While we’re still waiting on President Trump to make decisions on banning flavors of less harmful products, or keeping them on the market, the Non-Governmental Organizations (NGO’s) posing as “public health” have no real interest in the health of the public, are politically and financially motivated. They can’t quit lying, and have completely lost their minds.
Credibility and trust is lost
Can they quit lying? I didn’t think I’d have to use their own words against them, but I personally tracked down, quoted, and linked the hard to find (often halfhearted but necessary to voice – just to cover their asses) these comments and positions of these NGO’s and government officials for a reason. THR4Life also took the time explaining to consumers the positions of many of these organizations in a blog called “What consumers need to know“.
Now, some have chosen to lose their comprehension of less harm and replace it with fear and hysteria, and here we are.
If it were about smoking and public health, NGO’s would take advantage of the all-time (13.7%) lowest smoking rates EVER by supporting (and making public perception better) the less harmful alternatives like snus and vaping products. Instead, not only are NGO’s lying, they’re telling small businesses (and consumers like you and me) to quit lying. Doing so is misleading the public. Period.
THC deaths and illnesses gave them their only advantage to confuse the public lie to the public with malice. With that, they stretched the lies further by pointing directly at “youth” initiation, and directly blame flavors (and marketing) for something anyone under 18 (21 in some states) are illegally purchasing.
It is they who cannot quit lying. In the quest to flip their narrative, irresponsible tactics of NGO’s have completely ignored “substantial and immediate benefits” of Harm Minimization with less harmful products like snus and vaping products.
They are using their influence to lie to the public (consumers who need proper information) and ultimately – the world.
When will they quit lying?
They’ve consistently justified “keeping potential consumers of legal products ignorant about this information” and withheld differential risks of less harmful products.
The American Cancer Society has revised their position by saying “The revision seeks to clarify ACS guidelines in light of recent spikes in e-cigarette use among youth and young adults, combined with the lack of regulation by the FDA.”
Cliff Douglas (below) is “VP for Tobacco Control, American Cancer Society, and faculty, University of Michigan School of Public Health.”
I’m not sure if he had a moment of clarity or guilt, but I give him crap when he’s being obstinate, so I’ll give him kudos for tweeting this today.
Now it seems thousands of members of another NGO, the American Medical Association ( I can’t technically call this political front group a “body parts organization”)
So – thousands of medical professionals suddenly can’t seem to recognize the difference between clearly tainted, illegal products, and less harmful alternatives because they are “not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration as smoking cessation tools”?
Note: The American Lung Association has never stated anything positive about vaping products to my knowledge.
I noticed around 2014 – if a “public health” official’s lips are moving, they’re probably lying. They’ve never stopped.
In light of Trump wanting the industry to be taxed $100 million a year, (that CONSUMERS will incur) and the uncertainly of who the “diverse group of advocacy, industry, non-profits, medical associations, and state officials” President Trump is meeting with on Friday, can we trust Trump with the heavy influence of NGO’s above?
Between saying flavors will be banned, cancelling meetings with the Office of Budget and Management, the D.C. rally on the White House lawn, THOUSANDS of tweets like #WeVapeWeVote and #15Sec4Vape , letters, phone calls to the White House – and pressure from other sources, will Trump come to his senses?
Is access to public data an unreasonable request? What will the complete data reveal? Are snippets of data the best way to inform the public? If the full spectrum of the data is withheld, what is real, what is contrived?
“If you repeat a lieoften enough, it becomes the truth.”
The problem with research misconduct must be of epidemic proportions. So much so, the Department of Health and Human Services has its own division defining such misconduct called the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), and a definition of said misconduct.
“Research misconduct is defined as fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism in proposing, performing, or reviewing research, or in reporting research results.”
“Falsification is manipulating research materials, equipment, or processes, or changing or omitting data or results such that the research is not accurately represented in the research record.”
It would seem all data would be required to have a clear picture of the information being displayed presented to make an informed case, decision, or outcome. The authority in charge has no business writing or promoting a narrative, when data can and shall speak for itself.
Instead, snippets become headlines, and headlines create the story narrative.
“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth“
In the case of e-cigarettes, and the latest “data” on youth use, it is to present manipulate the claim of an ‘epidemic’ in order to willfully threaten legal adult choices, using snippets of data designed to “fit a narrative” as my friend, U.S. Surgeon General, Dr. Jerome Adams has done, and has accused.
