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Vaping Twitter Bot Study is Dehumanizing Propaganda
Editor note: I was one of five accused (“Account 3”) of being a bot. Now, that may sound trivial – but I (yeah, me) am described as “creating and releasing false information”, I am “particularly malicious”, and, according to @JoeSmyser @DrArturoNJ @NicholsonForNJ @PublicGoodProj @WSJ @EnergyCommerce, I am “actively involved in misinformation campaigns“.
Think of the underLYING motive for tax dollars wasted while Congress investigateswhether I, and four others, of millions of accounts, are “bots” – accused of targeting underage kids. Breaking the law. Really? All this – to manipulate public opinion. What ELSE are they doing this with?
Yes, I’m angry. I’m very angry. But, it is much bigger than myself, or the others above. This IS defamation of character to ALL of us and describes this blog, your tweets, thoughts, any research you and I see performed, explained, and then shared – and very existence of US is described – minimized at best, and meaningless – not worth the attention of anyone’s time.
The original report is linked within by Vaping 360 and guest writer, Amelia Howard did a wonderful job explaining this.
Wonderful insight from Dr. Glover covering her 30+ year career in tobacco control, her well deserved apology from the Public Health Association of New Zealand (PHA), and facts about many things including suspicions of tactics used against us over the years.
Patrick, Fig and I have a bit of #BotTalk afterwards. Quite a different show from the norm.
In a recent post, James Jarvis discussed common myths about vaping, stating “Let’s get this out of the way for 2019.”
Not only is James Jarvis is President of Ohio Vapor Trade Association (OHVTA), he’s also a consumer. I’ve been to Columbus a couple times to see him, and I’ll describe James simply as good people. He cares about smokers having proper information and he cares about the industry.
To the point, a post on his Facebook page got me to thinking… if some vapers genuinely don’t know or are confused about information, how can the public know?
Let’s change that. Now. Let’s get this out of the way: Educators and legislators must learn.
On Public Record.
With the battle preconceived and one-sided (predetermined in some instances) for power and funding, authorities having jurisdiction (AHJ) of their respective township, town, city, and state must be made aware of all sides of this issue in their communities.
If an opportunity arises for three minutes at a podium, this can be read, memorized – as is – or modified, printed to dispel myths about vaping products and nicotine.
Politely – and directly engaging each concern immediately in front of decision-makers, with proper sources for authorities given the task of deciding the fate of (your) regulations, restrictions, taxes, and bans shows a proactive approach to their concerns no matter what the opposition.
I saw his list and was inspired. I have provided his points about vaping (numbered) from his post and link(s) to each point made.
James said: “Let’s get this out of the way for 2019″… ” I agree.
Let’s get this out of the way
1. Popcorn Lung is not caused from vapor products
From Dr Farsalinos, Brad Rodu, Dr. Siegel and more, a collection of evidence to the contrary:
The changes being recommended by FDA include a removal of the warning that consumers should not use an NRT product if they are still smoking, chewing tobacco, using snuff or any other product that contains nicotine—including another NRT.”
4. Tomato, Eggplant, and all nightshade veggies contain nicotine
“Nicotine is an alkaloid found in the nightshade family of plants (Solanaceae), predominantly in tobacco, and in lower quantities in tomato, potato, eggplant (aubergine), and green pepper. Nicotine alkaloids are also found in the leaves of the coca plant.”
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Let’s get this out of the way
12. Tobacco 21
A movement in the United States is raising the age of sale of tobacco to 21. While valiant in effort, it both restricts 18-year-old adults from products (e-cigs, snus, etc.) that can help them quit smoking and shows little progress to reduce smoking rates.
The Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives Association (CASAA) released this statement about “Tobacco 21” laws:
Here, a study showed “Increasing the minimum legal purchase age (MLPA) to 21 years in NYC did not accelerate reductions in youth tobacco use any more rapidly than declines observed in comparison sites.”
“Beginning in 1997, Washington required states to report underage sales via the Synar Program (here). The latest Synar data shows that 9.6% of retailers were noncompliant in 2013. The FDA also conducts compliance checks of tobacco retailers. In 2016, the FDA reported a noncompliance rate of 11% (here). The FDA should focus on this far more dangerous illegal cigarette sales issue, rather than obsessing over e-cigarettes. “
Ignored since 2011, Hanan Frenk and Reuven Dar submitted this to the Harm Reduction Journal:
“We show that the nicotine addiction model presented in this chapter, which closely resembles its 22 years old predecessor, could only be sustained by systematically ignoring all contradictory evidence.”
