handle this issue would be to allow e-liquid purchases only with a centralized, credited service – such as any credit card as a credit card shouldn’t be in the hands of a minor (parents’ responsibility). Or with an identity confirmed account at Paypal.
2) Warnings on bottles. These warnings should include “keep away from children” and “do not drink”. And there should be a booklet on battery safety for rebuildable atomizers and unregulated mods.
3) Quality control on liquid manufacturing. We need third party testing and readouts on the label.
4) Science and Research. This is the single biggest issue we are facing. We need researchers who are educated enough to actually do research on e-cigarettes. You don’t have the dentist operate on your cancer, right? Revenue from e-cigarette taxation could go directly into this research area.
5) Taxation. E-cigarettes are not tobacco and therefore shouldn’t be taxed like it. But we have to ask ourselves, why do we have a special tobacco tax anyway? Because of the damage done to public health. Therefore, e-cigarettes shouldn’t be taxed at all… but this will never happen, so I’d suggest using the standard tax, such as 19% in Germany. Tax revenue should be used for research, liquid controlling and programs to help tobacco users quit or switch to e-cigarettes.
6) Media “experts”. Those are not only a problem with e-cigarettes… People working in the media are responsible for finding the real experts, people who actually know what they’re talking about. Western media have failed to do their job, mostly.
7) Childproof caps. In fact, this is already industry standard. Personally I have never seen a bottle that wasn’t childproof.
8) Motives to restrict and/or ban them. This is a big social issue, so I won’t go into the details here.
9) Battery safety. There are enough resources on the Internet to write a standardized booklet on battery safety to be sold with every battery purchase.
10) Labeling with trademark infringements. There is one problem that people tend to forget – your local B&M might be just as unaware of his source’s selling “clones” (fake products). The management of products with copyright infringement is an old issue in policy making, so there is no real need to discuss this at length here.
11) Ingredients and nicotine strength on the label. In fact, I haven’t seen any e-liquid bottle that failed to meet these requirement, but it should become law.
12) The most important policy issue that needs to get addressed NOW, is that vaping is NOT smoking. This needs to be specified in law. We have to rethink why we prohibit vaping in certain places – I could understand a ban in hospitals, kindergartens and cockpits, but a ban in planes, cars, homes, office buildings, trains and so on does not make any sense at all as no one is at risk or has his/her freedom infringed severely.
I would like to see common sense used and for propoganda against vaping shown for what it really is. I would like to see it set aside from tobacco as it has nothing to do with tobacco because it is NOT tobacco. I would like to see the industry be able to self regulate like any other new industry and I’d like for people to be able to choose what they want instead of being forced by governemt and big tobacco to do what they want us to do. I agree with the need for safety precautions in respect of device handling but that is the same with any battery powered device there needs to be education and caution in handling practises. If there is a need for taxation it needs to be sensible not extortion and I would like to see a stop to the constant shutting of vape shops due to unfair regulation.
If taxing my juice makes it legal. Go nuts. I’d rather pay more for some amazing element juice than be puffing away on a cigalike
We never want these to be vaped by children we all as vapors agree on that. however the way the FDA and state/local governments are handling this is irrisponsable. Starting Jan 1 2016 we will be more regulated then traditional tabacco. you cannot vape in a vape shop after jan 1 yet you can smoke in cigar bars and cigarette stores….THATS INSANE!!!
Vaping is the way out of smoking that medical science and government have been wanting for 50+ years. Their opposition to it is baffling.
as vaping is water vapour it doesnt cause harm to others by passive vaping. indoors i understand as a big cloud can be annoying. i don’t believe vaping in public spaces need to be banned. as an ex smoker most will find the vapers still go outside anyway!
I don’t mind being a part of the long term population-level study that has been going on, but quality control on all manufacturing of everything from liquids to batteries would be good. As nicotine is a real drug it should not be available to under 18s
I find the argument that the flavors and packaging is attracting minors to vape absolutly ridiculous and borderline insulting to adults who vape. if the bottle has child proof caps and if the liquid cannot be sold to people under 18 then it should matter whats on the bottle
I agree that products should be in clearly labelled, child-proof containers and like any other product containing or potentially containing nicotine it should not be sold to minors.
IT IS NOT TOBACCO!!!
E-cigs and the juices for them are NOT “tobacco” products! Nicotine can be found in other plants that we consume on a regular basis other than tobacco.. The flavors are a HUGE benefit to the success of e-gigs and are NOT marketed to children in ANY way! Adults like stuff that tastes good too! Any reputable company has already put in place their OWN regulations to avoid selling to minors or keeping children safe.. Parents MUST take responsibility and stop blaming everyone else for their mistakes or failures in keeping their children safe! As long as the bottles come with child proof caps, warnings and shrink wrapped bands, once the bottle leaves the facility, it is no longer the responsibility of the manufacturer.. Accidents do happen and we as parents need to prevent them as much as we can..
vaping is the best alternative to smoking and should not be restricted by the government but maybe they could put a small tax on liquids to help the economy
The vaping industry is very good at regulating itself. All the juices I buy from a shop are labelled and have child resistant lids. All vendors I know and have dealt with have a strict “no under 18’s” policy.
Should be controlled to some degree as the liquid nicotine can be an irritant, but it certainly is not tobacco and does not harm others around me.
I believe regulations will strangle innovation and make a lufe saving device unaffortable. I believe that the same regulations other consumer items go through is sufficient.
Health and governmental agencies should ALWAYS AND ONLY provide true accurate information. If research is being done it needs to be conducted as users actually use the product and all information should be provided to include the item being used, how it was used, how it was monitored, outcomes, and conclusions. The false and one sided information is sad and educated users of vaping products know a poorly done study when we see one. We are not idiots, we know what we are doing.
I do not think that liquid or devices should be sold to minors, but I also don’t think that it’s a serious issue. Kids/teens don’t seem to be particularly drawn to vaping anymore than they are to smoking/chewing (less and less, IMO) and the concern about marketing to kids seems like a false one. That is, “think of the children” seems to be an excuse to restrict vaping in order to protect the profits/sales/use of traditional tobacco.
It’s in it’s infancy. I have my guesses about what research will show, but I’m interested to see.
Five the government an inch to regulate and they’ll tame 10 miles in a few years
I believe electronic cigarettes and e-liquid research, quality control, regulation, and taxation should not interfere with the vast number of users who have finally found a way to quit smoking. I believe that this is not an unreasonable expectation.
my biggest issue is misrepresentation by less than ethical companies. false/misleading battery ratings, false chemical analysis of liquids, etc. most vape shops already refuse sale to minors regardless of a lack of laws, and most liquid companies[that i deal with] already package in “childproof” containers
it isnt taxed and we know the govt
and big tobacco are losing millions
from that.
And they don’t like it one bit.
The tobacco industry is a huge player in this and has the financial ability to lobby to make it more difficult for people to quit their products, thus making it more difficult to vape.
Strong quality control is critical to the industry’s long-term viability, as is concrete research supporting what many users (myself included) already expect – that e-cigarettes are an effective smoking cessation tool that while not without risk, are almost certainly less harmful than tobacco
It cannot legally be taxed as a cigarette because it is not a cigarette. It should be taxed as its food grade ingredients. Bbq sauce that has Jack Daniels in it is not taxed as alcohol.
Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin should be researched more for prolonged exposure in vaping and labeling required by any ejuice containing them
I think ecigs/vaping do need a little regulation but not as much as they are doing. The industry regulates itself… most reputable companies already applied the use of child proof caps, warnings and ingredients listed and also have restricted sales to minors. I disagree with sales restrictions of non nicotine liquid to minors as it could help prevent them from trying regular cigarettes from the get go and could also help those teens that already smoke quit by switching to non nicotine vaping liquids. I think a parent should be able to talk to their kids doctor and get a note from the doctor OKing a smoking teen to purchase and use an ecig/vaping product to help them quit. I do not agree with the vaping/ecigs ban in public places and them being treated the same as tobacco cigarettes and being legislated as and grouped in with tobacco products since it is not a tobacco product. It is as much a tobacco product as Eggplant and other vegetables are which also contain nicotine naturally. I think the cig-a-likes that are produced by Big Tobacco should be regulated since they are produced by Big Tobacco who have shown that they are deceitful and unscrupulous with their methods and practices. But Mods and Vape Pens and USA made eliquids from reputable suppliers should be left alone with the basic regulations that are for child proof caps, ingredients and warnings on the labels. Liquids from foreign countries should be tested and regulated since other countries may have different standards. My concerns are more about this product being repressed and over regulated to the point that it makes it impossible for the small companies to do business and then making it difficult for people to obtain and use these products.
I only partially agree with ‘taxed like tobacco”; It should be partially taxed as a nicotine product (patches , gums, etc.) not as tobacco product, as long as the e-juice has nicotine. If the juices have 0mg nicotine then they should not receive a penalty tax for such.
We need standards. Not regulations in the strick sense, #deeming is Not what I am talking about.
Yes we need to restrict sales to minors and we Need labels that warn of nicotine and have the ratio and possible allergic reactions to certain flavors….
Standards for the manufacturing of liquid are also needed. Childproof caps sealed delivery are good things.
What is Not Acceptable are outside bans, and anything that discourages people from getting off of tobacco…
I think more education is needed. The general public see a lot of horror/scare stories but need to be better informed about the benefits of vaping.
I do agree no sales to minors, there should be labeling on the bottles of juices. There should be unbiased research, on vaping, on all the juices, have blind, double blind, even triple blind studies on ecigs and what it does. Make the final report public. True, not everyone will give a shit if ecigs are a great way to quit smoking or what is in the juice one is vaping, but there will be enough of us who do give a shit about the outcome of such research. As for taxing ecigs and the vendors to the point of putting them out of business, that needs to stop. True the ecig industry is fighting an uphill battle with big tobacco, and yes the ecig industry is taking a big bite out of big tobacco’s profits. We all need to learn how to get along, greed should not rule the day. Ther should be some type of quality control on the ejuices, doesn’t have to be so severe that one little thing is gonna threaten to put the juice company out of business, but there should be some type of quality checks on juices. Definitely should have child proof caps, don’t want my grandkids getting into my juices and getting sick. I could go on and on, if you want, email me and I will give you an earful on what I think needs to be done within the ecig industry.
Our industry is remarkable self regulating and is doing all these things without big brother telling us to. It definitely should not be taxed like tobacco.
They should be encouraged, sticking vapers out with smokers is not right, they are wanting to get away from that bad smoke, not get back into it.
We need real research to find out, if any, if there are long term health problems associated with vaping.
Children are attracted to anything adults do. I hope parents who vape keep that in mind and that we don’t need the government to babysit our own children for us.
Some companys do have their ingredients on the bottle and if not f your at a shop they will tell you and if that doesnt work all of them have websites with their ingredients name 1 tobacco company that does that
As I view ecigarette as harm reduction I think high taxes would be unfair to the people that are using these products to better them selves. Cost savings are one of the many benifit a of e cigarettes.
Clearer labelling, crackdown on liquids/ingredients from Asia with poor quality control
Vapers should not be treated as smokers. Especially when they designate we use our products in the same area as smokers! The exact smell and harmful stuff we are trying to get away from!
Juice makes should be regulated and have inspections to make sure the cleanliness is there along with ingredient percentage control.
I do not want anything that will give Big Tobacco or Big Pharm an advantage. This is a relatively harmless hobby and it also creates a strong small business eco-system. I support local vape shops (MyVaporStore in Queens and Henley Vaporium in Manhattan) to help small business. I also like the creativity that goes into making these devices and premium e-liquids (and premium e-liquids cost a lot less than my American Spirits Yellows)
The e-liquids must be made with high quality products, in a clean room with testing to make sure it’s the safe.
I am mostly concerned that the government wants to treat e cigs like tobacco, which they are not. I believe the big cigarette companies are jealous of the booming new industry!
I look at this as a tool for quitting cigarettes, therefor I also think that it should hold the same age as for bying cigarettes.
E-Cigarettes and E-Liquids should be regulated as an adult use, at-your-own-risk consumer product. Beside common sense labeling of ingredients and nicotine content for juice/cartridges, and safety regulations on battery parts no further regulation is necessary other than a prohibition of sale to minors.
Bad science being accepted by the media and legislators. Obvious conflicts of interest by legislators and regulatory boards. Lack of strong and widely popularized pro-vaping main-media coverage. Pro-vaping celebrities treat the topic of vaping as though it’s abortion or gun control. They’re hesitant to just stand up and declare themselves vapers and praise the technology as the lifesaver it is.
I’m worried about people over regulating and not letting the industry completely develop based in fear of the unknown. False reports of formaldehyde or anti freeze in e juice doesn’t help. None of those chemicals are in e juice.
True education needs to be in place. IT IS NOT SMOKING and should not be treated as such.
Too much regulation will just allow a few big companies to come in and take over the 4 billion dollar industry and ruin it. There needs to be a middle ground. I have been impressed with the level of self regulation. Testing of Ejuices should be done by manufactures and made available to all. child proof caps and labeling. But that is about it. No huge taxes!!!!!!!!!
I want to continue to vape and I want others to be able to discover vaping in the future, so for these reasons I think we need to be responsible with our marketing, follow “common sense” when it comes to packaging, and make it clear to all that it is not a tobacco product, and so should not be taxed as a tobacco product.
As long as we are responsible with when we use them, public use shouldn’t be an issue, but you’re always going to have the one asshat in the crowd. As far as taxes go, in Idaho the tax is figured by the ounce, so it would be pennies per bottle here.
Kind of point less. Most of these thing are already done. By vapors for vapors. .
I don’t have any concerns, all I know is that vaping got me off cigarettes, I’m delighted with this path that I have chosen.
In order the keep the industry viable, there has to be a consistent high degree of standards in the hardware an e-liquids manufactured and sold.