It’s backward. Snippets (subliminal or not) can sell ideas. Create campaigns. Change public opinion.
Mining for data can be useful. Depending on the criteria, displaying data to ones liking is misleading. Similar to Stanton Glantz below, that is propaganda.
Skewed data is…well, you can make anything look like you want it to look for your own purposes. I think I am afraid of both films Nicolas Cage appears in, and pools. Why? I’m not sure what I’m afraid of, Nicolas Cage isn’t his real name, but looking at data tells me I should… Oh never mind.
In this blog, I will attempt to demonstrate two things. First, the following tweets and subtweets can be confusing. Second, if I can post things in here properly and explain, you won’t be confused. Either way, they are snippets, and you’ll probably be confused.
It started with (well, not really, I’m using my interpretation of the data) a question to the highest “ranking” Medical Doctor from Mike Peterson:
In this tweet, the Surgeon General clearlyseems to has “doubts” that Mike “really wanted this information”. Surgeon General Adams must not look away from his snippets accomplishments on his “I love me” wall and must be suspicious of anyone questioning his integrity my snippet. Shame on you, Mike!
Oh, I think Mike wanted the information. That’s alright, Dr. Adams. You don’t require my assurance adults are looking harder than you are for any detrimental outcomes of any facet of e-cigarettes.
It’s not as if we’re a large and growing community of consumers including Doctors like yourself, Lawyers, Teachers, Nurses, Statisticians, Scientists, Cooks, Truck Drivers, and other professionals, along with lovers of data and science. And math. In fact, one of us is a… nope… my narrative, so further down the data hole you go.
I’ll insert a quick snippet from my personal life. The words from a Neurologist to my wife was:
“We’re setting up testing for onset of Alzheimer’s and dementia.”
Is that a snippet of a much greater assessment? Can you discern from the quote she, in fact, has Alzheimer’s or dementia? Do you have enough data to make the determination? You really don’t know. I’m saving it for a different blog.
Note the words ” in the interest of correcting misunderstandings”. Misunderstandings are snippets, Dr. Adams. Vape shops aren’t included in “this” analysis is correct, by stating “equally high violation rate”, you overstepped your ego, data, or knowledge, position narrative.
He’s right. Snippet. The statement just above was “they aren’t included in this analysis” and “shops have an equally high violation rate“, and refers to this graphic he posted below:
I proudly show you my snippet! Go ahead, click on it, it’ll enlarge.
Because he was prompted by – anyone’s comments – and saw my amateur hour cut/paste of his just above, below he explains how narrative and roles to play suddenly are important. His data went from “equally high violation rate” to some vape shops. Also, he displays his knack of interacting with the public quite… well, I’ll let you come to your own conclusions. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
“It’s easy to cut & paste snippets”…because the whole picture isn’t a narrative, I just couldn’t let that one go. If data and information is explained properly, there is no need for “snippets”. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
Here, I’m not sure if he’s being condescending on purpose, or if he just doesn’t know he’s tweeting to a known impugner. I am also an uneducated “backwards backwoodsman from one of the colonies.” (Thanks, Alan, I knew that would come in handy eventually! ) Oh, go on, there’s something I was determined to take out of context. Damn me. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
To further reiterate his position snippet, he grabs some more data from his cuff and explains some gibberish about technical stuff I probably wouldn’t understand anyway… something about this does look like a high ranking public health official explaining a snippet narrative, maybe it’s just me. We’ve gone from … well, this data thing just isn’t my forte’.
Imagine how confused the public must be.
Well, Mike (he’s mentioned above), and Jake got data. In fact, they mined the data. Turns out twenty-one money penalties were assessed. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
To “That Damned Ninga, he agrees. Vape shops are “doing much better”… he also wants everyone else to agree. I often forget I’m constantly asked to agree with something because it will fit a narrative. I wonder what happens when the public just nods their head in agreement when a public official says to. Couldn’t be all bad, I suppose. Either way, he wants everyone to agree. By golly, I’m almost going to agr…. nope. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
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Trusting the highest doctor in the land to provide competent, well-constructed answers to convey issues with facts, when he, in fact, won’t do it seems futile. Instead, he has chosen to act on authority, instinct, and sticks to the data (dammit) script.
