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Vaping In The News – October 14th, 2017

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As I put this weeks edition together, I pondered all the time and public OUR money wasted over the past 10+ years by experts – tracking tweets, buying media, pretending to do studies and claiming science… Then, I wonder…. what have they tried to accomplish… and what other much more important items they’ve done the same with, or ignored in the process.


Johnson Creek is going out of business ~ Science Lesson ~ Marathon Man ~ Bloomberg ~ Tobacco 21 ~ Teen Cigarette Narcs ~ Doug Teitelbaum ~  Foundation for a smoke-free world ~ Tobacco Free Kids ~ Screaming ~


This is Vaping In The News for the week ending October 14th, 2017


Instead of babbling, I’ll lead off with a spirited tweet from Ann, who I (and others) miss dearly.


Johnson Creek is going out of business

Their statement:

Important! Johnson Creek is going out of business


Science Lesson

One of the best ways to learn is to listen and read. That’s why I like reading Carl’s blog. I don’t always agree with Carl, and that is how I learn.

“Ecigs are a replacement for tobacco products. They are not a replacement for lost tobacco taxes.”

I’ve said this a thousand times.

In this instance, there should be NO tax imposed on vaping products (other than normal sales tax). Period. We agree.

Science Lesson: The Optimal Tax Rate For Vapor Products Is Zero


Marathon Man

Chris Baxter, who I’ve followed over on Twitter:

YES.

Lancaster man vapes his way to marathon success

Related: Jerry Iozzo

Former Smoker Turned Marathon Runner Thanks to Vaping


Bloomberg

Dr. Carrie Wade at the Daily Vaper takes on another big donor of anti-tobacco with reduced risk and research:

Bloomberg School Of Public Health Should Live Up To Mission Statement, Save ‘Millions At A Time’


Tobacco 21

While the public is, you can’t be convinced this will work. You’re too savvy for that.

Tobacco 21 Is a Catch-22


Denver Is Hiring Teen Cigarette Narcs

Where I’ve covered the Synar Amendment and the recreation of the problems here in June of 2017, I made a prediction.

In my (highly acclaimed by me) opinion, as the age of purchase was 18, they are having a difficult time keeping their percentage at acceptable levels, and now want to raise it to 21 to recreate the problem.

Well… imagine my surprise when I read (bold is my emphasis)

“….the department hopes to snag even more vendors, projecting a 23 percent noncompliance rate by the end of 2017.”

Denver Is Hiring Teen Cigarette Narcs

Imagine my surprise from one of my favorite rodents, Phil:

Here’s that breach, including e-cigarettes:

Anne Arundel County tobacco sting finds one in four stores sold tobacco to minors


Doug Teitelbaum

NJOY’s Doug Teitelbaum is Leading a Crusade Against Cigarette Smoking – Don’t Bet Against Him


Foundation for a smoke-free world

Derek Yach
Just so you can see the screams from Matt Myers – it is close enough to Halloween to hear him clearly.

Matt Myers: Philip Morris has a long history of funding what it calls independent research by previously credible researchers


Still Screaming

Another from one of my favorite bloggers, and consider him a friend: Paul:
Next, how PR firms create “dialogue”…

Then:


And…

Former American Cancer Society CEO John Seffrin endorses cancer research venture funded by Philip Morris




Have you met my OUR friends at vapers.org.uk? 

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Tobacco Harm Reduction For Life

GONZO GIVES




Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 

A Billion Lives

A Billion Lives


There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

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Vaping In The News – September 16th

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Vaping Is Not A Crime ~ Sinner, Keep Sinning – We Need The Cash ~ Philip Morris Pledges $1 BILLION ~ Australia ~ Nicotine ~ E-cigarette use and associated changes in population smoking cessation ~ Resolution of recurrent tonsillitis in a non-smoker who became a vaper ~ The Corruption of Public Health ~ FDA Revised Guidance ~ It’s Not About Health ~ Mice ~




Many things to cover. David Goerlitz explores Canada, Sinners equal cash. Philip Morris makes public health experts and tobacco control more nervous. Corruption of public health will be no surprise, “guidance” from the FDA and a few other moments make up this weeks….

Vaping In The News ~ September 10th ~ 16th




Vaping Is Not A Crime

Canada is under extreme opposition. David Goerlitz is scratching punching the surface in this first of a series while visiting Montreal, Quebec.

This is another example of regulate, restrict, tax and ban worldwide. No matter where you are, fight.

 


Sinner, Keep Sinning

Mr. Puddlecoat probably sprained his fingers typing this one up… Thank you D.P.

Sinner, Keep Sinning – We Need The Cash


Philip Morris Pledges $1 BILLION

I trust tobacco companies more than government or public health. As an example in the UK, THE Fergus Mason’s favorite “authority figure” hag says this in the following article.

“The tobacco industry has a terrible track record of funding research designed to support its efforts to block policies to cut smoking,” Deborah Arnott, chief executive of London-based Action on Smoking and Health, said in a statement. “Tobacco industry claims can never be accepted at face value.”

This. This is fear. Losing power. Loss of control. Out of the loop. “Policies” are in question. The scream test looks nice in print.

I don’t trust public health, with a few exceptions.

I do however, trust Philip Morris (despite self-promotion of their heat not burn, etcetera) and this initiative far more with Yach at the helm.

This is progress, not control.

Philip Morris Pledges $1 Billion to Fight Smoking


 


Do you know about NNA?

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Please keep smoking. That is all.

After all, this: Don’t share this

Leads to this:

Harm caused by e-cigarettes uncertain


A Case for Nicotine Use

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Nicotine is not addictive.

Because it is such an assertive claim and everything is riding on the myth, (Like Santa, you never want to tell the kids) either few professionals “understand”,  choose to understand or will admit it. They instead, are either incompetent or believe it themselves.

Gorokh has a twist I liked:

“…..drawing conclusions about nicotine from smoking studies is like measuring the effects of lemon juice by administering participants rounds of Long Island iced teas!”

That’s here below.

A Case for Nicotine Use


Do you know about THR4LIFE?

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E-cigarette use and associated changes in population smoking cessation:

Evidence from US current population surveys.
Seems we’re not anecdotal any longer, we’re population level status now.

E-cigarette use and associated changes in population smoking cessation: Evidence from US current population surveys. 


Resolution of recurrent tonsillitis in a non-smoker who became a vaper.

A case study and new hypothesis.

Resolution of recurrent tonsillitis in a non-smoker who became a vaper.


The Corruption of Public Health

Where do I begin. Is it when the Food and Drug Adminstration formed? When Chapman or Glantz were born? When Frieden took his first baby steps from his sterilized crib? I don’t know. Find out here:

The Corruption of Public Health


Are you familiar with INNCO?


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FDA “Revised Guidance” was released.

Ash trays and lighters are not tobacco products, but your list of what is, is here:

FDA issues revised final guidance on tobacco manufacturer registration and product listing


It’s Not About Health

I love this man.

It’s Not About Health: A Potted History


Mice.

Well, here’s my favorite of the week.

I’ll let you decide if you actually want to read this bullshit, but here are my favorite quotes from the article:

“As always, it is difficult to extrapolate the findings to humans…”

“but the effect on humans still needs to be investigated…”

May I suggest a few humans?