Every company needs to be committed to excellence.

There has to be continuing on-going effort to educate the public and especially health organizations and government. They seem to make and base decisions on poor science and hearsay.

I think that personal vaporizers (the market should have used this term since its inception)are the most important technological breakthrough for smoking cessation ever created.

Perception is reality and kids using PV’s sets off a negative stigma. Although I do not condone kids using them, I would rather they try PV’s than tobacco (or alcohol or drugs for that matter)

Its not a cigarette, don’t treat it like one.
Some quality assurance is needed beyond the guy behind the counter at the vape shop saying we only buy a certain quality of liquid.
Regulations should be sensible. This is about harm reduction.
I am disgusted that local government/health canada treat e-cigs like cigarettes, yet asthma inhalers and nicorette inhalers use the same ingredients and are fine to use according to them.


*Shannon Farris’s take:

The Life Cycle of a Public Health Revolution

Shannon is @animaginaryecho on twitter.


Michael Siegel’s take:

Democratic Senators Urge OMB to Decimate Electronic Cigarette Industry


Carl Phillips take:

CASAA analysis of what will really happen under ecig deeming

 



What can you do?

THIS site -via notblowingsmoke.org, ***Do they EVER SLEEP***

has a LOT of information on it: FDA REGS Info: Go here.

Join CASAA.

Yell. Scream. Write, CALL, email your “leaders”. http://fdaregs.info/hr-2058-national-call-to-action/

 

 


It’s like they want us to keep smoking!



Research on ECIGS is well published and available  HERE and HERE

Medical Professionals are HERE


 

 

Is your VENDOR telling customers about these issues?

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As always, more to come- including the final analysis of the last survey!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin


 


Medical Professionals Speak Out on E-Cigarettes.

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What do medical experts decide with their patients? How are e-cigarettes now being discussed along side their colleagues and organizations? How do professionals feel about them as a tool for tobacco harm reduction?


One response was

“Nothing is more detrimental to your health than inhaling burning tobacco”


The following answers are as they were, in full, to each question in this survey. It is all here for you as a professional to see what your colleagues have said.


 *Update 4/13/16:

The survey below was used as one of many references here:

Views from the Coalface: What Do English Stop Smoking Service Personnel Think about E-Cigarettes?


As an individual, the information you see may help you decide an e-cigarette is right for you –  based on these responses and other responsible science, research and other links on this blog. There was no editing of comments, including spelling.

I did remove 2 responses – one admitted they were not a health/medical professional, one only answered the 1st 2 questions. All else is intact.

 


This is what the medical community said.


0155 decided to leave their names.


Question 2. Please give your professional opinion on e-cigarettes.

85% said they are safer than combustible cigarettes.

02Professional



Comments:

Nothing is more detrimental to your health than inhaling burning tobacco
Anybody who says anything to the contrary should not be working in healthcare.
I am not convinced they are aiding people to stop smoking I’ve seen patients using them as an alternative when in a no smoking area and it seems to be encouraging more smoking
No tobacco and nicotine is optional
But depends on it flavouring ingredient. Higher the nicotine, less safe it will be.
I have no doubt about this and I see them as a huge public health breakthrough

 

 “Other”

Are less harmful than cigarettes.
safer but..






Question 3. Have you as a professional received any information from an association or any organization about e-cigarettes?