This shows “The effects of nicotine on the brain are similar to those of sugar, salt, exercise, and other harmless substances and events. “There are so many findings that conflict so starkly with the view that nicotine is addictive that it increasingly appears that adhering to the nicotine addiction thesis is only defensible on extra-scientific grounds.”
From the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health :
“We evaluated concerns about exposure to vaping-related chemicals in a vape shop. Exposure to flavoring chemicals (diacetyl, 2,3-pentanedione, acetaldehyde), formaldehyde, nicotine, and propylene glycol were all below occupational exposure limits.”
It is not anti-freeze. Simply absurd. As of the publishing of this post, the well respected American Academy of Pediatrics is still eluding to ‘anti-freeze’ as an ingredient on their ‘quick facts’ section here.
TheRight To Vape tour is kicking off their “nationwide grassroots campaign and bus tour led by a coalition of small businesses, consumers, trade associations, and public policy organizations. The Right to Vape coalition is organizing a series of press conferences, rallies, and town halls aimed at urging Congress to bring an end to the Food and Drug Administration’s regulatory war on vaping.”
Brent Stafford of Regulator Watch hit us with his direct and “no holds barred” style interview releasing part 1 of an interview with Professor Glantz.
A Billion Lives director, Aaron Beibert has created a ruckus. Here he is being interviewed by Forbes columnist Jared Meyer:
I had to ask this question. I wanted to see what would come of it, and tried to make it fun.
Although I would say I’m an advocate (I’m more than happy to try an convert any smoker who crosses my path), I am unsure how to get into public advocacy, education and knowledge to help others.
Saturday, Sep 26th 3:39AM
I wouldn’t go as far as calling myself an advocate, there are many whom I will not belittle by calling myself such – many doing great work and far far more than I can hope to. Besides, I’m not very diplomatic, so dealing with stubborn nutters might end up with me stabbing someone. (Just kidding)
I do try and educate and inform wherever I can. I try and keep up with the articles on vaping in the news, and to call out the bullshit in these articles/tweets/posts/comments if applicable/neccecary. I do my best to post sources where allowed etc.
I am very much Pro-Vape and maybe a mini-advocate 😛
Tuesday, Aug 4th 7:15AM
I am constantly correcting people on their misconceptions and incorrect information that they put out there in regards to vaping. I also talk to people in regards to the difference between the two
Monday, Aug 3rd 7:17PM
Every person in my family who used to smoke, no longer does. Five vapers, all two years or more. I’m THRILLED.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:42PM
I regularly speak to mp’s about proposed regulations and what negative impact on vaping they may have. Also active on forums and Facebook vaping groups. As well as signing petitions against regulations.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM
I did had a Blog or still have, but it
has become pointless….
the only one reading them are the vapors
in my country…
All they can do is acknowledge my rants
Monday, Jul 27th 4:49PM
I’m limited on time because i work full time and have a family but i make as much noise as i can!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM
i get very protective about vaping since i am a user and i know the benefits that it has brought to me
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM
I’m not home right now in the states havn’t been for 5 years – when I get home I will be very active in my local government with vaping products.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM
Glantz! Enough said.
Friday, Jul 17th 5:01PM
I’m in dialogue with local health services and NHS about the words on their website.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM
I am still new to this, but I see that this could save millions of people from chronic illness and horrible deaths and the risk that this tremendous opportunity may be lost because of the organized efforts of special interest groups.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 10:21PM
The way I see it, people should be able to do what they want. I’ll happily tell people it’s awesome and encourage them to try mine, but I’m not going to shove it down people’s throats.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 3:08PM
Out of 15 or so people that I have educated on vaping and who have decided to start vaping, over 10 of them have quit smoking completely. And I just converted another one this week! I am also a sea lion.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 2:29PM
As I’m staying in China, I face very different issues and have only limited opportunities to get involved. On a personal level, though, I’m passively active – that means, I use flashy, high-end gear which attracts attention and educate then. If I stayed in the West, I’d get involved a lot more.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM
The only thing better than becoming a non-smoker is helping another to achieve the same goal. In the current anti-vape climate that means fighting the good fight to preserve the ability of others to quit smoking in the future.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM
I have converted 3 smokers that I am aware of, and preach whenever possible.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:18PM
I’m not really actuve, but if someone makes it easier for me, i. E. Points out surveys /petitions, I’ll participate
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:03PM
sea lions need love too.. sorry had to click it, the rest is true
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:49PM
I think everyone needs to know the difference between the 2, know that they are 1000% safer, that there’s no such thing as second hand vapor and that Vaping is NOT smoking. Smoking would require Fire, steam is not fire, it’s moisture. I could go on and on.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:54PM
I used to blog, and was quite active online, but fatherhood has significantly reduced my “free” time. I very much want to be more vocal as I believe e-cigarettes have lengthened (and possible saved) my life for my son!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM
I do whatever I am able to spread proper information to whomever I am able to and to help educate everyone both smoker and non smoker.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM
LMAO….OK I have officially become a thing…Thank you for thd title?