“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”
Then, addressing (you and me) the public as if we’re a bunch of nine-year-olds is pretty – well, idiotic. Starting at about the time I could talk, I’ve questioned authority and integrity a long time. Pre-loaded answers come with loaded questions where I come from – the backwoods of one of the original colonies.
In fact, I’ll use your “It’s easy to cut & paste snippets” own sarcastic words against you, Dr. Adams. Also, I have repeatedly asked for data. So much so, it’s redundant, repetitive and repeats itself. It should, could, may, might or even would, speak for itself.
The reason I keep asking the same questions over and over?
Dr. Adams own words:
In the meantime, if you’re approaching a city, township, county, or state hearing about sales to minors, or that vape shops are contributing to the delinquency of minors, I highly suggest these two graphics to use at your disposal, just as the Heart, Lung, Cancer, and other healthorganizations will. Let them sort it out with facts, not preconceivednotions and media sound bitessnippets (dammit) data.
Here’s the chart from Jake Jacobsen: According to data, if you click on it, it’ll get bigger!
Here is the chart alone from Mike Peterson: Yep, click:
Bring your nose a bit closer to the screen – at a second glance, this is what you may have missed: Wait, back up, just click!
The overall narrative is to put big scary numbers out, fueling the fire of an epidemic. I (we, vapers paying attention) want the truth. I don’t for one minute think any of us want anything less, good or bad. We’re adults, we can take the snippets data.
When looking at inspections just above, there is no “epidemic”, and the fact is, in 2018:
There were 146,376 inspections.
There were 17,456 total violations
Of 17,456 violations, 2,060 were “ends and e-liquid.
Of those violations, 229 were vape shops. (Vape shops: STOP that.)
Things that make you go hmmmm…..
And Juul? If you believe their “epidemic” data, Vuse was the front runner of underage sales violations at 1,729… so, they should have at least tried harder at purchasing Juul to complete the narrative.
Silly data makers. Go ahead, scroll back up if you need to. I’ll wait.
Sounds as if you’re still confused. I apologize for torturing you, but I feed a mouse cheese just to do my math for me.
This an enforcement issue all the way around. Underage sales at vape shops are NOT a contributing factor to an epidemic, which is still a snippet of the overall message portrayed. Kids stealing from their parents like they did cigarettes? Probably. Straw purchases? Likely.
Illegal sales – meeting the “definition” of an ‘epidemic’? Doubtful.
“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”
On to the “epidemic”.
If, after reading this blog, you are still confused, I will conclude, from snippets, and so shall you, that confusion is intentional. The snippet below is a confusing mess, by design. The bottom right tweet on his personal account, in a “non-official” capacity, was just a few days before he announced as Surgeon General there indeed “is” an epidemic. I hope we can all agree, the data is in the contrived details. Go ahead, click on it, it’ll get bigger!
“Morals are standards set by those who want their standards met by others.”
I don’t want situational ethics, nor do I want morals and feelings mixed into the narrative. Here is what I want. I want the law to be obeyed. I want parents to be aware, not act on “reefer madness” type propaganda, and ultimately, parents to parent.
Specifically, I want the data to speak for itself. Both for adults looking for a safer alternative to smoking, and the narrative of an “epidemic” to be scrutinized, specifically when a public HEALTH official is threatening adult choices for less harmful products – unless we agree with his narrative. Jim McDonald says it best.
I want the public to be aware of the best information available rather than striking panic in the streets.
So, what’s the snippet? What’s the truth? Still confused? So are adults looking for answers to a less harmful alternative.
“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.”
I am a consumer, while I try to be a voice for consumers, I don’t speak for “all” consumers. I have a higher standard for medical and government officials. The Surgeon General of the United States (or any public official) should not rely on “googlesearches” (in a personal or public capacity) to fill a narrative.
In my assessment, Dr. Adams should post facts. Period.
The Surgeon General should resign or be fired. Immediately. That’s my narrative. That’s my snippet.
With that, no high ranking publicemployee official has no business writing, or tweeting, or sharing an opinion, or narrative, when data shall speak for itself.
I’ll stick to my guns, check on my wife, and keep my #SGWatch up to see when comprehensive information to adults has been displayed with half the attention the ‘epidemic’ has received.