03info


Comments:

Canadian Medical Association, Vancouver Island Health Authority, BC Medical Health Officer, Heart & Stroke Association, the list is too long…
I switched to an ecig so that way I could lower my nicotine and take one puff instead of wasting a whole cigarette.
I use one myself and there are no carcinogens in my e-juice.
National Centre for Smoking Cessation & Training (NCSCT)

ASH UK

Public Health England

“Other”

I have done my own research
Received both positive negative and forward-looking


 



Question 4. When Patients ask about e-cigarettes I:

77% will tell patients an e-cigarette is an option.

04patientasksComments:

and encourage them to use it.
It’s called Champix in UK
Because the college of nurses of ontario has not made an official statement I can’t legally make vaping an alternative smoking cessation option. Side note – I vape doe….
I would advise my patients against them as not enough is known about their content and effect there are many alternatives that have proven effectiveness I feel are safer
I would tell them that in my opinion that it appears safer than combustible type. they should also try smoking cessation. Especially if there may be a health diagnosis that would be a contraindication to e cigarettes.
Being a cna I’m not in the position. To write a prescription but I talk to those that are interested.
All forms of smoking carry some risk whether it be cigarettes, hookah, e-cigarettes, etc. I don’t know of many people who have successfully quit smoking all together using e-cigarettes. I feel like people just trade one addiction for another. Which is worse I don’t know.
Closest to real smoking with hand to mouth action.
If they take more nicotine contain ingredient, they may addict to it. Less nicotine is much better.
It’s important on a lot of levels that stop smoking services talk about licensed meds, but many patients will have tried them before, unsuccessfully. Ecigs offer new hope

 

 “Other”

Suggest e-cigarettes
Inform them it’s likely the least healthy, but also by far the most effective.
Both

ecigaretteand counseling

I’ve never been asked that, but I would encourage quitting cold turkey. From what I’ve been told, that’s the best way to quit.
depends

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Question 5. Do you have or know of patients who smoke fewer cigarettes or who have stopped smoking using an e-cigarette?

05stopped

Comments:

I have worked with patients who have used ecigs in combination with traditional nrt to quit
Myself included.
My patients are typically marked as a smoker or nonsmoker… Anesthesia makes that determination and I’ve never asked if they would still be marked as a smoker with the e-cigarette.
I myself have been smoke free for 9.5 months with this cessation tool.
Our service has seen success on both levels ie complete cessation and cutting down, which MAY ultimately lead to cessation, just more slowly

“Other”

There are dual users. Self-reporting amounts are not very accurate.
More people than not.



 

Question 6.  If a patient says they stopped using tobacco with an e-cigarette I will

06nonsmokerComments:

would like to have option c-cig user..
Depending on the nicotine use so that the patient may receive a nicotine patch while in our locked no smoking/vaping unit.
Will make a note in the chart about vaping and note nic strength and amount of use.
I’m not sure if swapping one habit for another is a positive step they would need to quit the e cigarettes first
One whole year.
National guidance from PHE has come out that if people are not smoking they are non-smokers! Not everyone has caught on however
I don’t understand. If they have stopped have they stopped using both e-cigarette and regular cigarettes?

“Other”

document that the patient state they use e cigarettes
Comment that the pasient used to smoke cigarettes but have stopped and is now vaping. For medical staff.
Doesn’t apply to my field
I don’t know
See comment to question 5.



 

Question 7. Of patients who use electronic cigarettes have you

07healthbenefits

Comments:

This is a very poorly worded question.
Noted reductions in COPD and GERD in different patients
In the nursing home a patient switched and when she goes outside to vape she no longer has a phlegmy cough and sleeps through the night better.

Only mental health is routinely monitored within my service. Service users successfully quitting or reducing smoking through ecigs appear to have improved self-esteem after stopping smoking.

 

“Other”

no comment
Some astmathic pasients have decreased lung problems after they starter vaping and use inhalors less frequently.
Noticed exaserbated symtoms of conditions
N/a
N/A. I see my patients for one day typically, so I am unable to assess progress or trends of that nature.
I’m a Quitcard provider and have only recently had clients use e-cigarettes containing nicotine so haven’t noticed changes yet.

 


 

Question 8. When discussing electronic cigarettes with colleagues have you

08colleaguesComments:

We generally agree that ecigs are a safer alternative, so long as nicotine levels are being reduced below that of traditional cigarettes
The hospital I work for has a no smoking/vaping policy. I work on the mental health unit and I believe that this is unjust. Patients I care for are supposed to be therapeutically relaxed and taking away a self therapy such as smoking is more detrimental to our patients trying to adjust after being involuntarily committed.
E cigarettes banned however most staff believe they shouldn’t be
Most of my co-workers smoke. A few have quit smoking using personal Vaporizors (e-cig), so they have not only researched the topic, they have observed improved health in the people they care for, they have experienced first hand how helpful it is to use an e-cig as a method to help them quit and like the results and the process much better than when they took chantix.
Staff continue to be resistant to SUs vaping near them, due to false perceptions of harm to bystanders.
Organisation has prohibited the use of ecigs indoors & rejected my appeal to reverse this decision
Many have quit.
I often discuss this with colleagues from other areas, disciplines, who are initially sceptical but who become convinced of the positive effects, especially once they listen to vapers

 

Question 9. What changes do you note in patients who switch from smoking to vaping.

09changesComments.

In general, not personally.
Far better mental health is very notable: being released from the grips of tobacco after decades is really life changing for people.
I see less ups and downs in behaviors in the ones who have quit smoking and now use a vaporizor (e-cig).
Activity tolerance is improved noticeably
I don’t have enough interaction with pts who are using e-cigarettes to answer.

“Other”

Decreased use of antibiotics, inhalors and other drugs in several asthmatic pasients.
N/A
improved mental health following success in making positive changes
As above, clients of mine have only recently started using e-cigarettes so I haven’t noticed any changes yet.

 


 


 

Question 10. Please finish this sentence: Nicotine without delivery by combustible cigarettes is:

4% think nicotine is dangerous,

25% think nicotine is addictive.

10nicotineis

Comments

A viable treatment option for smokers wanting to quit and should be encouraged to be used alongside behavioural support
It’s not addictive.
Nicotine is a stimulant with known brain receptors, however, so is caffeine. Research is ongoing but seems to be pointing towards a less addictive status of nicotine versus that of cigarettes.
Nicotine when isolated from the noxious fumes of combustion in tobacco is far less damaging than we are being led to believe.

I’d almost say it’s no cause for concern, but it is a mild stimulant and depressant, and no drug use is healthier than full abstinence (caffeine included)

It also causes an increase in blood pressure, vasoconstriction, and increases the risk for blood clots.
Like Caffeine. Nicotine is actually good for certain medical conditions as dementia, diabetes, depression, ADHD, and colitis.
Possibly the best way of preventing relapse to smoking, with huge public health benefits. Healthcare professionals and politicians should get over their horror of nicotine
Still not quitting. Which should be your goal!
Probably addictive but may not be via nicotine patches and low dose gum, lozenges and e-cigarettes

“Other”

An e-cigarette
An addictive stimulant

 


Question 11. As a medical professional I

63% would definitely recommend e-cigarettes

17% are cautious

6% would never recommend e-cigarettes.

11recommendComments.

Support anyone wanting to stop smoking regardless of method of cessation
I Recommend it to patients who have tried traditional methods without success. If someone wants to quit nicotine completely they should use all available methods, but if they’re unsuccessful that’s when I recommend vaping.
This survey has made me write an email to my college seeking guidance. Thank you.
Wouldn’t recfomend as not allowed to; however I believe they are a good alternative for patients in long stay in patient wards who have no desire to quit
I do not feel I can give an evidence based answer to anyone who asks about e cigarettes and more research is needed
Its an easier way to slowly decrease nicotine intake.
Only cautiously because employer bans their use & may be punitive towards staff actively encouraging SUs to vape
Safer alternative to smoking and can be used a cessation tool if they choose.
The biggest benefits could be among communities where smoking is a chronic relapsing condition that robs people of their health and their disposable income ie the poor, people who have serious mental health problems, prisoners, people who have poor physical health
I believe that we should be encouraging pts to stop smoking and vaping to improve their health.
As a Quitcard provider rather than a medical profession.
“Other”
however I still recommend vaping due to other testemonies I’ve heard from other users and professionals..
Would recommend quitting smoking all together.

Question 12. Thank you for taking this survey. Please feel free to leave any comments.