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM
Nuff said above. Being disabled with only partial use of my legs, I can only do so much then am shot, no longer can I do the things I once did. Now the little bit of what I do do, my pain levels go into hyper super over drive and I wind up screaming like a little girl because of the pain. Is what it is, I do what I can when I can, how I can for as long as I can.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM
There’s no need to push it on anyone, but when
they ask, I inform. Many has been converted, but
I’m not here to decide for anyone.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM
To be able to help someone be successful switching to e-cig is an honor. To be a small part of their journey to success is amazing. There has never been a more successful way to stop smoking in my life.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM
I started a vaping group on Facebook!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM
I try to help in any way I can, and I get help and input from others.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM
I try to spread the word but I’m not going out of my way to do it. I help the people I know. Most won’t quit smoking until they are ready anyway.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM
I am of limited resources, but I do what I can when I can, and would like to do more, but lifestyle restrictions limit my activity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM
I condone vaping, I’m not a preacher.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM
It has become the biggest passion of my life besides my family. I have seen first hand on the devastation of what tobacco has done to my own family. I would not wish that on anyone!!
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM
key word is breathing
Friday, Jul 10th 11:48PM
I have not been involved in organized advocacy. I have signed a few petitions. My work involves advocacy and support in a different area and most of the time my effort is spent there.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM
Big supporter and believer
Friday, Jul 10th 8:34AM
I don’t force it to anyone, like vegans do to carnivores. If someone wants to know about it, I give them the information.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM
Supporter of the new nicotine alliance.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM
If some one ask or start to talk with me when I’m vaping I try to advise them. I also give them information about e-cigarettes and if I’m unavailable to give them information that they want to know I give directions where they might find more if they are intrested.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:58AM
I do like to preach to the minions when I can tell them all I can till they get sick of me
Wednesday, Jul 1st 12:32AM
Not on Facebook/Twitter but on my Instagram account I am an advocate.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 7:44AM
I building my boxmods.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 3:38AM
I don’t hide the fact I vape, and if someone asks I try and educate them. I believe in “live and let live” kind of philosophy…as long as they don’t bother me, I don’t bother them.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM
I do support the efforts of others as much as I can.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM
I always try to convert smokers into vapers by positive encouragment.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 3:26PM
Perhaps I should be more involved, but I have only recently converted from cigarette (nearly 3 months) and am just finding my way through all the forum information – hence arriving at this survey.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM
well that one was an easy one, I find it hard to understand why anyone that has switched and is aware of the issues, wouldn’t advocate
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM
I dislike scaremongering and people who are collectively swayed by posts on social media which are clearly rubbish. On a personal level, the people who ask me about it, get my personal opinion which is that Vaping>Smoking. Safer, healthier (although not confirmed as healthy) etcetc
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM
lol about Big Vapor!!
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM
I have gotten into some pretty hot debates about my use of vaping. and during my battles I have been victorious. Knowledge is power and knowing the good and the bad and not being blind by either will be more beneficial to the cause.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:02AM
If people don’t hear testimonies, what’s the point of them trying to quit? They don’t have proper knowledge on hardware.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:04AM
I AM PROOF
(I really am)
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM
Only thing I dislike more than propaganda is the people that decide to believe something with no evidence
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM
Shouldn’t that be walrus… Coo coo ca choo 🙂
Saturday, Jun 27th 9:01PM
I convinced all my family (who were all smokers) about the benfits of vaping, now they all vape instead, though my old mother still smokes aswell as vapes sadly.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM
I helped run a local vape advocacy/user group for more than a year.
Saturday, Jun 27th 4:23PM
where is the one about donating money, time whatever is needed to help??
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:49PM
I believe in this product and industry so whole heartedly, that I became co-president of the Northern California chapter of SFATA, the Smoke Free Alternative Trade Association.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:30AM
Fighting the fight, living the fight. Every day. Until corrupt government and corporations stop killing us.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM
Open the window. Join us in our shoutfest.