I’ll readily and publicly admit I’m wrong, but until that happens, Dr. Adams has to answer these questions concerning the ‘epidemic’:
What users were of legal age?
What users didn’t use nicotine?
How many were smoking & switched?
Why is marijuana included with “any vaping“?
Why is “use” defined as in the past thirty days, not daily?
Until that happens, I’ll keep pointing out discrepancies in the narrative of an alleged epidemic, or one of you can convince me why I shouldn’t.
For balance, after the release of and tagging him in this blog: (Coincidence? Doesn’t matter. Snippets.)
Oh, that’s right, I’ve got that screenshot snippet from a Dr. Girgis… wait a second… it’s… Yes, legal and regulatory environments. That’s right. No guidelines. Except when.
Snippet alert: showing “restraint”.
I highly recommend what Clive Bates has to say on the alleged U.S. “epidemic“.
THIS one is an eye-openingmust-read for ANY aspect of public health. Your opinions aren’t about your needs. Stop being nannies.
“The average American is like my patient: resentful toward those who tell him or her how to live.”
Dr. Gottlieb of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) tweeted “e-cigs can help currently addicted adult smokers quit; and improve their health.” If you had internet connection issues yesterday, it may have been jolting shocks of horror from ‘experts’ seeing what he tweeted.
This isn’t the first reference to less harm, Dr. Gottlieb has passivelystated in the past: “If you could take every adult smoker and fully switch them to e-cigarettes, that would have a substantial public health impact”. He’s also stated:
“E-cigarettes may present an important opportunity for adult smokers to transition off combustible tobacco products and onto nicotine delivery products that may not have the same level of risks associated with them.” (Source)
That’s pretty big news no one is hearing over the incessant chanting from others. If a “substantial public health impact” is a goal, Dr. Gottlieb will have to speak up. (I can barely hear him.) How about, oh – I don’t know, maybe a press conference with a mandatory presence of the alleged “health leaders” for a start.
Dr. Gottlieb will have to speak up if a “substantial public health impact” is a goal:
In the four years (hard to believe, today) since the release of the results of my consumer survey, I have finally seen a credible and official statement saying “e-cigs can help currently addicted adult smokers quit; and improve their health.” from the Commissioner of the FDA.
This isn’t a secret. No one is listening. It’s something consumers have said all along.
Not only did he tweet those words, he also tweeted a follow-up about improved health.
I can’t be so arrogant to believe these tweets came from my urging, but I was shocked to read what Dr. Gottlieb said. Maybe he isn’t using his (this is funny) mute button! I’m skeptical, he’s at least tweeted it – with a comment about improving health. Twice. Vape shops are not permitted to say that. In my book, it’s better than a poke in the eye.
I can’t ask for… Wait, if the goal of reducing smoking is the goal, I’ll expect much more.
In my excitement, I mistakenly linked the Surgeon General from his personal account on a few nudges. However, I included him in other tweets in his “official” capacity. So far, no reference to this new study has been made from his personal or official account.
No “health group” has mentioned Alex Azar’s statement below. This information is NOT foreign to Dr. Adams or Dr. Gottlieb. They were present when U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Secretary Alex Azar spoke these words:
Those ‘experts‘ I referred to above? The horror must’ve made them leave early to grab their favorite flavored Starbucks coffee. With Gottlieb making a statement like he did, I was eager to see if the American Heart, Lung, Cancer, or even Tobacco-Free Kids may, might, or could have mentioned it.
In conducting a quick general twitter search for the article link and found –ZERO– mentions from those organizations front groups. So much for a public health impact.
If smoking is “the single largest preventable cause of death and illness in the world”… and all “health” organizations are about health, and improving health, then why does my pal DrMA below need to raise awareness of their omission a day after Gottlieb’s statement …
The headlines are wonderful, the truth is the average number of attempts for a smoker to stop is 30. The success rates of gums and patches are about 7%. The average success of e-cigarettes is 70% (low end), or more, and they know it, government funded research proves it. Downplaying it, giving it no attention isn’t informing the public. That doesn’t improve health.
Change The Conversation
It’s time for public health and politicians to make a decision:
They want less smoking, or they don’t.
They want less harm, or they don’t.”