One is an expert at any-hand smoke named Stan “Puff – n – Stuff” Glantz.

Third-hand smoke in furniture and clothes damages mouse organs




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Have you met my OUR friends at vapers.org.uk?

 

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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 

A Billion Lives

A Billion Lives


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Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog.


 

There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

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Coordination with the FDA: Hartland, Wisconsin Holds Public Hearings

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Imagine

Imagine for a moment that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has overstepped their authority in “deeming” anything to do with e-cigarettes.

Imagine there’s a little-known process used to challenge regulations imposed when the federal authority, by law, did not coordinate with state and local municipalities.

Now, imagine there’s a small town in the United States willing to take it upon themselves to challenge the authority having jurisdiction over these regulations.

Imagine.


The Village of Hartland, Wisconsin has done just that. They have hosted three days of public hearings and testimony of what is called “coordination” with Hearing Officer Fred Kelly Grant, Esq. at the helm.

The Electronic Vaping Coalition of America (EVCA) has explained what “coordination” is here.

WHAT IS “COORDINATION” IN FEDERAL LAW?


Three days of testimony

Testimony in Hartland was presented by Cory Winston, Azim Chowdhury, Shaun Casey, Antonio Lauria, Lou Ritter, Jeff Stier, Aaron Biebert, Johnson Creek Vapor Company, Bill Godshall and more.


Thursday, April 27th, 2017


Friday, April 28th, 2017


Saturday, April 29th, 2017



MONDAY, May 1st, 2017:

The decision is in:




THIS is how you can fight.

Via EVCA, the funding to FIGHT the FDA with this board if it goes to court:

Next Steps After FDA Coordination Hearing

Added 5/13/17

 



Imagine

Imagine the businesses who are going out of business.

Imagine the health implications of the imposed regulations by the FDA and the organizations who have supported them.

Imagine the person who walks into a vape shop and can’t be helped properly, if the vape shop will even exist within the next year.

Now imagine taking the time to listen, to ask questions, stand UP, question the lack of integrity and frankly, DO something.

Imagine saying enough is enough.


If the videos below do not play, you can access them here:


Related:

This article from Kathy Hoekstra:

Small-town America takes on FDA over e-cigarette regulations


WHILE this challenge is ongoing, it is imperative in the United States to visit CASAA:

First, the Cole-Bishop bill, (H.R. 1136) via CASAA

Out of the budget but, still in the fight!


Meanwhile

Duncan Hunter (R,CA)  has introduced one of his own, taking tobacco OUT of the description completely.
From my friend, Daniel Hall of Guide To Vaping:
Also From Mr. Hall: (added 5/2/17)


NEWS from my friends across the pond: Vapers.org.uk.

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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 


Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog.

More to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

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Vaping In The News – April 1, 2017

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Vaping In The News – March 26th – April 1st, 2017

New Zealand ~ Neal Asher On Vaping ~ E-cigarette-Research Fundraiser ~ The Thunder from Down Under ~ Cigar Industry Lawsuit Against FDA Delayed ~ New Nicotine Alliance ~ Harm Reduction Drives Younger Vapers, Not Flavors ~ As the vaper revolution gathers steam, American smokers are being left behind ~ Two Studies ~ A Poll ~


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You MUST get louder.

There are millions of people who have chosen to switch to e-cigarettes. If you’re reading this, you are the minority of those who are involved.

The time for rolling over and accepting the regulations, restrictions, taxes, and bans they come up with is unacceptable.


From my friends at Vapers.org.uk

While tobacco and other nicotine products were still legal, legalizing nicotine for e-cigarettes in New Zealand is now underway.

New Zealand – Special Edition


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Neal Asher ~ On Vaping:

We’re demanding professionals answer questions  – making snowflakes melt…and they’re not used to that.

…and also instinctively want to seize control of and legislate for anything new. But it is some in the medical profession for whom I have the greatest contempt. They’ve had careers telling people to ‘quit or die’ and now cannot quite comprehend this level of harm reduction.

On Vaping…


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Fundraiser:

WE are raising funds for Dr. Farsalinos & his team:

“Unbiased, reliable – full access” information.

We can’t expect him and his team to do his research for free.

So far the challenge has been ignored by public health, tobacco control, and government. We have raised $580.00 and one challenge has been submitted.

Make some noise.

Raising Funds For E-cigarette Research


The Canadian Government Can Lie

You might think this is an April Fool’s joke  – but it isn’t. David Sweanor was not allowed to speak due to lack of openings, which prompted this ThunderClap on twitter.

In Canada, there is a possible $500,000 fine and two years jail time. For telling the truth about e-cigarettes.

What’s the fine for government officials lying?


Guest Post

Listen to the Thunder Down Under: Broony

It is time for those in power to change the laws, to see they’ve been lied to (and still are) by ANTZ (Anti-Nicotine & Tobacco Zealots) long enough. It is time to stop rewarding the lies and accept that smokers are switching in droves for a reason.

Listen to The Thunder From Down Under


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New Nicotine Alliance

NNA has come a very long way in two short years and we have thoroughly earned our reputation as a “go to” organisation on tobacco harm reduction. Now we need your help to achieve even more. We have never asked for money before but we need to now.  

NNA needs your help


Think of the Children™

THE only regulation points they have are the never-ending fictitious “Think of the Children™” claim – which goes hand in hand with the even more fictitious nicotine “addiction” claim.

Great article by

A new study out today shows that young vapers are drawn to vaping because of the harm reduction factor, not flavors.

Harm Reduction Drives Younger Vapers, Not Flavors

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Cigars & The FDA

Ecigs are not the only thing under the rules imposed by the FDA.

The hearing on the joint lawsuit filed by the International Premium Cigar & Pipe Retailers (IPCPR), Cigar Rights of America (CRA) and Cigar Association of America (CAA) has been delayed.

Cigar Industry Lawsuit Against FDA Delayed


Revolution

Via Guy Bentley:

The United States is a world leader in innovation. But when it comes to ensuring smokers have the maximum possible access to new devices and products that will help them quit and save their lives the U.S. is found tragically wanting.

As the vaper revolution gathers steam, American smokers are being left behind


Two Studies:

Measuring PM2.5, Ultrafine Particles, Air Nicotine and Wipe Samples Following the Use of Electronic Cigarettes.

Does the regulatory environment for e-cigarettes influence the effectiveness of e-cigarettes for smoking cessation?


Good Riddance:

Breathe ND, a tobacco “prevention” program addicted to Master Settlement Agreement funds – is being defunded.

Gov.Burgum signs bill into law to defund BreatheND

Bye-Bye:

Nicotine gum is going away for this company:

Itaconix widens loss after exiting nicotine gum business


Poll:

Comments are welcome.


NEWS from my friends across the pond: Vapers.org.uk.

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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 


Consumers Groups:


A Billion Lives

This isn’t over:


Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog.

More to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

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Organizations & Politicians LIE about E-cigs. It’s a business decision.