Friday, Jun 26th 9:12PM
I’m honored to have been called a “Northern Hemisphere Vape Troll” by an Australian politician…
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM
I will be involved with the next state hearing, I’ve written letters, emails and made calls since switching to stop the incredibly irresponsible propaganda.
Thursday, Jun 25th 3:55PM
I am involved with trying to give people the correct information and I am involved in groups on line and a supporter of the nna
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM
I was much more involved at the beginning. Now, I let the others do the work.
Thursday, Jun 25th 3:41AM
NNA 4 LYFE!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:16PM
Personally assisted with the quiting of smoking of 4 other people. They are happier and healthier now.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM
Fuck Big Tobacco – I smoke on my terms, and will 99.9% of the time choose an ecig over a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM
My parents were 30+ year smokers. I got them vaping and now my mom doesn’t Vape anymore and my dad loves it. ✋
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:01AM
Not much going on locally on activism. No point in doing the MURICAN stuff as I’m not from there or living there.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 7:40AM
i was somehow evolved but became sick of all the drama
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:41AM
I do occasionally get blocked by vapers, strangely enough. They are negative or even try to block your actions. Sometimes really strange.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM
I’m signed up with CASSA
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:20AM
Fuck big tobacco!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:28AM
I could not activate the questions re order of benefits, for some reason? But My number 1 answer would be to explain the differences between vaping and smoking.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:12PM
Sadly I scream the benefits much less now, did more when first starting out. Got absolutely tired of explaining over and over how much false crap there is in articles.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:34PM
I do not involve in advocacy bcause i am quite hot blooded. I can’t stand lies, i can’t stand the way advocacy has to be done. I would probably end up in jail 😉 However, i try as much as i can to make people switch to ecig if they get interested. Explaining, lending some kind of “basic kits” to let them try without spending too much money, giving advices….and so on.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM
I have been able to explain benefits to smokers, some have made the switch but some others failed, and I not able to understand why they failed (even if I have asked, it appears that themselves they don’t really know , they have nothing to reproach to e-cigarettes…)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:26PM
It does change a life. I was heading to a slow death holding a cigarette.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 2:33PM
I am proof
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM
I advocate against the corruption and abuse of science for financial benefits not only for vaping but for smoking and other corrupted issues as well.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:42PM
While not as active as some, I am a very active, loud voice in the vaping community.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM
The local BBC radio station regard me as knowledgeable and have interviewed me on more than one occasion. (I’m also a vendor)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:04AM
I found this Survery 😉 !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM
QUESTION 44… was unable to move them in order from my computer!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:37AM
If someone wants to quit, I recommend e-cigs, and a friend of mine has already quit tobacco.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM
I am a seal lion? Really? Cool 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:54AM
I try to do all I can to try and get the word out.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM
President of Vapers Finland, Finnish Association of vapers
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:36AM
I did attend the damp protest in Utrecht
(Netherlands) last month.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:53AM
I am a full time advocate, a part time activist and a part time agitator with both ANTZ and other advocates. With ANTZ, this means arguing with them over their logical fallacies, exposing them as frauds. With other advocates, I explore new ideas in advocacy – I put them out there to be picked apart, refined and eventually, for others to use in advocacy.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:05AM
I have several health conditions that have very little to do with my past history of smoking and definitely nothing to do with vaping. I have MVP syndrome along with two opposite autoimmune thyroid diseases; smoking may have helped damage my thyroid, but it also allowed me to raise two boys until they got old enough to do for themselves because smoking also masks thyroid disease symptoms. I do what I can, when and where I can from an advocacy standpoint.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:32AM
I am deaf so I don’t like to go talk in person to someone regarding them. I am rather anti government and do now wish to talk to them at all as much as I know that is not right it is just my not being able to handle the stress they cause in double speak. Online I have told my story so often and very little good it does. I do a lot of comments on news items online and I use twitter as well as facebook. I keep a google+ page for the links that I think are relevant to where I live or about new science regarding vaping.
Monday, Jun 22nd 4:00PM
I am on vttv
Monday, Jun 22nd 5:48PM
I do what I can. I’m a firm believer that e-cigarettes, even if they were found simply to reduce the chances of lung and heart issues by 50% (IE they were still rather dangerous) would still be worth having over normal cigs.
The fact that seems unlikely, and that no-one has found any real, serious side effects so far (nothing that’s an absolute game stopped) just makes me more of an advocate for them.
Monday, Jun 22nd 4:01PM
Selling e-cigs I talk to people about them every day and try and educate them. I sign any petition I can, share them wherever I can.