CALL THEM OUT
If making public health a priority and “improving health” is their goal… With all we do know, EVERY single township, official, city, who have regulated, restricted or banned 18, 19, and 20-year-olds from less harm and choice should be questioned – having an opportunity to explain themselves.
EVERY news outlet should be screaming about improving health with e-cigarettes, and interviewing every single township, official, city, health group and expert in the area who restricted or banned those choices.
Consumers (like me) take it upon themselves to blog, tweet, write their representatives out of passion and conviction. If I’m doing it wrong, I’m willing to learn.
This just happened. At least that’s what I heard. This is 2019. (“Hi, Fig”!)
These are the types of thing you may not be aware you, as a business, giving smokers a healthier option, are up against:
Sometimes I pick my battles carefully.
It’s time for vape shops/industry to make a decision as well.
I know, love, and respect some business owners who are fighting by themselves for their customers, and future customers, either through a local or state industry organizations. If you’re not aware, you’re not doing yourselves any favors.
If you are in business giving smokers a healthier alternative to smoking and don’t change the conversation quickly with local, state and national lawmakers…… ahh, who am I to say what you should do. After all, it is your business.
I would read about this (here and here, or listen to this man and act accordingly with any representatives about youth, adult choices less harmful products, and more here:
Award-winning independent filmmaker Aaron Biebert is on the move again. He and his core team are ready to get to work on his new ground-breaking documentary, “You Don’t Know Nicotine”. In just four days, momentum is building quickly towards the first goal of funding this new film.
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Is there a controversy?
The subject matter of this film is intriguing to me. In March of 2017, and in collaboration with others, I conducted a “30-day NicotineChallenge (with criteria: still uncontested).
What I expect from Aaron Biebart and his seasoned team is thought-provoking truth. I am looking foward to their findings, good or bad.
Why has this not been explored before?
Like his last award-winning independent film, I’m fascinated to see this subject taken head-on. I expect the public health community to line up (in an orderly fashion) to take unprecedented opportunity to explain themselves intelligently and end the debate publicly.
I also expect some to ignore it.
We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. ~John F. Kennedy
Searching for answers
While getting to the bottom of this, I expect – and predict – this director will enlighten us in the process, bringing this subject front and center, telling the world what we don’t know about nicotine.
I fully support this project because I understand the freedom of expression without outside influence. I understand educating the public is much less about ego and much more about education.
Regardless of the outcome, I look forward to the opportunity of discomfort of thought.
I’ll leave you with what the Kickstarter page says:
“We will chase down as many experts (willing & unwilling) as our budget allows. It’s time to get answers from all sides of this debate.”
If you’re interested, you can pitch in as little as $5.00 or much more, with levels and rewards being different, such as your name in the credits, an early streaming link, honoring a loved one who died from a smoking-related or brain-related illness, a public screening license, and much more – up to and including the “Tater Tot” level.
Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, snus, heat not burn, e-cigarettes, exposing tobacco control, public health, government, regulations, policies and more worldwide.
“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”
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E-cigarette Usage Is Associated With Increased Past-12-Month Quit Attempts
How long have you heard e-cigarettes are a gateway to smoking? You’ll relapse? They don’t work….well…
“These trends are inconsistent with the hypothesis that e-cigarette use is delaying quit attempts and leading to decreased smoking cessation.”
On occasion, “professionals” take it upon themselves to have a chat on Twitter about different subjects. Not with consumers, mind you, with themselves. This week, I learned from Dr. Linda Girgis that “doctors in the US can’t follow UK guidelines.” I don’t even know what that means, but I’ll take a stab at it.
Evidently, science, data and research is “different” in the U.K….. It must be all those extra “u’s” used in words or something… or the dedication to junk science that opposes and contradicts colleagues across the pond.
Here’s a short list of other guidelines doctors in the US can’t follow… evidently.
Isn’t there enough ‘proof‘ for anyone to understand smokers who’ve switched to e-cigarettes are improving their health? Is it acceptable for professionals to withhold information about risks? Why are professionals unable to tell the truth?
I’m telling you e-cigarettes are a safer, healthier, smoke-free choice to combustible cigarettes. It is an alternative for smokers who want to quit. Nothing more, nothing less.
I’m saying smokers who have chosen e-cigarettes found their health situation(s) improvingdramatically.