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I’m an e-cig user and would recommend it to all smokers to try them without the pg in it first before they try it with pg. As a lot of people are allergic to the propylene glycol
Gen. 1 e-cigs were not effective for me personally, the gen 2 was, and helped me quit smoking after a pack and half a day 40+ year habit. I have been tobacco free for a year 7/26/15, and nicotine free since Christmas 2014.
I vape myself. Cannot recommend it highly enough.
The Tobacco Products Directive will be a public health disaster, and will crush an industry which has given more hope to people than any in the 21st century (okay except maybe electric cars, robots)
A significant number of service users were utilising ecigs in the service & had quit or reduced cigarettes. Following prohibition of their use indoors, some service users have resumed smoking as they did before.
I am an ecig user & activist myself
I myself have been smoke free for 9.5 months with the use of e-cig. I feel so much better now. And so does my pocket book.
The improvement is depend on user itself. Ingredient of flavour is the main component to give attention.
I hope you get lots of people completing the survey, well done

Once the survey was over, the participants were given a link to both Ecigarette-Research and M.O.V.E.


 ADDED 01/13/17

Physician Advice for e-Cigarette Use


To be sure the record is clear, I specifically targeted some of the renowned tobacco control “experts” and organizations around the world repeatedly to take this survey for complete balance within the answers. To my knowledge they did not.

For all the effort these worldwide organizations and individuals do to claim e-cigarettes are bad, I wanted to be very public about allowing the opportunity for them to speak their minds as well.

Just a few examples:

a

b c  e

– – – – –

This survey was put out before Public Health England released their evidence to the world.

(Public Health England)

Public Health England


The film A Billion Lives

is no longer being censored!


Added 8/29/16:

Majority of US doctors discussing electronic cigarettes with their patients


 

 

More to come

Keep ON #Vaping On.

 

Kevin.

 

 

 

 

Without Integrity. Tobacco Harm Reduction In The U.S.A.

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The tug of war on tobacco has gone on since 1964. Lets face it. It’s been almost 52 years since January 11th, 1964.

The Surgeon General at that time, Dr. Luther L. Terry, announced “an astounding conclusion: smoking causes cancer”  in front of  200 reporters behind locked doors. His decision to announce this must have come at some price. Imagine the pressure then, even then.

The Kennedy assassination was fresh in the country’s mind. Conspiracy theories were brewing. The Beatles were on the air invading the airwaves, but not yet on American soil. Ed Sullivan was plotting his next move.

Herbert A Gilbert had already invented the first e-cigarette – almost a year before his patent originally Filed Apr. 17, 1963.


There was no social media – no way to look something up on Google. Look & Life magazines were “Google”.  A gallon of gas was $ .25. My older brother John wasn’t even a gleam in the old mans eye, yet. I eventually came along in 1967…. I’ll put my beads & mop tops away now, and focus on this:

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FIFTY-ONE years. To improve? That’s the spirit. What THEY are doing is not working in the United States. What they are doing is lying.

What they are doing is without integrity. They tell you to “keep trying”, call the quitline, you’re not trying hard enough. It may take a few tries, We have products available that are approved.

E-cigarettes are not pharmaceutical. They are not tobacco. They are, however, a viable solution to tobacco use, if the user chooses to do so. To pretend e-cigarettes are bad is a “Professor of Tobacco Control“‘s job? The director of the CDC, Tom Frieden?  Neither of those have a conflict of interest…

I’ll get back to who’s job this is.

Lets look quickly (and sadly) at two men who represent the United States “Health Care” with questionable integrity.


Earlier this year, the CDC’s Director, Tom Frieden made a decision to be cute. He decided it was a good idea -confusing people with ads on television and billboards. He’s tweeted, set off the #CDCTips (Tips From A Former Smoker) with the impression of e-cigarettes being bad because a smoker kept smoking ((while using an e-cigarette)), and sadly lost her lung. Who knows the truth.

He also tweeted and proclaimed youth, children, tobacco products….

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The present Surgeon General chose, embarrassingly to say “we don’t know enough” but kids should not use them.

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You all reading know the deal.

When will the lack of integrity catch up in the United States? HOW and WHEN will they be held accountable?

Public Health England released their evidence update to the WORLD.

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Is their report pristine? No.

Is it responsible? Yes.

It gives responsible exposure to the subject. Opens very large doors to smokers. It tells the world there is a viable option, it opens up the world of reducing tobacco in the world responsibly. It creates a solution for the fairy tale goal of tobacco control.


The United States and a select group of idiots worldwide CHOOSE to continue to hide their heads in the sand and pretend it is bad. (Yes, Christoper Snowden brilliantly covered you here – Chapman, McKee, and Glantz, hoping he does Capewell soon).

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WHERE is the reaction, agreement or even a contradiction of the PHE report from the CDC & Surgeion General? The U.S. Health Organizations? The Doctors pretending they’re experts? Playing grab-ass with themselves? They don’t have one, they’re trying to hide from it.

They’re not going to recognize it? They’re not going to acknowledge it?

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Well, my favorite engineer in the whole wide world, Professor Glantz, a “Professor of Tobacco Control” (self-titled?) who’s criteria is spelled out CLEARLY here

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and his conflict of interest is clearly shown here,

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and here

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and Glantz DID do some cherry-picking and complaining of “conflict of interest” of the Public Health England report here)

This is a SUBSTANTIAL list of various organizations who are supporting Public Health England.

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The only improvement to tobacco control I’m seeing in the United States is more taxes, restrictions, regulation processes and bans on e-cigarettes. The only thing I’m seeing in the United States is ignoring the PHE report without cause, without question, and with questionable integrity to the public. You’d think, after all, the effort in tobacco control in the United States is just about money not health. You’d think they wanted you to smoke.

The Beatles, like them or not, changed the face of music.

The e-cigarette, like it or not, has already changed the face (or “two-faced” opponents) of tobacco, tobacco control efforts and the world.


The American public is being lied to like the rest of the world. The honesty of Public Health England, and all involved is a step in the right direction. The path to irrelevance is going to be a lonely one, with less support for the true causes you do represent. Few in the United States are taking the initiative to be honest. Many are arrogant, few have integrity.

I thank those of you who do.


E-cigarette research, it’s here.

Medical Professionals are here in support of e-cigarettes at M.O.V.E.


It’s our job to enlighten the public. I encourage you to #DoSomething.

I want you to fight for your lives and a choice for smokers in the future as Dr. Farsalinos has stated.

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My website is now live at VAPINGLINKS.COM


More to come ~and as always,

Keep On #Vaping ON.

Kevin

Save

DO Something.

dosomething

Do Something.


We’re preaching to the choir. In the photo.

That’s me on the middle right. (#ecigs #save #lives)

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Us. Ourselves. #hashtagging. A lot. I’m just as guilty of this as the next person. We yell, scream and show evidence to the contrary when they’re spitting out wrong information.

We know they’re lying. They know they’re lying.

But HOW does the public know they’re lying?
How do smokers know?

How do we reach smokers in the most effective way?
How do we even *find* them?

Do Something.


*David Goerlitz, the Former Winston Man, recently had this to say.

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 *David Goerlitz


Folks, ~we~ are the choir. We, the choir, need to be clear, loud and in tune when we sing to the congregation!

There are national consumer organizations. CASAA & The Vaping Militia and Not Blowing Smoke. These are great organizations for consumers in the United States, with mountains of information and help, and have state organizations working with them as well.

Worldwide, there are the NNA, GFN, ECITA, THRA, Vapers.org.UK, EVUN and more links to wonderful organizations on both sides of this blog. The Information within those sites is astounding. VERY informative. People who care.

Do Something.

Fighting along side the consumer organizations are the National industry organizations: SFATA, (The Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association), the AVA (American Vaping Association) and VISTA (Vaping Industry Supported Proactive Advocacy) who don’t shy away from lending a hand to consumers.

There is a Political group in the United Kingdom called Vapers In Power!

There are vape meets, where vapers go.. There are vape shops, where vapers go… I’m starting to see a pattern. There are street corners and break areas at work where we vapers show others our equipment and explain how vaping works. On occasion, we victoriously “convert” a smoker.

 


So now  comes my question:

How can we pass on our knowledge and experience to the smokers we don’t know personally? Those who have the desire to stop smoking but may be leery of ecigs? How do we allow them the opportunity to know?

How do we #DoSomething?

That’s rhetorical, of course, since most people reading this blog are vapers. I’m preaching to the choir.

When I was smoking, if you came to me and said you had the best thing ever, or advice, I’d listen but probably blow smoke in your general direction while you spoke. Maybe smokers aren’t looking for us. Maybe they haven’t decided to #dosomething. Maybe they want to smoke.