Monday, Jun 22nd 3:00PM
Again, editorial staff 🙂 Sending correction notices to media, writing an information leaflet for politicians, the whole nine.
Monday, Jun 22nd 1:51PM
Non of my biker buddies smoke anymore due to ecigarettes. I have helped them with getting started and I’m very proud of that. It’s a real achievement for me.
Monday, Jun 22nd 2:17PM
I do as much as I can, whenever I can to make sure other smokers have the same choices I had.
Monday, Jun 22nd 2:28PM
I feel at times that what the feck are we doing here, seems like we a losing at every turn with bans popping up everywhere, but I know the importance of fighting on as the tide is very slowly turning in our favor.
The legislation IS COMING and we should try our damndest to shape this legislation to keep vaping a viable option to smoking.
Monday, Jun 22nd 8:45AM
Kevin and I got to talking a couple days ago and we came up with this crazy confusing idea because we were both thinking about blogging on pretty much the same things. Instead of us both blogging on our respective sites, I asked Kevin if he’d like to do a dual blog post with me. He writes his initial blog and I respond with my 2 cents. You end up with 2 small time advocates views and opinions on pretty much the same subjects, but it’s a dialogue and not just one sided. My responses will be in purple and bold.
Kevin: A couple weeks ago, there was a vaping meet in New Jersey. If you’re reading this, you probably already know there was no vaping allowed.
VMS: I am still completely baffled as to why anyone would organize an event in a state with a public vaping ban. It makes no sense whatsoever!
Kevin: I’m a non-scientific kind of guy. I had a back & forth on a thought months ago with another person I respect via email – We, I don’t remember who “thought” of it, but we were discussing what else we could DO to benefit our cause. That conversation turned to me attending a vape meet, and one of us said – what a great place to monitor the air!
A vape meet would be the PERFECT place. Stick some monitors up on booths. Put some on the entry/exit signs. Don’t even tell anyone. Just do it, lets find out what’s in the air, good or bad. By good or bad, I mean GOOD or BAD.
VMS: I too thought this was a great idea and I still do. Just like when Dr. Farsalinos tested e-liquid for diacetyl content the results were largely NOT in our favour as a community or an industry. I still find it upsetting that this information, up until recently, has been ignored by some of our leading e-liquid manufacturers. It took Five Pawns being outed by Cloud 9 for their diacetyl and AP levels to get companies to start making a change. Why the delay when we have had clear NEGATIVE evidence that this problem existed?
Kevin: Well, with the Jersey thing this weekend, someone on a facebook group said something about the Health Department missing a great opportunity to do just that. I agreed. It went to twitter, I tagged Carl Phillips, Chief Scientific Officer at CASAA
where I was told:
Well, maybe it’s me, but that seemed condescending. Again, I’m not a scientist, more of a lover of vape. I intentionally don’t want to find out it violates OSHA standards, I want to find out that it doesn’t. Come down to my level a moment.
That felt at a first GlANTZ that I was being told to pound sand – aaand I digress. I played stupid, but don’t understand.
VMS: Carl is a difficult one. The limited communication I have had with him through twitter has always been swift and to the point. At times, it felt harsh. I’m not sure if this is just down to it being social media and an inability to convey emotion through 140 characters or just the way it comes across. No matter, really. Carl is a great asset to the cause.
Back to Farsalinos diacetyl study. I am prepared to accept negative results. Results that can create a positive change. If we find out that the air quality at large events like this is really bad for us, then that only serves for us to improve the way we conduct these events. If we are going to keep claiming that our vaper in small quantity is harmless to bystanders and ourselves, then we should know what it is doing to us and bystanders on a larger scale.
Kevin: On Facebook, it was handled a bit differently.
Kevin: For better or worse, why HASN’T it been done? Why NOT? I’m still, even after the few paragraphs you’ve read, not a scientist. Let say out in Sunny California, there was, or will be a meet. Someone REALLY wants to do this on the anti-vaping side of our lives. THEY get the information and plaster it all over the news on the worst possible outcomes. Yes… and we’re sitting ducks. Trying to chase the truth down between their propaganda and lies like the old familiar formaldehyde stupidity.
VMS: So maybe an air test at a vape meet isn’t a great idea but a large indoor air study IS. Let’s encourage companies to put money towards a controlled large scale indoor air study then? We see how quick some of them are to support campaigns like #NotBlowingSmoke, so maybe we can get them to support some more research too? My biggest concern is that someone like Glantz who has the money available to him, will get this done before WE do. We all know how people like him would spin the data and the nano-particles. Why can’t we be on the offensive for once in this game?