Improvements In Health
Imagine noticing your chronic cough is gone. Imagine reducing or eliminating asthma, bronchitis and blood pressure medicines. Improving health conditions and benefits are nothing new. Isn’t it time for public health “experts” and government “officials” to use common sense? To listen? They certainly aren’t assessing their strategy properly. Imagine what the long-term benefits will be if they did.
When will the Food and Drug Administration stop using “children” and “flavors” as an excuse to restrict this product from smokers? When will we use the phrase “e-cigarettes are safer” without conjecture? They are not informing the public properly.
“If you could take every adult smoker and fully switch them to e-cigarettes, that would have a substantial public health impact.” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, FDA Commissioner
Despite heavy speculation in the media, unreliable “experts” in public health – and an all out “war” by the FDA to regulate, restrict, tax and ban a device that works, there are significant and life-changinghealth improvements in users.
In December of 2014, I asked questions – over 7,000 people from 72 countries explained their experience with e-cigarettes. 42% stopped smoking in one day. 75% stopped within a month. 83% of participants were smokersfor 20 or more years.
Below are just a few of those unedited statements. You can find everyanswer and comments left here or below.
• I was diagnosed with asthma after smoking for 30 years. I attempted yet again to stop smoking using all of the approved NRT methods and again failed miserably. 6 months after my last cigarette, my doctor confirmed that my asthma is gone. No more inhalers, and I can climb mountains again.
• Bronchitis symptoms disappeared within a week of transitioning. My allergies have been virtually nonexistent. And the nicotine helps prevent my migraines without prescription medication.
• I have started to notice playing with my children has become much easier because im not out of breath.
• Many tests confirm health improvement
• About 2 weeks after I started vaping and stopped smoking I felt much better, and I noticed it first in my lung capacity.
• No chest rattles Much better breathing Faster recovery from heavy exertion
• I chain smoked. Pack – 2 packs a day. Since quitting smoking and now vapor, my breathing is definitely great. No more wheeze, no more cough. Haven’t had bronchitis or cold in almost 3 years. More energy. Even my skin looks better. I now do treadmill 2-3 miles a day. 🙂 I don’t smell like stale smoke. My family will have me around for a long time.
• All around I FEEL 200% better than when I smoked cigarettes and my physical capabilities are like they were 10-15 years ago, rather than being limited like they were at the end of my smoking days.
• I play football (soccer) once a week and used to struggle with getting short of breath, I can noticeably go much longer periods in games without the need of a “breather”
• I can breathe! I started bike riding. I can walk, ride, climb a hill, and even hold a conversation while doing so! I feel so liberated!
• While I am enjoying feeling better, such as no smokers cough, returning flavor of foods etc, I worry if I didn’t wait too late to stop. • Improvements in my health across the board.
• Like I said I was in the middle of a lot of medical problems and the told me that smoking cigs slows down the healing process so I talked to my Dr. and he said vaping was much better than smoking.
• I felt as smoking no restrictions. But while jogging, I noticed that breathing was better.
• When my roommate quit smoking my asthma (which is exercise induced) was a controlled normal peak flow volume averaging 225 liters per hour at rest, because he was smoking over a pack a day in my presence. When he quit my peak flow volume average increased to 340 liters per hour at rest. When I started vaping my peak flow volume increased again to an average of 455 Liters per hour at rest. I still have asthma, but it’s not exacerbated by being around tobacco smoke every day. All measurements are using a portable peak flow meter, which I use to determine if I’m having an asthma attack and need to medicate. I have not had to use my rescue inhaler at any point since starting vaping other than when I was sick with an upper respiratory infection in which my lungs were infected.
• I had been sick with URIs at least 4 times a year in each of the previous 10 years living with smokers. This last year I’ve only had one cold and it was a sinus infection and not bronchitis as all the others had been. Much better breathing overall. As my asthma is exercise induced I still have asthma, but I can do more even while exercising, than I could when I lived with a smoker instead of a vaper, and when I wasn’t vaping myself.
• I had asthma and I smoked (stupid I know) after i quit about 3 months I can breath again I have not used my rescue inhaler for a while
Like a crime scene, “experts” are trying to cover up scientific evidence about e-cigarettes. Cleverly disguised with their self-important pseudo-opinions, they publish their assessment long before it has been properly reviewed.