For a little while, I’ve been pondering what I can DO. I don’t have a shop, I don’t have journalist buddies at my fingertips with a line to the mainstream media. The President hasn’t answered my questions I’ve posed. I have a full time job.


Do Something.

There are people who #DoSomething.

I would LOVE to do what @mihop asks here:

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Why yes, yes I would. Not feasible, but YES, yes I would.


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I TRY, Sealion Sho2daPan!


I’ve put some thought into this, and have decided, along with my day job, It IS my job.

For awhile now, I’ve tweeted the results of the first survey – to show anyone on the fence about vaping – what – we – know –
I’ve tweeted it to the moon & back by now. Well – I don’t think that’s enough.

I want to speak to smokers.


I want to

Do Something.


You’ll see wat I mean here:




 
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                                                                                                     Kevin Crowley
● Speaker ● Tobacco Harm Reduction ● Advocate
E-cigarettes save lives.

My goal, in fact my passion, is to speak with as many people as possible to present a fair, balanced opportunity to understand e-cigarettes and vaping and why it works. They can then make an informed and educated choice for themselves.

The information I provide will empower them with the knowledge to personally succeed in reducing or eliminating tobacco in their lives.
I want every smoker to know that research and science exist, despite media stories and many public health “experts” worldwide claiming otherwise.
I want to speak directly to smokers. I want to speak to the elderly, people who aren’t online. The people who are afraid or don’t know anything. The unsure. The doubters. I would like to talk with church groups, medical organizations, rotary clubs, senior citizen centers, active military members, veterans, business owners, firefighters, cooks & waitresses, self-employed, corporate jet-setters, stockbrokers, gas station attendants, doctors, nurses, clerks, truck drivers. Everyone.
I want the next generation to “wonder” what smoking IS.
I will share a brief introduction. I’m 47 years old. I started smoking when I was 9. Thirty+ years smoker – two packs a day. I repeatedly tried to quit with the patch, gum, cold turkey. I finally stopped smoking in less than 48 hours with an e-cigarette, and so did my wife-accidentally – at the same time.
I lost my Grandmother in 1998 and my Father in 2014, both to lung cancer.
After almost two years of being smoke-free I was completely inspired to create and author “The Vaping Truth Survey” to raise awareness properly about e-cigarettes worldwide, despite the rhetoric and media blitz of misinformation. This garnered over 7,000 participants worldwide from 72 countries.
That survey itself gives clear and specific information about what “vapers” – e-cigarette users know, do and experience. How they succeeded. It gives someone contemplating the use of an e-cigarette distinct insight to those who are unaware of the potential as their way out of the grip of tobacco. For those to gain the knowledge to potentially be free from tobacco forever. Forever.
I am on a mission to educate & inform, based both on both personal experience and information obtained from the worldwide survey & other reliable sources. I want every member of every group to be comfortable with what they learn to walk into a vape shop with confidence. This is their first step on their journey to end their relationship with tobacco.

If you have any questions or would like booking information for your group,
please feel free to email me at: kevincrowley@hotmail.com
Thank you,
Kevin Crowley



Do Something.

I want local vendors – wherever I am speaking – involved. SFATA or AVA or VISTA members get MY top priority. I don’t want them to sponsor ME specifically, I want them to offer starter kits, giveaways at each event. I want them to offer every person attending a 10% coupon or some other incentive.

I want them to inspire people. I want them to #SponsorASmoker. I want them to #DoSomething. I want to get to the smoking public. The people who matter. Smokers. Friends, family, loved ones of smokers. WE have no other choice.

They deserve the truth. We can #DoSomething and give them that truth. We need to be proactive and do EVERYTHING we can DO to get our word out properly. If you have a better idea, bring it. I’m looking for ideas.

If you want a national network or international network of vapers (Vaper Speakers, Vaping Speakers, E-Cigarette Speakers?) on one list – willing to do this for free or pay, bring it.


We need to REACH the people who need to hear it most to make an informed choice.

Smokers.

We need to be informative, we need to be loud, and we need to do this NOW.

We need to #DoSomething.


Do Something.

Any suggestions or comments are always welcome.


These professionals

Do Something.

Research & Science at ecigarette-research.org

Doctors & Professionals at M.O.V.E.


If you didn’t see the FINAL results of the first Vaping Truth Survey – they’re HERE.
For every action, there’s a reaction if you

Do Something!


THESE are national consumer and industry organizations in the United States who keep US informed.


 

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A BILLION LIVES


More to come.
As always,
Keep ON #Vaping On.
Kevin.

Dear Julie: “The Last Word: Julie Lautsch”

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Dear Julie Lautsch,

Like many – and I mean many others in your field, you are claiming you are an “expert”. The controversies you so crave to unravel have been covered many times before. You’ve got a little drivel dripping off your chin in that photo. Lies. Innuendo. Imagine how you’ve created your very own version of the same exact things spouted over and again in the past few years. Imagine my surprise how well it’s worded “differently” – almost believeable! Almost plagiarism! You MUST be proud!

Copy, paste, reword, SEND! Good for you.

Lets wipe some of that drivel off your chin, shall we? (It’s not ladylike.)

The Last Word: Julie Lautsch
Posted on August 12
Digital Communications Expert, Anti-Tobacco Warrior

On the rise of e-cigarettes

I’ve been working in tobacco control for about five years. E-cigarettes have been a game changer. It’s scary watching children pick up these devices that contain harmful chemicals that they believe are totally harmless. People are not even sure how to approach a person who is using them. It’s hard to have that conversation without users saying they’re not harmful. Unfortunately, the education just isn’t there yet.

It’s scary watching children pick up these devices that contain harmful chemicals?”

You watched children pick up these devices? Allowed them to do so? How inappropriate of you – Since you’re an “anti-tobacco warrior” you think you’d stop them in the act.

Not harmful. Those are your words. That’s ambiguous, but much safer to an adult user than a cigarette. It’s far less harmful, oh great tobacco warrior. I’d say 95% safer, according to actual experts who’ve done research. You know, science.

(Psst, the education you so desire and can’t seem to find under your arrogance is here. No paywalls. No kidding.)

You’re right! E-cigarettes are a game-changer. Disruptive, aren’t they? They’re changing the world for the better. Let’s move on.


On claims that vaping can help cigarette smokers quit 

The science is still out. I believe that we have some proven methods for quitting, and that breaking the chain of addiction isn’t as simple as nicotine replacement therapy. There are other pieces of addiction—the social aspect, psychological triggers, stress—that have to be addressed. With vaping you’re not breaking those parts of addiction. You’re still putting harmful chemicals in your body and we have no idea what the long-term effects are.

Science is still out? Stopping smoking is now a science? Just showed you science – here it is again.

Nice try. The proven methods, “science” as you elude to on traditional quitting, “approved” methods are working so well.

Don’t help smokers quit? Huh, all these people must be lying in the U.K. ASH (Action on Smoking & Health – mentioned the words for you – just in case)

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So all these people (42% quit in one day. ONE DAY and they were NOT SMOKING tobacco) taking this survey lied as well?

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With vaping you’re replacing smoking. Really. You’re a tobacco warrior, put on your war face. Tobacco Harm Reduction. Don’t they teach that in your part of the tower?

Ohhh chemicals. Right. You’re good!

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Long term? I’m not smoking so I hope to outlive the lies.

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On that “addiction” word you all love to repeat, your favorite word after “children”.

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(Thank you AgentAnia)

Here’s an ANTI-TOBACCO’s approach, (Tobacco Harm Reduction.org), oh great warrior, on Nicotine Addiction.

On being David to Big Tobacco’s Goliath

I’ve always loved the underdog in a fight, so in that way I sort of love it. But it does feel intimidating to go up against the 1,000-pound gorilla in the room. What is most challenging is that we are held to these incredible standards of substantiation. We spend so much time poring over research in order to communicate the facts. Meanwhile the other side can say what they want and not have to adhere to those same standards.

You are the 1,000-pound gorilla. You are telling people cigarettes are just the same as e-cigarettes. You are held to incredible standards? Huh. My life is an incredible standard. I’ll get back to that in a minute.

Here’s some standards I’ve seen from “warriors”. I consider them “substandard” at best, but again, we’re talking opinions, right?

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On my standards I just have this. After over 30 years of smoking, trying all those “methods” – I stopped smoking in under 48 hours. That’s not opinion, Julie. That’s fact. There are MILLIONS of facts walking ’round the world, without lighting up a cigarette anymore. Imagine that?

Now – with over two years of using an e-cigarette,  my wife quit when I did – using one as well. That’s two years without combustible tobacco. Times two. Non-smokers. No tobacco. Imagine that.