Kevin: How the valuable resources were attained to debunk the formaldehyde scare are beyond me. Time and money. So, it leads ME to believe we should proactively take any sensible suggestion – *I thought it was a sensible thought* – and go with it to have it in OUR hands. Both for the vaper and anyone else. Proactively. That’s my thought.
This study found on Vape About It concludes:
“…new study published in the Dec. 2014 issue of Regulatory Toxicology and Pharmacology found conclusive data that the vapor emitted from e-cigs and personal vapor devices is non-toxic. In other words, vaping is safe.”
Among other things, if it is already deemed “safe” and the second/third hand studies were also debunked, why NOT go all out at a vape meet, or at least a good Saturday afternoon at a large scale Brick & Mortar? Why NOT?
VMS: I don’t see a good enough reason why not. “Handing the ANTZ” ammunition isn’t a good enough excuse anymore. If we don’t tackle and combat it before they do, then they surely have all the ammunition they need. “They had the opportunity to test it, but all they care about is getting you addicted to nicotine and not about the safety of the product.” We already have this fight on our hands. It doesn’t matter what move we make as long as we are always on the defensive. I have the utmost respect for Carl and Greg both, but I simply don’t agree with burying our heads in the sand. As a vaper and a consumer that supports AVA and CASAA, I was disappointed by both of their responses, but can also understand where they are coming from. I do think that this is something that needs further discussion by the “heads” of our community though and should not be ignored or passed off as being another silly idea.
Kevin: It probably has been done and there was no conclusive evidence to it being “bad”… or they’d have pounded us with it, or it really hasn’t been done to a “vape meet arena scale”.
SO, why NOT? Well, if arenas are too big why not do it at a weekend full vape shop. Lets put it to the test. Lets FIND out what is in it. Anyone reading this who’s in the environmental field got an idea as to how?
So, what are we hiding? If it hasn’t been done by us, shame on us. If it’s been done by “Glantz” or some other anti, they’d be ALL over it if it were bad. Just like the “aiming at children” packaging, nobody wants to bring THAT up until recently. Sadly, it’s been being brought up for some time. Why not get ahead of it? Why WAIT until we’re sideswiped by a big ANTZ truck full of what they WANT to tell us. If we’re not LEADING this industry in research, we’re all pounding sand.
VMS: Again, I have to agree here. We need to be on the ball and get on the offensive. No data is bad data, bad data is bad data, but GOOD data even if it has BAD results, can be improved upon. Also, to be fair, I don’t think the community is really hiding anything, I think some of us are just more reluctant in wanting to KNOW. Does that make sense?
See here George – what we’re going to do is go in to this convention with backpacks and an air sampling pump. We’ll do it discreetly and try to be all sciency. Boy, I sure hope we can get away with it….
Kevin: I do “what I can” to support and advocate. Sometimes I’m spot on, sometimes I’m out of line.
I DO what I can. I don’t like waiting, I like action. I don’t like being told to shut up. I don’t like being told “don’t talk about that”. I don’t like being suppressed. This is TOO frigging important.
VMS: I had an entire blog written up and dedicated to this subject. The “little advocates” compared to the big advocates. I haven’t published it yet because it’s mostly me getting really frustrated and angry.
Lately though, I have seen too many “that’s silly” “we can’t do that” “don’t do that” “been there done that it didn’t work” “why didn’t you run this past me first” and the one I hate the most, “let us deal with it”.
I have watched every day people, those working as a cashier or a stay at home mom, who want to get involved in advocacy, who are trying their best with what little they know, get told they’re basically a nuisance, that they’re in the way, and incapable of coming up with any good ideas that support the cause.
This treatment of the “little advocates” is unacceptable in my opinion. Us little people with tiny voices and a lack of experience put a lot of these people on point as our front men & women and those people accepted that responsibility. With that responsibility should come the decency to treat us “little advocates” with patience and respect. If we don’t deserve that at the very least…
Know what I think? Screw them. No one in this industry, any company or another advocate tells me what I can and can’t do and none of you should let them tell you either. Suggestions are great, advice is amazing, but if they shoot you down and make you feel like a fool, fuck them. Find someone/something else to put your support in and don’t let it defeat your purpose!
If your message is STRONG, if it can be backed up by evidence and you are prepared to defend your message, then go for it! Either people will pay attention or they won’t. Do NOT let anyone in this community tell you that your THOUGHTS or IDEAS or EFFORTS to protect this product are ‘not good enough”.
Kevin:I will do what Dr. Farsalinos said above, at any cost, including questioning integrity.