 

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In the never-ending onslaught of misleadings articles about vaping, this one,  by Maggie Fox  (Senior health writer @NBCNewshealth Science/Health/Tech)  was titled: “E-Cigarettes should be a last resort, heart doctors say“. There is clearly a discrepancy or three in this one. There are no mentions of any heart doctors in the article , instead the title guides the reader straight into the American Heart Association.  It is possible to assume crack staff  writer Maggie may not know the difference between heart doctors and the the AHA? A quick search doesn’t show Nancy Brown is a heart doctor. I could be wrong.


Please continue smoking:

According to the article, the  AHA, evidently, would prefer smokers to keep smoking  – and if you must, only try e-cigarettes as a last resort. CEO at the AHA, Nancy Brown states “the FDA should HURRY UP and regulate them”. We don’t want to dilly-dally  with regulations, do we?  Evidently the Heart Association’s intriguing “last resort” thing is a new POLICY. Those funds won’t just appear in the bank on their own, FDA. Hurry up. Toot-suite. Quick, like a bunny – before the public finds out what organizations and politicians are UP TO.

The comfort level must be almost unbearable with the film A Billion Lives due to be released shortly. Once it’s out, the lies will be exposed, and the public scrutiny of regulations will begin. Chop-chop, FDA. They can’t hold their lying breath forever!

 

Fox takes innuendo to the standard level, eluding to the usual wrong “children” stats (discrepancies are here & here ) while misinforming her readers. There’s the obligatory lie statement from Nancy Brown : “We are fiercely committed to preventing the tobacco industry from addicting another generation of smokers”.  Of course there’s the obligatory lie statement of vaping being a gateway, and nicotine being the root of all evil.

The link in the article – to the lies statement from the American Heart Association – is “not released” and unavailable. So, who are the doctors saying last resort? Brown was quoted in the article, stating “We fear that any additional delay of these new regulations will have real, continuing public health consequences”.

Yes, Nancy Brown, the business decisions you make health consequences are that the public will believe your lies and continue to smoke – since e-cigarettes will be treated the same in your world. Regulation in the form of taxes, is the goal. Remember when LESS smoking was the goal? Milk is not beef, syrup is not wood and nicotine is not tobacco. Deny it all you like, Research does exist, Nancy.


 

The Lung Association.

The Lung Association, headed by National President & CEO Harold Wimmer, has a business decision stance as well.  Out in California, my pal, Senator Mark Leno – after being defeated with SB140 last year, has revamped his effort to have e-cigarettes “accurately defined as tobacco products”. Olivia Gertz – the CEO of California’s chapter of the Lung Association is found here gloating stating she’s “proud to co-sponsor” legislative efforts with her business decision “to increase the state’s dismal national ranking in tobacco taxes“,  where they also mentioned the obligatory youth and health lie statements like above, yet taxes are the goal….

Bear with me as I’ll babble incessantly for your amusement:

Dismal ranking, Olivia? Embarrassed much? You’re worried about appearances? Is this a mirror check? LESS tobacco tax revenue = LESS smoking. That’s from all those vapers NOT smoking. Um, You’re WELCOME? Remember when organizations wanted us to NOT smoke?  Didn’t anyone plan properly for a drop in revenue from the “tobacco control efforts” over time taking the credit? SURPRISE. We’re doing YOUR job as well.


 

Now, as SFATA pointed out, former smokers  who use e-cigarettes – along with the tax in California – and believe me, this will be EVERYWHERE:

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That’s not acceptable.

Sorry, didn’t mean to yell. Who’s in charge? Where is the evidence and science to arbitrarily make things up? WHERE are the leaders? Why aren’t more in “public health” acting like Jim? Who will be the last organization standing? They are lying. They are making business decisions. If they have their way, they both will be. The AHA and the ALA were once well respected organizations within America. They once put their efforts towards helping people stay healthy (and educated, supposedly) in the minds of millions. Now they’re choosing instead to lie recoup millions of dollars in revenue, a day, keeping their business decisions and lies motives at bay to the general public at any cost. Their business decisions are now costing lives.

These (many) organizations who are now placing themselves squarely in the middle of the ring, hell bent on convincing the public they are fighting the good fight on vaping. Their only goal is to L I E to keep pressure on public opinion with the ONLY goal of “regulating” e-cigarettes for the sole purpose of keeping themselves in BUSINESS with tax revenue.

Accountability cannot come soon enough.


 

 

You, as an individual MUST be aware of what’s going on:

Inform yourselves.

casaa.org

vapingmilitia.org

notblowingsmoke.org

http://nomorecasualties.org


 

Your favorite online or brick & mortar retailer MUST be making every effort to keep you COMPLETELY informed of these issues.

If they aren’t a member of a state or national organization FIGHTING for THEIR business, I strongly suggest you find another place to do business.


 

Please, blow social media UP. Tell your non-smoking – non-vaping friends & family members they are being LIED to by these organizations and politicians worldwide.

TELL them about A Billion Lives.



 

I’m also here on Blasting News.

H.R. 2058 is up to now 50 supporters.


 

My challenge to ANY public health professional that nicotine is not addictive on it’s own.


 

E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.

Medical Professionals  go HERE.

MANY Links are to the left and right of this blog! Please see them!

More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regulate. Restrict. Tax. Ban. Taxing E-Cigarettes Like Tobacco.


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The all powerful, all knowing Offices of Management And Budget have the distinct decision of deeming regulations over e-cigarettes.

“Budget”.  Well. What does THAT have to do with e-cigarettes and the country? What does that have to do with the FDA (I thought they were the “authority”) and deeming regulations?

It’s about health, right? It’s about children, right?


If you DON’T know what I’m babbling about, you need to brush up on your information overload by going HERE to CASAA, and HERE immediately afterwards. You don’t even have to read this blog.


Regulate:

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1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc

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Restrict:

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1. to confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity.

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Tax:

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1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.

verb (used with object)

3. to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.).

  1. to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved.

4. to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one’s resources.

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UntitledWAIT!  NEVER MIND! We disassociated ourselves from that bill!

TAXES were taken out of it!

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Now it does no good?

I thought it was about YOUTH!

Public HEALTH!

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Guess NOT!

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Ban:

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1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:

2. the act of prohibiting by law; interdiction.


They can’t BAN them. Well…. lean closer to your screen. Countries already have.

Regulations, restrictions, taxes & bans are world WIDE. Here, and HERE.


According to the World Health Associations Margaret Chan, at W.H.O. – this organization does NOT like ecigs, but likes regulations of them ….

W.H.O., HOWEVER DOES like money. It’s a win-win solution!

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This, was added 12/12/15 by me from the much admired Brainy Furball.
This isn’t just the United States. This is worldwide.
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Speaking of MARGARET Chan

More from Robert Innes:

When Collusion Is Profitable For Parties – All Six of Them!


I certainly do not believe they will “ban” them in the United States. They have had since 2009 to stew on this. They’ve had PLENTY of time to “deem” them tobacco.

THEN, they have the wording so they can TAX them like tobacco. I’ll get back to that in a minute.

See Steve and his timeline of e-cigarettes in the United States


See, at first, they were probably thought of as a novel idea. E-cigarettes weren’t a threat.

As they evolved into 2nd & 3rd generation styles, they were making a huge dent in cash flow.