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Feeling better was within a week – cough was GONE. Stunning. I was SO motivated to find truth, I did this survey of the real experts, with over 7,000 vapers themselves, from 72 countries.

The Vaping Truth Survey Final Analysis.

Imagine my surprise in this ongoing survey – take it if you like  – it seems about 84% disagree with you. Not just us common folks – these are real Medical & Health Care Professionals. What was your degree in again?

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Medical experts say many things so far in this still ongoing survey.

On facing threats from vaping activists

There has been a lot of vitriol expressed by pro-vapers online, and most of it has the same theme: trying to discredit the science. Many of us who work on these issues have received threats. There’s even something called the Vaping Militia that has bullied health educators at public forums. It has been scary. We want to allow for a dialogue with people who are supporters of these devices, but it has to be a productive conversation.

I have never threatened anyone. I’ve been on twitter a little while, never SEEN anyone threatened – heard of it, maybe it’s happened – shouldn’t!

On proper engagement – I’ve been blocked by Glantz, Chapman, quite a few others, like “Dr Campbell” above – but they don’t want to hear truth. They want to hear accolades and agreements with their versions of fluff – not even their own studies, just bloated old bores without meaning wanting the masses like ME to bleet like sheep at their lack of both intelligence and honesty. They want respect, they want nodding heads, attaboys – Well – start telling the truth if you want that.

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Productive conversations begin with harm reduction. Ecigarette-Research.Org shows science, research and education in all forms.

I’m shocked that a “Digital Communications Expert, Anti-Tobacco Warrior” like yourself can’t seem to find that.

Footnote: There’s no productivity when “experts” block.


On lessons from the front lines

I would say the work in tobacco control has mostly taught me about fighting the good fight. There are so many people out there who want to be rid of these products.

I’m more inspired by those people than I am scared of the bullies.

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I”m not bullying anyone. I’m stating facts. You’re perversion of those facts are influencing people to make decisions to continue smoking rather than get off tobacco. Feel good about yourself having the last word. Your “expertise” is questionable at best. Your effort to be a warrior is laughable and irresponsible.

Very irresponsible. So much so, you’re pretentious attitude and “expertise” can alter peoples decision to stay on combustible cigarettes. Good for you. Keep that up.

federalpolicyonresearchmisconductOhhh, that’s right, you didn’t cite any of your own research, you just jumped on the bandwagon.

You know who inspires me? People who are responsibly getting themselves off tobacco. Effectively, they’re doing your job. That must make you feel wonderful. Against everything including you – and people like you – spouting all the efforts of a seasoned “expert”, e-cigarettes are changing the world.


I’ll bet you one paycheck against yours, if you properly SEEK the truth and you properly engage ANY of these Professionals at M.O.V.E. – not one will “bully” you. Not ONE. They’ll tell you – not suggest – tell you what you should be saying. With proof. Science. Research.

What are you afraid of? You certainly didn’t allow for comments on sacmag.com – that must have meant you wanted control. The last word. Well, sweetie, you’re not getting it, history is.

We’re saving our own lives despite you and sadly, people like you.


Julie Lautsch’s “expertise” on ecigarettes and the complete article above without my comments

Who’s resume includes:

Thank you again, Agent!

So Julie! YOU’RE the “Media Unit” responsible for The CADPH marketing to kids!

is here for posterity: The Last Word: Julie Lautsch


As always, there’ll be more to come.

Keep On #Vaping On.

Vapers Claiming Side Effects Of ECigs – Despite VEHEMENT Efforts Of Stunned Experts!

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With any “treatment” to stop smoking, there seems to be side effects.

E-Cigarette users are clearly explaining below what effects they are experiencing with their use of this product.

The question is VERY clear to the participant .

With the question comes an answer.


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Did you notice any NEGATIVE health or side effects once you were off tobacco using an e-cigarette?

Some reported more of this in their system.


There are some very clear and candid answers below.

These responses are unedited from around the world.


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  • There was a period with lots of coughing, and my gums where hurting. Turns out I had a lot of flim in my lungs, and my teeth and gums where reacting to increased bloodflow. Made me sceptical for a second, but got over it. NO REGRETS!

  • If anything I found my an increase in health. My breathing has increased with less coughing, my sense of smell had returned and I can smell things I never thought I could, and my sense if taste has come back so things taste way stronger (sugars and things are more sweet or tart)


  • I am purging toxins from smoking tobacco for 29 yrs. I did not experience withdrawals upon Vaping, quitting Tobacco the same day. In the first week of Vaping I know I lost 2-3lbs, this not expected. All is a process of recovery, and for the first time in my life, I am winning. I will not touch another Tobacco cig, the thought of smoking a cig makes me want to vomit.


  • The only negative effects were those associated with quitting smoking, coughing and expelling whatever had accumulated in my lungs over years of tobacco use.


  • In fact I have been getting a biannual medical for the last 18 years, my lung function was slowly but surely declining until I started ecigs, my first medical was after a year and three quarters of vaping and my lung function is fully restored and thats official.


  • Quitting smoking made my gums inflame and bleed, hidden gum infection was able to come forward with the returning blood flow after quitting. First 4 days i had bad withrawl even with extra strong nicotine levels, that made me doubt the nicotine as the addictive ingredient in a tobacco cigarette.


  • When I smoked tobacco I used to get out of breath with moderate excercise. When is started e-cigs I coughed frequently in the beginning, I think this was my body getting rid of the tar from tobacco in my lungs. The coughing stopped after a few months.


  • Infact, 6 months AFTER I started vaping (25 years after I started smoking), I was required to undertake a medical by my then employer, one of the tests was a lung capacity test, I scored well above average for a 42 year old man that had smoked for 25 years, actually, I scored as high as an 18 year old non-smoker, I think that pretty much proved the validity of vaping to me.


  • There were multiple positive, and some unanticipated, health effects of not smoking. Some temporary negative health effects of stopping smoking but mainly due to the fact that there are so little information of what happens when you stop smoking.


  • Only side effects associated with quitting cigarettes and ridding my body of 38 years of smoking. Once my body purged all that poison I only saw improvements. I am now able to walk 10 miles/day without being out of breath. No longer need an inhalant for asthma, and being able to walk helped in a variety of other health issues, so plusses all around


  • Heavy cough in the first 2 weeks, as the lung were “cleaning” themselves. Did also experience what is called “vapor fatigue, or vapor tongue”. someday taste just decided to stop. All flavors were completely muted. I freaked out a bit, went to a forum then again, community helped. Guy explaining what was happening. Followed the advices, taste was back in 2 days.


  • My feet & knees ache sometimes after taking up running. If I was still smoking I’d never be able to run 5 miles every other day. *snark*


  • My heart pains, shotness of breath and overall health seemed to improve dramatically. I had a time I could barely walk a few blocks without being winded .. now I walk my dog for an hour or two with zero issue.


  • MY HEALTH CAME BACK. I CAN BREATH AGAIN FINALLY AFTER STOPPING CIGGARETTES. EVEN ON AN ECIG i CAN BREATH PERFECTLY FINE AND MY DOCTOR THINKS I DONT USE ANYTHING DUE TO MY HEALTH.


  • I feel completely better, no coughing , don’t smell, more willing to get up and do things, like exercise, so many advantages from vaping compared to smoking. It’s a no brainer but the government don’t want us to vape cause they are loosing money, they want us to smoke, for there tax on tobacco. All this gateway stuff is rubbish, just trying to get vaping banned, don’t get me started. It’s a conspiracy by the powers that be to make stuff up about vaping, they don’t want people in authority saying it’s safe to vape.

  • Actually quite the reverse. Didn’t think because I dipped that I wouldn’t have or wouldn’t notice any differences after I quit dipping. I did though notice my taste and smell are much better now than when I was dipping. Haven’t smoked in a long time its been 5 years since I stopped smoking cigars, 20 years since I quit cigarettes. Just figured cause I dipped there wouldn’t be any changes, oh but there were.


  • I still have a bad ‘smokers cough’ from years of smoking damage. I now cough up a clear mucas in the mornings. It is unclear if this is Glycerine etc from Vaping, or mucas from an overproduction of mucus from lung damage/COPD


  • The tar leaving my lungs finally in phlegm form as a result of healing is not an issue to me.


  • The first 2 weeks, I started coughing quite a lot, and my gums started bleeding when brushing my teeth. Found out that was common when you quit smoking. Dry skin, dry throat, pimples appearing (despite my age). All negative side effects have vanished within 2-3 weeks.


  • My general health has improved massively, I get very few cold viruses now. I cycle to work and back every day. I have lost weight, It has been one of the most positive things I have ever done health wise.