VMS: In the last 6 months I have watched many people change their stance on what to fight and what not to fight. 3 months ago, letting companies know that we thought their kid friendly logos were bad, was a GOOD idea and was ENCOURAGED. Now? It’s “who cares?” “this is an adult product being sold to adults in an adult store.” Funny that because 3 months ago that’s not what I was hearing. Reminder, the ANTZ are still attacking child friendly branding, it is still a problem and it is one that our community CAN CHANGE. Put your money where your mouth is. Tell these companies you don’t like their branding, why you don’t approve of it, and then endeavor to buy products from other companies who clearly care about protecting this product.
It’s the same thing with the Diacetyl and AP issues. Here in the UK and Canada, measures were taken to remove products from sale that contained levels that were deemed unsafe, yet the US has kind of just ignored it. This is another incident where I read that we should just be quiet about it and let other people deal with it in in private and away from the public. Erm. No.
If a company is playing Russian Roulette with my health, I am not going to sit here and let them get away with it while I’m told to shut up and let other more experienced people deal with it…behind closed doors where we (the public) have no idea what’s being done to correct theses issues! Uh uh. Not happening. Same as above, tell a company you don’t like their test results and move to a brand that has results YOU are happy with.
Kevin: I also believe this:
VMS: One voice may be small and quiet, but when we put all our voices together, we become loud and thunderous.
On an inspirational tweet, I created this. We’ve got petitions.
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What I see: It’s important to have taxes, but not for saving lives.
What Mr. Leno tweeted in January.
What I see: It’s ensuring that there’s taxes like tobacco, but not for saving lives and taking people away from tobacco.
What Mr. Leno tweeted in April.
What I see: This is a MUST position. Regulation is necessary!
It’s IMPORTANT! Imagine!!!! The next generation being lost to toxic nicotine!!!! CHILDREN!!!!!!!!
What Mr. Leno tweeted June 2nd.
What I see: Now there’s concern, with false statements that “children” are important.
What Mr. Leno Tweeted on July 7th.
THEN suddenly , Mr. Leno and various organizations find there’s no tax on tobacco, and it becomes unimportant and dangerous. Really????? Imagine that. Here’s just ONE example. Removing the ability to TAX e-cigarettes suddenly DEFEATED the bill?
It wasn’t about children. It wasn’t about addiction. It wasn’t about health. It was about revenue. Imagine the resources, cash & public FUNDS to go at this with such a fever, and then just let it drop. Imagine what every politician is doing when they’re “against” e-cigarettes.
I, with hundreds – thousands actually – of others – tweet my ass of at politicians. “Experts”. Doctors. The CDC. Directors of organizations. Tie wearing wanna be scientists who are actually journalists. Tobacco control “experts” with sociology and mechanical degrees, upset that they aren’t real doctors or scientists, so far out of their domain in the e-cig/vaping world, they think there’s smoke in vaping. Doctors with NO clue as to what they’re saying. Going on the latest “study”. Nothing of their own. They spout others studies falsely attaining a hundred retweets to gain only popularity in the latest lie. Sometimes proper engagement is called for, sometimes I go all 10 year old on ’em.
Then there’s the others. MUCH smarter than I am. I admire so many. They keep ME in check at times.
More importantly, you know if you DON’T. The vendors who will be pissed off at this blog. That’s who.
If you don’t have links to calls to action, don’t think of tweets on your own or retweet imperative information, you’re not a member of a trade group, if you’re not actively involved in showing your customers there are organizations actively seeking to regulate, tax, restrict & ban across the world,
I tweet what comes to mind about vaping. For that matter, I blog the same way! I rarely have a plan, Almost off the cuff, I take chances and just go with the flow. Sometimes I jump in head first, sometimes I star a tweet, almost always retweet… sometimes I leave well enough alone.
Sometimes I’ll drag it and beat it and find it again because it pissed me off enough to add two more cents into the barrel of monkeys. I’ll take the lead, I’ll putz along behind two hours later…
LOVING the people I follow and who follow me, for their dedication, teamwork, awareness…. and much more… we really are like a huge global family, we don’t always agree, we definitely watch out for each other and when its time for someone else to do the dishes, we do them.
I try optimism, yet the lure of lies within the tweets I see or that are pointed out to me almost always bring me to pessimistic side of me at best. I kind of go “good cop/bad cop”. Like the vaping devil’s advocate, I ~try~ to have a standard, giving a chance to anyone to see the opposite side, yet knowing it may be on deaf ears.