Disrupting many aspects of cash flow.


Noticeable in 2000, Pharmaceutical companies feel it –  see smoking cessation aids sales drop.

Pharmaceutical Companies are really feeling it in 2014 in this article:

Nicotine patch, gum sales drop with rise of electronic cigarettes

As E-cigarette sales rose E-cigarette Sales Rising 


Tobacco Companies were going down in 2011… and still are as of September of last year, according to Business Insider:

Watch The US Slowly But Surely Become A Nation Of Nonsmokers


Well.

This is exciting, Kevin. There must be more! IS there more?

I’m glad you asked that !

I’m not sure who said “e-cigs are disruptive”, but – here, take a break – read Chris Price’s view on e-cigarettes as a disruptive technology.


11/18 update:

Stanton Glantz… and his submission to the world of the FDA is here.


 

Guess who else is pissed about disrupting their cash flow?

Organizations. Lots of them. They depend on lots and lots of funding to sustain themselves. Grants. Automatic payments. Money.

E-cigarettes are taking that away. They don’t like that.

How convenient.


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Finally, the United States Government – and other tax collecting entities. Ever notice when you bought a pack of smokes how the sign may say “cigarettes sold at state minimum”?  No? Me either.



This does not help the Government – to lose all this money. Pharmaceutical companies are calling their “friendly” senators.

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Evidently, the group ASCAN

American Cancer Society Action Network –

already knows Congress actually works for them – not “the people”.

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Upstanding *cough, cough*  “Tobacco Control” *cough –  experts are also involved.

They want what’s best for us.

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And the Government, all by itself, is caving in.

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The Government is missing their money.

They want it taxed like tobacco.

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They NEED e-cigarettes regulated

as TOBACCO. So they can TAX it.

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It is NOT tobacco.


But that is what they want it to be.

It won’t include their FRIENDS

“APPROVED” nicotine products that we’ve tried

and for the most part, DON’T WORK.


Those products are derived from magical unicorn farts, not tobacco.

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If you’ve read this far – remember

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.


I need you to be ANGRY.


Support the organizations on this blog. Talk to people. CALL your congress/senators.

Write, email. hold up signs.

Call your media friends if you have any. Get the support of your doctors, schools, YELL.

Educate anyone you CAN.

TELL them this is about children having family members NO LONGER using tobacco.


TELL THEM this IS about HEALTH.


TELL them e-cigarettes take us AWAY from smoking.


TELL THEM it is NOT about NICOTINE.


We need a SWIFT and abrupt UPROAR worldwide.



Get mad. They’re taxing you because they miss their money.

It’s not even DEEMED tobacco, and it’s already happening in the United States.


You need to be ANGRY.


Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.


Stop ACCEPTING what is not true or real.

Nicotine is NOT TOBACCO. They want it deemed tobacco

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for loss of revenue they thought would LAST FOREVER. 

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E-Cigarettes are NOT acceptable to be part of their PONZI SCHEME.

WE stopped smoking. They WANT us to stop smoking. Now they don’t like that.

Less smoking, less revenue. It’s a PONZI scheme.


A documentary is coming, and not soon enough – (no rush, guys & gals) 🙂

about all of this:

A Billion Lives


Recommended reading:

How Wall Street Tobacco Deals Left States With Billions in Toxic Debt

Vaping Claimed First Victim One Year Ago

Tax Hikers Focused On 2016 Election

New CDC Data – More than 9 MILLION Adults Vape Regularly In The United States

Vaping For Tax Freedom

Burdensome vaping regulation about revenue, not health

DC budget would extend 70 percent tobacco tax to vapor products, e-cigarettes

Increased Tobacco Taxes Are Not the Answer

Mine:

Taxing Thoughts, A Ponzi Scheme.

Please Keep Smoking! Plausible Deniability, An Incestuous Relationship.

Without Integrity: Tobacco Harm Reduction In The U.S.A.

Lying Bastards


Some on the survey mentioned black market. Some proclaimed they’d do it themselves.
The only concern I’d have with that is – what about the current smokers who don’t know how or are afraid?
What will they do if e-cigarettes as we know them today with all generations – are considered illegal?
What about THIS lady?

Here are comments

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”

from the latest survey, unedited on question #41:

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco I believe:

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”


I make my own juice and would continue. I have a 20 year supply of nicotine in my freezer.
Friday, Oct 9th 10:52AM

One point, there would be less motivation, not no motivation. Because e-cigs have more to offer.
Thursday, Oct 8th 5:13PM

With no incentive to switch over why would they?
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM

it would be a heinous grievance against an entire community to make this change at this point in the game
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 2:03PM

That would be the worst thing you could do; limit the availability by keeping it out of a person’s financial reach.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM

There would be a huge black market. I do not foresee myself paying taxes on my ejuice. lol.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM

Other quit smoking products are not taxed, at least not in Sweden or Estonia, to tax e-cigarette liquids would be insane.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM

If they ban or regulate them to be as expencive as gums and pathes, the are making a huge mistake, a crime to public health.
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM

The cost savings was the biggest stimulation to try e-cigs.
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM

Apart from the obvious fact there is no legal reason to tax as tobacco, it would reduce the likely hood of some people trying them. As prices would be ridiculous it would also kill most of the industry that is already in place.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM

Ecigs will just become less appealing to new users, people established will find a way around anything, there will be a new black market to exploit.
Saturday, Aug 8th 7:53AM

Understand the patches, gum and inhalers are over the counter now and greatly reduced in price. The FDA a few yrs ago announced that there was no harm in nicotine useage from these products. Other than monetary gain for pharma companies, I can’t figure out why the fed and state gov’s would ban/restrict the use of vaping…..Except that individuals might be influenced with “donations”.
Thursday, Aug 6th 2:59AM

I would not have a problem, worst comes to the worst ill not use nicotine, and just mix my own as i do now!
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:25AM

It would be like the main goal of tobacco companies and the government would be money not my or anyone else’s health. This includes non-smokers because as a smoker they will inhale bad stuff, even if it’s 3rd hand smoke — which as a smoker they can get from my hair, clothes, home, car, etc. even if they are never ever around me while I actually smoke.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM

I make my own juice so that better not get more expencive!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM


There would definitely be less motivation for smokers to try them. Money and health were the two reasons I tried them. It would be completely irresponsible to tax them at the same rate.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM

It might slow down the Vaping movement, but it would continue to grow. A Giant Black Market would arise.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM

I have the right to make choices about my health. I choose to vape and to be tobacco- and smoke-free.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM

I think e-cigs should be taxed like any other product, but NOT like tobacco. Tobacco is taxed heavily because of the healthcare costs smoking produces. Vaping is not that dangerous, so it shouldn’t be taxed like tobacco.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:25PM

I can still afford it and would still vape, but it might easily deter others.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM

Criminal, but probably inevitable
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM

Not sure how the could justify taxing e cigarettes or e liquids. Other than vat
If e liquids where heavily taxed then more people would start diy mixing which in my opinion could be more dangerous if not knowledgable.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM

A lot of time, saving money is a big factor for quitting cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM

If they tax it, it wont affect me because i mix my own… Mother fukka’s are so gready!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM

if the taxes become outrageous then no new person is gonna bother trying and if the choices are limited then vaping will be no more successful than the patch or gum 🙁
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM

I am against any tax on e-cigarettes, it already costs to much for most people especially the ones that have moved from regular to e-cigs because they could no longer afford regular cigs.
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM

As a machinist, I can make my own mech mods and attys. I build my own attys, I don’t use regulated power supplies, and I make my own juice. They can’t hurt me… but they can certainly have a negative effect on others, both new and experienced.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:50PM

they are in no way, shape, or form – tobacco, stop trying to tax them as such!
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM

It will be a sad sad day when this happens. The biggest fear I have is government taking away what has clearly saved my life.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:15AM

the goverments want controll for the money it rakes in they just want their greedy little mitts on it. i think alot of people would go back to smoking, thats not good
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM

Politicians refuse to let a source of revenue lie dormant, peoples health is secondary
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM

I’ll make my own coils, my own juice – not going to tax me to hell and back.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM

I dont think taxes would stop people from vaping. I would not stop. But it will just weaken vaping and make it a bit less attractive, especially for new vapers.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM

black market, nuff said.
big tobacco and their croneys can GFTS!!
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM

I see no need to tax ecigarettes. We pay sales tax on this stuff, isn’t that enough for the state? It’s not my fault if the states depend on funds from a source that kills it’s consumers and needs to find money elsewhere now that they are earning less revenue do to people making a healthy switch. We should be rewarded for switching to vape since it’s a healthier alternative, not punished.
Saturday, Jul 18th 2:46PM

If the flavors are restricted or taken away, I wouldn’t be able to keep vaping. I’ve tried different tobacco flavors…even the tobacco flavor made by Marlboro…they all taste bad, even the menthol.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM

It would also create a huge black market of which i would be going to.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM

Motivation is multifactorial. I was actually motivated to buy my first ecig to replace the nicotine while I had a rabid ex-smoker in the house working for me. Once I tried it I felt I could use it to give up smoking for health. Money was never a motivation for me. “Is it cheaper” is usually the first question people ask me so it’s obviously a factor for most people.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM

I hope it will be recognized as the help people need to quit smoking and NOT taxed.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 12:23PM

A black market could develop
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM

Of course, it wouldn’t result in people not trying e-cigarettes at all, just because they’re not cheaper than tobacco anymore. That’s not the point. But it would increase the threshold for people to “just give it a try and see if it works”. If, at the time, a pack of cigarettes was 5 EUR and that eGo-T kit would have been 10 EUR, I might have hesitated to just give it a try. It might be a good idea to tax nicotine concentrate a bit more, so people have some incentive to drop their nicotine consumption or go down to 0mg – after all, a caffeine addiction is still an addiction, too.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM

i will import my goods meaning the UK will lose out on VAT.
Monday, Jul 13th 7:29PM

It would be criminal.
Monday, Jul 13th 5:24PM

They are NOT a tobacco product…so they should not be taxed as such
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM

There is absolutely no justification for treating vaping products the same as tobacco products.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:56PM

Taxes on tobacco were to offset the health care cost, vaping should be encouraged to help rid all of their need for tobacco
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM

Dear politicians, do NOT regulate it into a black market. I, however already have my black market sources set up. We ex-smokers ain’t playin’!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM

The e-cig users I know would never go back to tobacco – even with a tax on e-cigs. I would complain about the tax but would never go back to cigarettes.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:50AM

It would increase costs for no good reason, assuming they aren’t made with tobacco.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM

The fact that they are less expensive in the long run, combined with the fact that there is a big expense at the start, encouraging commitment to trying to stay with them instead of going back when it gets hard, makes e-cigarettes more likely to help smokers quit smoking for good. They should not be taxed like cigarettes are.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:33AM

Vaping is not smoking. Vaping is the solution to the problem of smoking.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM

i think its mainly a matter of principles and semantics. foodies generally arent bulimic, it doesnt mean the same thing so why should they be put in the same basket? I am not a smoker anymore so why should I be opressed as one? yes, i said opressed. that being said im not an economy analyst
Monday, Jul 13th 8:45AM

everything that we as people like get taxed on everything ,if they tax us on vaping equipment lots of people would not try and probably never quit ,I find that disgraceful
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM

People in the e-cig industry already regulate their own products to a much higher standard than most other industries..
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM

it would be the government wanting money to make up for there loss no better than drug dealers
Monday, Jul 13th 5:56AM

Trying to make vaping less accessible irresponsible, dangerous and will cost lives.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM

I am fairly confident I will never go back to cigarettes. They are disgusting.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:08AM

Never going back
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:27PM

How do you tax something as tobacco when there is no tobacco in it? Do they tax lighters and ashtrays like tobacco? Do they tax nicotine patches and gums like tobacco?
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM

Some tax will be involved it’s the American way, but should Never be treated the same…
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM

they should be taxed and regulated to an extent tobacco taxs are out of the question
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:32PM

If/when the e-cig industry gets taxed at the same level as the tobacco industry, you will see less motivation for borderline smokers/vapers to switch to vaping, in their minds it would be like; Why bother to smoke and vape, its gonna cost me about the same either way, I liked smoking, I’m gonna go back to smoking. Another thing I think you will see is the vape industry go underground, black market kinda thing. Online sales with little to no regulation what so ever will be the way to go. With some of the larger vendors become even larger and richer, and some of the smaller and mid size companies will expand and get larger as well. All the rest, the small fry will either get bought up by the other vendors, or will simply go out of business. It is scary to think that the politicians have the e-cig industry by the short and curlies, for what reason? GREED plain and simple.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM

We are not using tobacco and vaporizers and eliquid should not be controlled and taxed the way tobacco is. Smoking cigarettes is deadly. Vaping is not.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:17PM

Small vape shops would not survive the costs.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM

I hope when regulations come and tax the products, they consider the fact most of our industry is comprised of businesses with 10 people or less. Please regulate us as such, we are not a giant corporation.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM

Its probably gonna happen
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:55PM

This question should be split. Taxed=it would be totally unfair to vapers. Regulated=it would protect vapers.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:23PM

I might go back to smoking because of the price … or go black market with health risks
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:39PM

How is punishing someone for choosing a healthier
lifestyle sane?
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM

The prices would say rocket and people wouldn’t be able to afford it. If am item that is $120 and say gets taxed 70% like Washington DC the price goes up to $205 and that’s just the tax let alone what the shop needs to make a profit so like $230 alot of people including my self can’t afford that.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:54AM

Those in charge would lower the percentage of niccotine in eliqiud , and we would be stuck with those silly cigarrete look a like e-cigs!
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:31AM

This is the only strategy that will get the government away from criticizing the industry.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM

I believe that the regulations for the E-cig industry will tower over the tobacco, in that there are over 4100 hazardous chemicals, 57 of them are known cancer causers in each puff of a cigarette. There is no comparison between the 2.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM

There will become a black market for them.
Sunday, Jul 12th 8:21AM

It would destroy the industry and hurt countless people!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM

Vaping saves lives compared to tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:01AM

Money is one of the big motivating factors, I believe.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM

taxing like cigarettes would drive people back to smoking as prices would be crazy high as they are its not a cheep alternative now
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM

Taxing and regulating e-cigarettes the same as combustable tobacco products while keeping those on the market would result in people who could otherwise switch not doing so. Ultimately that would be detrimental to public health. Some people cannot or do not want to abstain from nicotine, and as adults should have the right to determine for themselves the form they wish to take their nicotine. However, those forms which are less harmful, or perceived to be less harmful to the individual user should be encouraged by less taxation and fewer regulations than combustible products with known health effects.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM

This would be a public health travesty.
Epic stupidity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:58PM

I don’t believe it should be regulated or taxed as a tobacco because it is not. Comparing apples to oranges…
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM

if they made if so I cannot purchase the ingredients I need, like nicotine to make my ejuice. I would probably just go to zero nic. But MANY people would return to smoking. If I could not make zero nic ejuice I would probably fall into smoking rapidly.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM

just be a dangerous health question
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM

Which would suit big tobacco and big pharmaceutical companies producing patches and gum for us all to rely on them.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM

could become cost prohibitive.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:07PM

The cost is often the first carrot to tempt people to make the switch, and any impediment to getting people to stop using traditional tobacco products is a very, very bad idea (except for Big Tobacco).
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:07AM

I would just by juice in parts and mix my own
Saturday, Jul 11th 4:21AM

This is about me not smoking cigarettes, not about taxes, if the government taxed e cigarettes I would be very disappointed , that would make a tax look like a tax grab not about a choice of the lessor of 2 evils.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM

Would make me hate tobacco and government even more. Astonishing how the greatest cause of preventable death in the world is still legal and on the market. People have voting power and the more people that take side with the viability of PV’s, the more influence there will be to prevent this from happening.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM

No matter what I’ll will not go back to tobacco , if I had to I would just completely quit it all , just have to replace my time with exercise , painting. Let’s see them tax that !!
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:59AM

I would still vape
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM

There are smokers and there are vapers seldom do I see both
Friday, Jul 10th 10:42PM

It is not tobacco.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM

You cannot just pick up an ecig and vape. There is so much you need to learn to work the equipment properly and find a taste that you enjoy and a nicotine level that you need. Vape shops need to be able to explain various products they have. People need to be able to sample the e-liquid before they buy or they will just be wasting money on things that don’t work and just stick to smoking because it is so much easier.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:48PM

It will open the doors to subpar ejuices and mock mods, tanks accessories, black market. No one wants toxic chems in their ejuice, no one wants sub par Mods, tanks.
Friday, Jul 10th 3:04PM

There´s allways a choise not to pay too much. Though it would ruin business locally (the few left, most of them allready went abroad)
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM

While many of us (myself included) would continue to vape regardless (because we are capable of DIY building everything necessary from devices, to vaporizers, to e-liquids) this would stop thousands or more from being able to successfully kick the smoking habit!
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:22PM

If categorized as a tobacco product, people may think they are just as harmful. Also, the fact that ecigs are much cheaper is a huge factor in people deciding to try them, and ultimately quit cigarettes all together.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 12:12PM

Vaping is not a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:33AM

It would be an unconscionable effort by the government to recoup lost revenues from the cigarette taxes that they have profited from to date. History will reveal the great lies and deceit of the tobacco vilification of our semi recent political climate regarding tobacco use, and the huge government profits gained by this slanted social agenda.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:22PM

I wouldn’t be going back to smoking but it would effect those who currently smoke.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM

I think regulation would be better for safety, but taxing like tobacco would be bad.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:37PM

I would start mixing my own e liquid and buy hardware from overseas or from ‘vaping underground’
Monday, Jul 6th 9:57AM

Doesn’t bear thinking about.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM

Make your own E juice it’s easier then most people think.
Saturday, Jul 4th 4:45PM

And obviously – the only people to gain from this is the government.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 11:58PM

In countries where sale of e-liquids containing nicotine, this would in effect legalize those liquids. This of course means, that the regulation is not completely skewed to not reflect the amounts people use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM

There would be less motivation for smokers to try them. Many vapers would go back to smoking. It would be likely for the emergence of a ‘black market’ with products really dangerous to public health similar to the trade in illicit alcohol.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM

Regulation also has the issue that it would basically kill all the BETTER devices, mods, atomizers etc. and cig-a-likes would invade the markets which almost everyone knows are not effective / satisfying at all. Also one of the main things compared to smoking has always been SAVING MONEY while having some “bad habbit”. Taxing and regulation would make everything much more expensive than what it is and would also kill smaller businesses and give e-cigarette industry to tobacco companies who have the money.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:43PM

One of the reasons i switched over to vaping is that its a LOT cheaper than smoking( atleast in Finland). Roughly 5€ a pack of smokes, 1 pack a day is 150€ a month. I ordered liquids that i mix myself, cost roughly 80€, and it lasts me 4-6 months.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 10:29AM

No proven harm = NO SIN TAX. They can tax it when they calculate harm and tax-payer burden in financial terms, but it should also reflect the savings/reduction in harm from cigarette use. A decrease in sin tax revenue from tobacco is NOT a reason to tax as they are supposed to be collected to cover associated social costs of cigarette use, which would drop along with cigarette use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 9:07AM

…and cause many many more people to die unnecessarily from tobacco related illnesses.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:22AM

Vaping is a safer form of smoking and most definitely prolongs people’s well-being should they switch to vaping over tobacco, therefore should not be taxed
Monday, Jun 29th 4:42PM

Taxation already exists in the form of VAT on purchases. If taxation is increased I will shop more from abroad to avoid paying the UK Government monies I do not believe are justifiable.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM

I don’t think I would go back, but I would probably look at untaxed sources
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM

Flavours and nic strength wouldn’t be such a choice either. Not to mention finding a device for each individual.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM

It would be likely to reduce access to non-smokers wanting to vape. That being said, this is a low number of people who it would affect.
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM

They should NOT be taxed – end of.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM

Sales tax alone is income to the government, sales that otherwise would not be there. Anything more is just government greed and abuse of governmental authority and power. There should not even BE a “sin tax”. Furthermore overtaxing will destroy the industry and put it firmly in the hands of Big Tobacco.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM

#1. Some people will always smoke cigarettes.
#2. It depends on how high the tax is. If it is
less than cigarettes we have a chance at
introducing them to smokers to save money (and
improve their health)
#3 If the tax is comparable to cigarettes, then
we approach the smoker on change of lifestyle,
improved health, better living environment,
etc.
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM

Very sad day.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM

Some teens have a passing interest in e-cigarettes, but are far more interested in smoking. One of the biggest draws is saving money over smoking – health is a far second.
Sunday, Jun 28th 8:24AM

In the UK we pay VAT on vaping anyaway so there is no real need to tax.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:12AM

I would find a black market
Sunday, Jun 28th 7:00AM

While I would never smoke tobacco again, I know many who aren’t far enough along the quitting process and would revert to smoking.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:36AM

I think the government wants use to smoke as they get a lot of money from smokers. I am sad to say that but I think it is true.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:01AM

I’m one of the few people that enjoy saying, “I don’t know” when asked something I don’t know the answer to
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM

If e-cigarettes are taxed and regulated the same way tobacco is, this would cause a lot of small businesses to be shut down because they wouldn’t be able to afford the measures needed to meet these absurd regulations, or they would have to upcharge their products so much that it would be MORE expensive than cigarettes. This would put an end to innovative vaping technologies, creative thinking, and ultimately drive vapers back to smoking!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:23PM

ofcourse, tax it, and I’ll buy tax free online internationally thankyou very much, but if vaping was made to cost anything close to the price of smoking, it would be a complete disaster, it would give smokers no real motivation to vape vs smoke.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM

It wouldn’t effect me because I DIY.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:02PM

This is where the government needs to be locked out!
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:28PM

My shop would close the day after that tax went into effect.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:22PM

It would be a crime! People deserve the chance and it isn’t tobacco so don’t tax it like it is. Part of quitting tobacco was to save me money.
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:05PM

Taxed like Tobacco would deter people from wanting to try it because they’re paying the same tax on vapor products as they would cigarettes.. At that point it would only come down to the people who would really want to stop, and need the alternative.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:46PM

This is perhaps the biggest concern I have right now. I want to see anyone who wants to try e-cigs to have the chance!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM

Price is driving a good deal of my business. Taxes will hurt.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:27PM

I originally tried it because I wanted to save money. I really had no expectation of quitting since nothing I’ve tried had worked. If they cost the same as tobacco cigarettes, less people may be inclined to try them. I quit over a year ago and the only reason I’m not saving ugh money is because it has become a hobby collecting gear and new devices.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:37PM

Taxation would mean more people keeping on smoking and not trying egigs
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:33PM

It would lessen the incentive for tobacco users to switch to vaping
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:55AM

nothing would change except pricing
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:13AM

And it would be illegal in France to tax them as tobacco or even near.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM

It would deter new people to vaping, but to those of us that are experienced it wont. How are you going to tax pg vg and flavor? It is really easy to make, coils wick and all. That’s what’s driving everyone insane. They can tax the disposables, but no one buys them now anyway.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:27AM

I am lucky, I can make mods, atties and juice. Most will not have this luxury.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:49AM

It would seriously harm vaping and could destroy it.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM

I would stop vaping and I wouldn’t use any tobacco products.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:40AM

It can already be inaccessible financially, I feel further taxation, particularly in the ranges I’ve seen proposed, would be downright discriminatory to lower income individuals.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM

I’d be pissed off!
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:00AM

we will make a black market,no thanks on your tax..
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:32AM

I personally would try to find a black market solution to avoid pointless taxation and stealth vape in public places.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:21PM

Primarily, the majority of folks that would still vape are those that have truly experienced how bad smoking can harm the body.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:33PM

I think it would have to be fairly draconian for me to consider going back to smoking. Will undoubtedly slow take up and discourage switching though, which would be a big fail for public health.
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM

I can make literally everything I need myself, except for the nicotine extract. If it’s taxed to hell, I’ll just be planning semi-annual trips to Mexico.
Just sayin’.
Friday, Jun 26th 1:43AM

I won’t be going back to smoking
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM

It depends on the regulations set. If it was controlled by the cigarette industry I really do not know what I would do.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM

If you treat it like tobacco it will have a stigma of tobacco this may put people off from trying also as money sometimes can be a factor taxing it would also not help it should be treated as a consumer product with some regulations ie 18 age restriction with support of health officials as a way of stopping using tobacco
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM

The government only cares about your tax money and will do whatever it takes to get it. The health argument is just a political goto strategy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:28PM

I would learn to make my own ejuice!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:29PM

stupidest decision on the planet
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:09PM

it will assist with closing local shops. And I wll not buy online, so therefore could push me back to smoking tobacco
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM

Flavourings are used in food as well and would be very hard to tax, nicotine and vg/pg would be hard to tax as well and can be stored in freezers for years to come.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM

People will continue to smoke, even if ecigs were being given away.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:29PM

SIN TAX OK
CIGARETTE TYPE TAX NOT OK
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:49PM

To treat e-cig users as smokers, and e-cig products as tobacco products, infringes on our rights. It is ignorant and dishonest. it makes me question the people who have been elected into power and the industries pulling their strings.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM

Taxed or regulated as tobacco, would be seen as “being the same as tobacco” – even though vaping CLEARLY is not smoking.
The same as banning people to walk around in public with water bottles, since no one can tell if its really water in that bottle, or maybe vodka/gin?
There has to be an incentive to switch to vaping – other than improving health. Harm reduction and harm reversal seems to be the main goals of switching, and the most smokers are low-middle income people, that really wants to save a penny and get on with a life not chained to smoking cigarettes. If tobacco/vaping were to be taxed and regulated even stricter, with higher prices – that would only benefit the big companies and the governments … the smokers/vapers would still buy the products (liquids/e-vapes/cigarettes) even if the price went skyhigh, and the rest of the family (the children) will be left to pay the ultimate sacrifice: What ever money is left, after the vaping/smoking products has been bought, is what is left for food, clothes a.s.o.
Tobacco/vaping gear are “BARE NECESSITIES” – or “need to have” – food and clothes will (by smokers) be seen as “nice to have”.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:48AM

My circle of novice users and I will continue vaping because we have a large amount of private stock to last us for 10 years or more. Everyone should do that. someone who Taxes a healthier alternative over tobacco does not earn respect and should never win.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM

Personally, I will NOT go back to smoking tobacco, whatever the law is. If necessary, I’ll become a criminal – after being a good citizen for almost 50 years.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:31AM

in my country it would be twice as expensive as
smoking is so it will be harder to get people to
switch over to the amazing world of vaping sadly
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:10AM

Governments would also be attaching their revenues to a variable source which their motivation is to see diminish. This is the very definition of fiscal insanity and must be resisted, not for the health of the vaping industry but for the health of the population as a whole.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM

cost is always a factor but if they cost the same I would still use my vape rather than smoking because it has allowed me to ween off nicotine
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:49PM

for myself, i don’t care. I build my own coils, i can DIY for my liquid to avoid taxes. But it will prevent some smokers from trying and that’s a shame.
Unfortunatly, Taxes may be the only thing that will make governments support the ecig. If they can get their money from the ecig, as much as with the regular ones, and with less health issues….believe me, if this happens, you will see a bunch of officials and media praising the holy ecig…
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM

I believe I would totally quit. We are taxed to death now.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28PM

The states would reap the profits the small store would close and people will go back to tobacco use because it will be cheaper.( i can guarantee that) people will be dying from smoking more and more. This is not the right answer
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24PM

You can’t regulate something like tobacco if there isn’t tobacco in it.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:27PM

..in Canada to classify a product as something that it is not, for the purpose of regulation/taxation.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:23AM

For me, my e-cig is a health product, why would they tax something that’s saving them spending money to treat me for health issues?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM

If ecigs are treated the same as tobacco, it will deter smokers from switching. If it comes to the point that ecigs are no longer available or so expensive I couldn’t afford them, I’d go straight to the black market without any guilt whatsoever.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM

Treatments for disease (tobacco addiction) should not be taxed. Sin tax was placed on tobacco to offset the healthcare costs. There is no evidence that vaping causes any harm to health or increased cost to healthcare. If anything reducing smoking reduces health consequences. We should be handing vapes out in hospitals & healthcare facilities
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:00PM

Just like when cigarette taxes increased and we saw an increase of tobacco trafficking, we will see the industry move underground. And probably with a lot more success than tobacco ever had, as it’s not that difficult to do much of this stuff yourself.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM

Before I started vaping I was spending 500$ or more a month between the wife and myself. After starting vaping its half that per month, however, I do splurge on new mods 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:32AM

They say smoking costs the NHS a lot of funds over the years, so are taxed to help cover those funds, yet people that vape are now not using the service for smoking related illnesses, which in the long term should see less having to be spent because of people having a healthier lifestyle?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:57AM

If e-cigarettes were taxed, I would be pissed-off, but I would still use them (and start hunting for good deals online!)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:07AM

So stupid to tax it. But we all know its coming.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM

Again MONEY is the primary objective. Big Tobacco and Pharmacuticals have lost aLOT of money due to less revenue by individuals choosing to VAPE. It is a BRUTAL shame that many (IF taxed/regulated) a smoker may never try vaping for THAT reason. I may spend more now stockpiling but in the long run, it will pay for itself! Would I go back to smoking – NO, I’ve been on the other side too long. I have stocked up on a multitude of supplies.
Never will I give my funds to do harm t my body and honestly the thought of the taste of burning tobacco … bleck !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM

If E cigarettes are regulated the same as tobacco products then we may as well sick a fork in my eye as there is no hope and the world has gone mad!
oh i know lets regulate something to the point its impossible for users to have a decent vape then tax it and encourage converting back to killer cigarettes costing the nhs a fortune stupid f@*ked up world.
Sarcasm!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:16AM

I believe the government does not care one
bit about our health. It’s all about the tax.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:07AM

Vaping should be encouraged, and for those that need help affording this technology, the money raised from smokers for smoking should be made available to any smoker who wishes to quit smoking in any manner.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:48AM

ecigs will eventually become the norm for nicotine delivery!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:47AM

There is no reason to tax like cigarettes, that is just a money grubbing tactic by the government because so many people are quitting they are losing money. Some states states are going to be in it deep when they need to start paying off the tobacco settlement money bonds.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28AM

Would make it just as expensive and therefore less viable choice for quitting.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM

People with health awareness could still prefer vaping no matter the cost.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:20AM

taxation will not effect me unless it’s at a ridiculous rate
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:58AM

It would be criminal and the worst decision ever made by trying to gain money from a health product.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM

This is why I learned to wrap and wick coils, and to make my own e-liquid. The government can stuff their taxes in any orifice they feel appropriate. 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:57AM

I would sue the government, and seek criminal charges.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:54AM

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco, I believe the government who passes that legislation has effectively murdered millions of people.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:33AM

It depends on how extensive the taxing was and how much the prices would go up. But yes any taxing would make it less accessible and more likely to deter people from trying.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:22AM

It would be a stupid thing to do as one of the main reasons for taxing tobacco is to deter users due to the danger.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:33AM

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Taxing Thoughts, A Ponzi Scheme.

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Here are my thoughts to you, Mr. Lawmaker. Lots to cover, I’ll try to be brief. Tax on e-liquid. Well, there’s no tobacco in liquid. There’s nicotine in some e-liquid, but not all e-liquid contain nicotine. If e-liquid is a tobacco product, then aren’t other nicotine reduction devices tobacco products as well? The Patch, Nicorette and other nicotine reduction products contain nicotine.

If your desire to tax e-liquid as a tobacco product to create revenue for the great state you are in, then consider the statement you’re making before going forward with this plan. Won’t those nicotine filled tobacco cessation devices fall under “other tobacco products” as well? They don’t contain tobacco.

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You do know tomatoes, potatoes and other nightshade plants have nicotine in them, right? That’s a fact. Imagine, farmers and gardeners all over are producing nicotine!


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The Master Settlement Agreement & Its Impact on Tobacco Use 10 Years Later


To tax devices and components. Well, there again, you’re overstepping your analysis of tobacco. Batteries in and of themselves are not tobacco. Are pipes considered tobacco? Lighters? Ash trays? Then I’d imagine you see how silly taxing a battery or other device as a tobacco product may seem.

Tops used with vaping are nothing more than plastic & a heating element. To say a tax on eliquid or devices is a tax to fund awareness for anti-tobacco or education. Well, that obviously hasn’t worked out well over the years. The Master Settlement Agreement from 1998:

How Wall Street Tobacco Deals Left States With Billions In Toxic Debt

is what those funds are for, are they not?


If it’s then designed to “balance” a state budget, then please, I’d love to tax you so I can balance my budget here at home. I’m not a lawmaker, I certainly don’t know all there is to know about everything, You are imposing a sales tax on something that is not tobacco. I see vaping as an alternative to smoking. I see pure greed in making this a law in any state. I see many people continuing to smoke with the very proposal of a tax.

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You wouldn’t want that, would you? I stopped smoking. You and I both know this isn’t about public health. I know it isn’t about children.

It’s about revenue. Cold hard cash. Want some revenue? Tax some golf courses at these rates proposed. (Sorry golfers, just an example).

In essence, the tax on tobacco and then including vaping with it, is fast becoming a ponzi scheme. The way I see it, when the money doesn’t come in like it used to because less tobacco is now being sold due to vaping, the state raises tax rates on what money is coming in, creating revenue on something that is tobacco, and isn’t tobacco.

Not fair to the tobacco user, and certainly not fair to one who is no longer using tobacco.


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You say investment, I say ponzi scheme. I use a “personal electronic nicotine inhalant device”. I happen to use nicotine in it. Some do not. It’s not a cigarette. It’s not tobacco. It is saving lives.

I have information and testimony on this blog from around the world. Eye opening information. Plenty of links. Plenty of education/information for anyone wanting to know. These devices are changing the world, but a smart legislator like you in your prestigious position surely already knows that. 😉

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Please, if you’d like to make a difference in the State you legislate, stand up. Take a powerful and completely noticeable stance on this. Be one of the first to do so. I know it’s not a “popular” thing, but It’s not about tax revenue in the end, It’s about peoples very lives.

Your decision to make a difference is too big to make it lightly and affects not only your state, not only the county, but will speak to the world. I’ll say one more time, lives are what is at stake.

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ADDED 5/29/16

Tobacco Taxation and Unintended Consequences: U.S. Senate Hearing on Tobacco Taxes Owed, Avoided, and Evaded

ponzischeme


Because of the nicotine? Please. Nicotine is not “addictive” without tobacco / MAOI’s.

Specifically, with non-tobacco users and the patch:

nicotine addiction patch

More on that statement:

Study explores nicotine patch to treat memory loss

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466669/


Virginia just voted this idea down.

Panel kills bills to raise virginia cigarette taxes


I’m sure you recognize this: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. Thank you for your time. A non-smoking vaper.

Another great read:

Puff, The Magic Settlement


Here’s a great quote from BJ Cunningham on why it is the government that sell cigarettes not tobacco companies.

BJ Cunningham – Death Cigarette Quote


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