This information in this blog is provided to you to make an INFORMED decision about your choice to end your tobacco use.

Look to the left and right for organizations & blogs – who are worldwide and there for you.

Join an organization. Be aware. Be active. MAKE some NOISE.

If you’re on the fence about vaping, there’s MILLIONS of experienced vapers worldwide who can help you if you’re still unsure.


Added 02/02/17

from ecigarettedirect.co.uk

PG Allergy & Sensitivities: Diagnosis and Solution!

 


WHERE are the dangerous side effects the experts claim? The propaganda and misinformation efforts worldwide is ASTOUNDING from people and organizations who are AGAINST tobacco. I’ll type that again. The people below are against smoking. Tobacco.

You’d think the expert would be correct, done research and giving the BEST advice for anything they’re claiming expertise IN.

I digress. They’re not experts. Vapers are. WE who USE these devices KNOW what we experience.

Before we journey into the abyss of misinformation by these “experts” in health, medicine, tobacco control and idiocy in “journalism”…

let me explain the

FEDERAL POLICY on RESEARCH MISCONDUCT.

With a photo.

In the United States, there’s this:

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UPDATE 4/24/16

Former FDA Commissioner Charged in RICO Lawsuit

But wait a minute, Kevin! If they’re against tobacco, wouldn’t they be FOR e-cigarettes? That would be insane!


Well, my fair weathered friend, let me assure you

“I am not just another pretty face”.

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By U.S. standards,

I say they ARE breaking the law.

The R.I.C.O. Act, for example.

Lawmaker says anti-tobacco agency may be breaking law by opposing vaping


Lets start off with JUST a FEW examples of what is considered at least irresponsibility with misinformation by people who “should” KNOW BETTER, and by my standards, breaking the law, shall we? I’ll call them “Defendants”.


Simon Chapman “Tobacco Control” experts …is just one of my favorites:

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Dr. Gounder can’t do research:

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A Tobacco Control Organization…

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Another fine example of stupidity:

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The Mechanic’s View

“Professor” Stanton Glantz:

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The CDC – FISHING.

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Politicians. No different. Same lack of standards.

Senator Mark Leno:

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CDC Director Tom Frieden lying about inflated numbers using “children” incessantly.

Three times on the same day?

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The SURGEON GENERAL????

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The LGBT HealthLink twitter account deleted this –

one of the most irresponsible tweets or claims I’ve ever seen:

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Another claim… yet no proof.

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I added this in for the entertainment value, the SENIOR MANAGER of SCIENCE POLICY communications at the American Association for CANCER research can’t find RESEARCH.

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Steven Chester?

Some flunkie from Denver.

I think he is a writer – don’t know -he blocked me.

Oh…. lookie there…. He’s an expert, too.

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The insidious claims still being circulated around the world by “experts” are just that.

Claims.

VapeMeStoopid has a running and STUNNING

list of idiots here well worth the visit.

Well, do they want citizens uninformed to keep smoking?

Why would they do that? Revenue.

Plausible Deniability.



They’re still USINGChildren” and “Long Term”.

Aren’t you all dead yet from vaping?

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Added 3/17/16:

Ecigs Health Effects R Cranfield Nov 24 2015.pdf


From the last survey:

Nicotine Reduction Therapy, What’s really safe? The Truth & Perspective on the Gum, Patch & Drugs Over E-Cigs.:


Here are the “Side Effects” vapers spoke of on the last survey



For Scientific Research on E-Cigarettes Click Here.

Medical Professionals know better and ARE here in support of e-cigarettes at M.O.V.E.


Here is Public Health England on E-cigarettes:

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There is something coming… it’s a documentary. A Billion Lives. I’m SURE the defendants above aren’t looking forward to this.

I am.

The fight isn’t over. It’s only just begun.

Here they are on Twitter:  https://twitter.com/ABillionLives

Facebook: https://twitter.com/ABillionLives

Their Website: http://ABillionLives.com/


Here, added for importance 12/13/15

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.


You can sponsor the blog & website here if you like.

As always, more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Pounding Sand. I am proudly a guest on @vapemestoopid!

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Pounding Sand – Guest blog by

@Vapingit with Commentary by VMS

Kevin and I got to talking a couple days ago and we came up with this crazy confusing idea because we were both thinking about blogging on pretty much the same things. Instead of us both blogging on our respective sites, I asked Kevin if he’d like to do a dual blog post with me. He writes his initial blog and I respond with my 2 cents. You end up with 2 small time advocates views and opinions on pretty much the same subjects, but it’s a dialogue and not just one sided. My responses will be in purple and bold.

Kevin: A couple weeks ago, there was a vaping meet in New Jersey. If you’re reading this, you probably already know there was no vaping allowed.

VMS: I am still completely baffled as to why anyone would organize an event in a state with a public vaping ban. It makes no sense whatsoever!

Kevin: I’m a non-scientific kind of guy. I had a back & forth on a thought months ago with another person I respect via email –  We, I don’t remember who “thought” of it, but we were discussing what else we could DO to benefit our cause. That conversation turned to me attending a vape meet, and one of us said – what a great place to monitor the air!

A vape meet would be the PERFECT place. Stick some monitors up on booths. Put some on the entry/exit signs. Don’t even tell anyone. Just do it, lets find out what’s in the air, good or bad. By good or bad, I mean GOOD or BAD.

VMS: I too thought this was a great idea and I still do. Just like when Dr. Farsalinos tested e-liquid for diacetyl content the results were largely NOT in our favour as a community or an industry. I still find it upsetting that this information, up until recently, has been ignored by some of our leading e-liquid manufacturers. It took Five Pawns being outed by Cloud 9 for their diacetyl and AP levels to get companies to start making a change. Why the delay when we have had clear NEGATIVE evidence that this problem existed? 

Kevin: Well, with the Jersey thing this weekend, someone on a facebook group said something about the Health Department missing a great opportunity to do just that. I agreed. It went to twitter, I tagged Carl Phillips, Chief Scientific Officer at CASAA
where I was told:

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Well, maybe it’s me, but that seemed condescending. Again, I’m not a scientist, more of a lover of vape. I intentionally don’t want to find out it violates OSHA standards, I want to find out that it doesn’t. Come down to my level a moment.

That felt at a first GlANTZ that I was being told to pound sand – aaand I digress. I played stupid, but don’t understand.

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But there’s this, *Carl from you in June *I’m a huge fan!) :
http://antithrlies.com/2015/06/03/notes-from-the-fda-e-cigarette-workshop/

VMS: Carl is a difficult one. The limited communication I have had with him through twitter has always been swift and to the point. At times, it felt harsh. I’m not sure if this is just down to it being social media and an inability to convey emotion through 140 characters or just the way it comes across. No matter, really. Carl is a great asset to the cause.


Back to Farsalinos diacetyl study. I am prepared to accept negative results. Results that can create a positive change. If we find out that the air quality at large events like this is really bad for us, then that only serves for us to improve the way we conduct these events. If we are going to keep claiming that our vaper in small quantity is harmless to bystanders and ourselves, then we should know what it is doing to us and bystanders on a larger scale.


Kevin: On Facebook, it was handled a bit differently.

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Kevin: For better or worse, why HASN’T it been done? Why NOT? I’m still, even after the few paragraphs you’ve read, not a scientist. Let say out in Sunny California, there was, or will be a meet. Someone REALLY wants to do this on the anti-vaping side of our lives. THEY get the information and plaster it all over the news on the worst possible outcomes. Yes… and we’re sitting ducks. Trying to chase the truth down between their propaganda and lies like the old familiar formaldehyde stupidity.

VMS: So maybe an air test at a vape meet isn’t a great idea but a large indoor air study IS. Let’s encourage companies to put money towards a controlled large scale indoor air study then? We see how quick some of them are to support campaigns like #NotBlowingSmoke, so maybe we can get them to support some more research too? My biggest concern is that someone like Glantz who has the money available to him, will get this done before WE do. We all know how people like him would spin the data and the nano-particles. Why can’t we be on the offensive for once in this game?

Kevin: How the valuable resources were attained to debunk the formaldehyde scare are beyond me. Time and money. So, it leads ME to believe we should proactively take any sensible suggestion – *I thought it was a sensible thought* – and go with it to have it in OUR hands. Both for the vaper and anyone else.  Proactively. That’s my thought.

This study found on Vape About It concludes:
“…new study published in the Dec. 2014 issue of Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology found conclusive data that the vapor emitted from e-cigs and personal vapor devices is non-toxic. In other words, vaping is safe.”