That’s ok, it’s the followers of that person I’m more concerned about seeing the followup…with the original tweeter battered and bruised with the truth. Normally, one or 12 will jump in with a link, a statement – and have a knack for being there. I don’t often see that with “the other side”. They leave themselves to us to either show the truth or be tweeted alive….
I’m still learning – from all of you, and I thank you for it. We’re either tweeting to the choir or tweeting to someone with a predisposed position. Rarely can there be a change of heart, thought, goal or motive…. but we’re doing it anyway!
I try humor (try, it’s not always “funny” I’ll admit). Truth. Valiance. Hero & villian within the same tweet on occasion. Sarcasm. Evil thoughts. Friendly questions…. sometimes I’m just an ass. Please note, I am not an expert. Not “trained” in social media, and certainly don’t know what I’m doing half the time, faking it the other half. 🙂 I see others doing. Not being afraid. Taking “social risk” if you will, with or without thought. Tweeting their asses off for the better of man/womankind.
We, and more than likely you who are reading this, are an advocate. We’re waiting for the next “bad news” story. It might *doubt it* actually be true. With global emphasis on “how bad” e-cigs are, we’re paying attention worldwide, we’re not uneasy about tweeting mayors, senators, governors, organizations like the CDC & FDA…the President himself… it doesn’t mean I (we) always take the “best way” to handle situations, but it’s how we roll… and I’ve been told I was “over the top” very early in my twitter account by a vendor..one time, and I couldn’t believe I was even close yet. 🙂
There can be some very serious damage control to be done when one tweet says “dangers” from an “expert” or health pro and so on……and thousands see and some believe before I or others have to assess their intention. The perception is that we’re ganging up on people when we see an idiotic tweet in regards to bans, restrictions, children, taxing, dangers….
That’s important to me and others who are advocating and standing up to these lies, to
“cut them off at the tweet”
so to speak. Advocating in the vaping world can be such a blast, and such a draining effort at times. I know I’ll do it whether I’m encouraged or not, retweeted or not. It’s about everyone – current smokers afraid who may see the misinformation, people who aren’t sure, and it is about future smokers and their choice as well.
Sometimes it’s a snipe hunt. I realize some health/control people like my pal Simon Chapman have ulterior motives. I’ve been following him quite a while. He finally blocked me. It took a while for him to hit that block button, though.
Simon recently called (vapers) out here like he’s done so many times…
I saw no point other than to respond the way I did here if you’re so inclined:
Had I provoked him? I didn’t think so, at least not on that particular tweet, but yes, yes I have. I did after, and made them much more personal and tailored directly to him. Questioning his integrity, questioning his intelligence. Well then he blocked, and for a lack of better terms, He’s blocked bigger and better folks than myself long before I started and he’ll do it forever.
I followed him and others, to not only see the idiocy of their tweets for my own enjoyment, I figured I may learn something from him along the way.
I learn things about wind farms and tobacco control from people like simple Simon.
He’s the “expert”, right?
Reducing tobacco use should be the priority….Shouldn’t we be on on the same side?
I’ll miss you Simple Simon!
Lets move on down the vape trail a bit. I try my best to be civil, but in the end, advocacy, in my mind, has no battle line. Bruises are common, some will block without provocation, some will tweet & tweet until there’s just a big circle of stupidity…..and not care in the end.
Some will be awesome and at least pretend to understand even if they don’t, and some flat get it right away.
The pretenders and the get it right away folks are the best.
It’s not in my nature to be just “nice”.
Some of my fellow tweeters are unbelievably awesome at it. I absolutely admire you who keep your calm, cool & composure. I try, but in the long run, I’m more reactionary and constantly at the line of incorrigible.
I don’t believe when there are things like this – that there’s a line.
Mr. Bezanis is obviously an idiot, so we’ll move on.
When I see something from a Tobacco Control group, Cancer, actual Doctors, Public Health… and it’s irresponsible, I make it my mission to spot check these people.
I added the words after in the graphic below to post to them, but you get the picture in their tweet & mine.
I can bore you with these as well from Tobacco Free Broward if you’re interested…
Rarely a day goes by I don’t see her tweeting. Calling out anyone, anything. Vendors. Health. Tobacco. She’s not any different than anyone else, just like probably all of you reading this, there’s dedication and diligence to the cause on her part. She’s been around a few days…
She’s got Tweet Rage on her website. Un-f’n-believable with her thoughts. Among others, she helped me on my survey early on – on Facebook….
and about two months later I made the connection as to who she was…
This week, there was a different kind of blog from this woman who’s gone as far as talking/sounding like a frog, and telling me . 🙂