They do this at ice rinks.
They do this at indoor motor-cross events.

Among other things, if it is already deemed “safe” and the second/third hand studies were also debunked, why NOT go all out at a vape meet, or at least a good Saturday afternoon at a large scale Brick & Mortar? Why NOT?

VMS: I don’t see a good enough reason why not. “Handing the ANTZ” ammunition isn’t a good enough excuse anymore. If we don’t tackle and combat it before they do, then they surely have all the ammunition they need. “They had the opportunity to test it, but all they care about is getting you addicted to nicotine and not about the safety of the product.” We already have this fight on our hands. It doesn’t matter what move we make as long as we are always on the defensive. I have the utmost respect for Carl and Greg both, but I simply don’t agree with burying our heads in the sand. As a vaper and a consumer that supports AVA and CASAA, I was disappointed by both of their responses, but can also understand where they are coming from. I do think that this is something that needs further discussion by the “heads” of our community though and should not be ignored or passed off as being another silly idea.


Kevin: It probably has been done and there was no conclusive evidence to it being “bad”… or they’d have pounded us with it, or it really hasn’t been done to a “vape meet arena scale”.

SO, why NOT? Well, if arenas are too big why not do it at a weekend full vape shop. Lets put it to the test. Lets FIND out what is in it. Anyone reading this who’s in the environmental field got an idea as to how?

So, what are we hiding? If it hasn’t been done by us, shame on us. If it’s been done by “Glantz” or some other anti, they’d be ALL over it if it were bad. Just like the “aiming at children” packaging, nobody wants to bring THAT up until recently. Sadly, it’s been being brought up for some time. Why not get ahead of it? Why WAIT until we’re sideswiped by a big ANTZ truck full of what they WANT to tell us. If we’re not LEADING this industry in research, we’re all pounding sand.

VMS: Again, I have to agree here. We need to be on the ball and get on the offensive. No data is bad data, bad data is bad data, but GOOD data even if it has BAD results, can be improved upon. Also, to be fair, I don’t think the community is really hiding anything, I think some of us are just more reluctant in wanting to KNOW. Does that make sense?


ADDED 03/01/2018

 

See here George – what we’re going to do is go in to this convention with backpacks and an air sampling pump. We’ll do it discreetly and try to be all sciency. Boy, I sure hope we can get away with it….

Air monitoring at large public electronic cigarette events.


Kevin: I do “what I can” to support and advocate. Sometimes I’m spot on, sometimes I’m out of line.
I DO what I can. I don’t like waiting, I like action. I don’t like being told to shut up. I don’t like being told “don’t talk about that”. I don’t like being suppressed. This is TOO frigging important.

VMS: I had an entire blog written up and dedicated to this subject. The “little advocates” compared to the big advocates. I haven’t published it yet because it’s mostly me getting really frustrated and angry.

Lately though, I have seen too many “that’s silly” “we can’t do that” “don’t do that” “been there done that it didn’t work” “why didn’t you run this past me first” and the one I hate the most, “let us deal with it”.

I have watched every day people, those working as a cashier or a stay at home mom, who want to get involved in advocacy, who are trying their best with what little they know, get told they’re basically a nuisance, that they’re in the way, and incapable of coming up with any good ideas that support the cause.

This treatment of the “little advocates” is unacceptable in my opinion. Us little people with tiny voices and a lack of experience put a lot of these people on point as our front men & women and those people accepted that responsibility. With that responsibility should come the decency to treat us “little advocates” with patience and respect. If we don’t deserve that at the very least…

Know what I think? Screw them. No one in this industry, any company or another advocate tells me what I can and can’t do and none of you should let them tell you either. Suggestions are great, advice is amazing, but if they shoot you down and make you feel like a fool, fuck them. Find someone/something else to put your support in and don’t let it defeat your purpose!

If your message is STRONG, if it can be backed up by evidence and you are prepared to defend your message, then go for it! Either people will pay attention or they won’t. Do NOT let anyone in this community tell you that your THOUGHTS or IDEAS or EFFORTS to protect this product are ‘not good enough”. 

 


fight

 

Kevin: I will do what Dr. Farsalinos said above, at any cost, including questioning integrity.

VMS: In the last 6 months I have watched many people change their stance on what to fight and what not to fight. 3 months ago, letting companies know that we thought their kid friendly logos were bad, was a GOOD idea and was ENCOURAGED. Now? It’s “who cares?” “this is an adult product being sold to adults in an adult store.” Funny that because 3 months ago that’s not what I was hearing. Reminder, the ANTZ are still attacking child friendly branding, it is still a problem and it is one that our community CAN CHANGE. Put your money where your mouth is. Tell these companies you don’t like their branding, why you don’t approve of it, and then endeavor to buy products from other companies who clearly care about protecting this product.

It’s the same thing with the Diacetyl and AP issues. Here in the UK and Canada, measures were taken to remove products from sale that contained levels that were deemed unsafe, yet the US has kind of just ignored it.  This is another incident where I read that we should just be quiet about it and let other people deal with it in in private and away from the public. Erm. No.

If a company is playing Russian Roulette with my health, I am not going to sit here and let them get away with it while I’m told to shut up and let other more experienced people deal with it…behind closed doors where we (the public) have no idea what’s being done to correct theses issues! Uh uh. Not happening. Same as above, tell a company you don’t like their test results and move to a brand that has results YOU are happy with.


Kevin: I also believe this:

speak

VMS: One voice may be small and quiet, but when we put all our voices together, we become loud and thunderous.


 

On an inspirational tweet, I created this. We’ve got petitions.

E-cigarette & Vaping Petitions Worldwide

Profile photo of GuestBlogger

Guest Blogger Account here on the VMS Website. If you would like to post an opinion piece, please click on the SUBMIT POST link found in the websites navigation menu. We love to hear and share your opinions about vaping, the politics involved, as well as reviews of your new vaporizers!Opinions expressed by guest bloggers may not necessarily be the same held by this websites owner or other authors on this site.


This blog was left intact – I copied/pasted it on this blog above.

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UPDATE November 2015:

VapeCons: E-cigarette user conventions

conclusion

 

Update February 2016:

Look what happened months after this blog:

 

Clive Bates:

Public health snoopers detect vapour aerosol at vape conference and fake a particulates scare

The original is here Pounding sand: Guest blog @vapingit: Commentary by VMS

Please GO see her!!! Vape Me Stoopid!


Science & Research as mentioned above here!

Medical Professionals at M.O.V.E. here!


As always,

Keep On #Vaping On~

Kevin.


Medical Professionals Say WHAT About E-Cigarettes?

p01I have been asking Medical Professionals some questions about e-cigarettes. It’s that important.

I’ll let you skim down them and get on your way, but will blog them when the survey is over in detail.

Here’s what they’ve said to me so far.



85% say they are safer than combustible cigarettes.

p2


Have you as a professional, received any information from an association or any organization about e-cigarettes?

Well some have!

p3


74% TELL their patients that e-cigarettes are an option.

p4


66% say their patient has

stopped smoking

with an e-cigarette.

p5


54% list their patients as NON-Smokers, non – tobacco users.

p6


74% have noticed changes in health of patients directly related with their e-cigarette use.

p7


Please! Talk amongst yourselves!

Don’t let me interrupt!

p8


POSITVE respiratory, cardiovascular and increased activity tolerance are DULY noted in patients.

So far, about +/- 1% say they see anything negative with e-cigarette use in their patients.

p9


89% say nicotine is like caffeine, or a stimulant.

22% say it’s addictive.

3% say it is dangerous.

p10


64% would definitely

recommend e-cigarettes.

15% are cautious, but would recommend them as well.

7% would never recommend them.

p11


I have tweeted this to some of the biggest names in “Tobacco Control”, including the Centers for Disease Controls top Doctor, Dr. Frieden. Stanton Glantz. Simon Chapman. Many others. They all still have a chance to speak their mind.

Evidently, it’s not that important for them to do so.


Any Medical Professional worldwide is encouraged to take this survey about E-cigarettes. I want the truth from you.

Doctors, Nurses, Researchers, Surgeons, Pharmacists, Specialists, Technicians, Dentists, Assistants,Tobacco Control & Smoking Cessation… 

Experts are encouraged.

If you’re a Medical Professional, this survey is still ongoing here.

If you are curious about e-cigarette research, it’s here.

Medical Professionals are here in support of e-cigarettes at M.O.V.E.


If you’re a VAPER,

Please take my

The new “Vaping Truth Survey” is HERE.

Please take Dr. Russell’s survey:

Your Perceptions and Experiences of Using Electronic Cigarettes


As always,

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin



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