Like seasoned criminals, experts are studious at covering up or altering these scientific studies and research to their benefit, not yours. There will be no evidence reviewed unless they say it’s “ok”.
They weren’t invited, in any shape or form, to the scientific portion of the study, most likely because they aren’t qualified to perform it.
That makes them feel inadequate and they must redeem themselves. They feel left out.
Poor things. Bless their hearts.
It’s quite like public health’s own scream test here, and here.
They also really do not like anecdotal evidence. They do not approve. I repeat: They do not approve.
Your anecdotal experience is NOT important to them.
They don’t believe in it, they dissociate themselves from it.
There are experts everywhere, just ask them. It’s popular to be one!
How WHO are you to decide for yourself that e-cigarettes are an alternative to smoking? What is WRONG with you? Are you thinking for yourself?
Well – you would think they were, but they aren’t either.
In their quest for knowledge, you would only believe they would consume themselves by looking without delay, at science and evidence.
You would only think with the best interest of the PUBLIC at hand, experts would consult (and collaborate) with these people as quickly as they could.
I’d almost say, without hesitation, experts would seek the advice of people before them, that they would heed the experience of Medical Professionals who had the same doubts and thoughts.
You’d also think they would LISTEN to US.
To have respect as a medical, health, or “tobacco control” professional, you should act like one.
You cannot deny the evidence. You cannot ignore the evidence. You cannot make it fit in YOUR box. You cannot pretend it doesn’t exist.
You must either accept it as it is, or as an EXPERT, show why it isn’t working – proof. I am waiting for the proverbial shoe to drop.
Most experts just want to stomp their feet like children, hoping they get their way, hoping every colleague will agree with their opinion. Get over yourselves.
You’re at the bottom of the list.
While I’m at it – here’s a novel thought:
MAKE IT BETTER! Quit bitching and making things up. Instead of antagonizing, FIX IT. What? You don’t want to?
Nope. That’s not what they do. They see a report. Study. Science.
They rub their grubby hands together, and cluck like chickens.
They drop their carcinogen laced coffee as fast as it hits the floor, fling off their lab coats, and prefer to cherry pick. Please, no wagering.
They have a hypothesis. Opinion. They find key points in one thing and write all about THAT. They then turn that into childish propaganda. They MUST tell the WORLD using any means necessary!
Obviously the goal of this is not to help the world, but to keep their self-serving importance up in their “field” – to boost their popularity -so they don’t become irrelevant ! All much more important than helping the public, or so it seems.
Maybe they are SO insecure, afraid of becoming irrelevant, they fling pooh, eat their bananas, and will do what they can to keep smoking around….. nahhh – can’t be.
Maybe they’re tired of seeing e-cig users doing their job?
That must be it.
They already ignore the science.
They are having a much harder time ignoring US.
One recent example of listening, changing his mind, and being responsible in this matter is explained very well here, from Jim McManus.
When WE as users of this product reduced our tobacco use, regardless of the reason why, and are doing it by the MILLIONS, we must be on to something. You would think, if they REALLY want people off tobacco, they’d listen to the experts. Us.
It’s not like we’re walking around – pretending. Struggling. If it didn’t work, you bet your ass we’d be saying that as well. It doesn’t work for some.
By default, and by design, I’d bet ecigs would be a SOLID 85%+ success rate if “experts” would either SHUT up or admit they work and help those struggling to that end. They don’t want that.
We’ve stopped smoking by choice.
Most will more than likely choose not to listen, I hope you will.
Here are examples of UNEDITED “anecdotal” evidence from the latest survey.
Question #26: Did you notice any POSITIVE health or side effects once you were off tobacco using an e-cigarette?
Major health improvements. Chest, breathing, snoring, illness, blood pressure EVERYTHING has improved.
Saturday, Aug 15th 7:13AM
I used to have to use two inhailors for environmental asthma…I’m off one completely and rarely have need of the quick response inhailor…Which I used twice a day while smoking, I may have used a half dozen times in the last 4 years…
Thursday, Aug 13th 10:45AM
My breathing is considerably improved. I no longer have any asthma. Fewer incidents of apnea while sleeping. Heartrate remains a lot more steady when doing physical activity.
Tuesday, Aug 11th 4:37PM
I don’t cough in the morning anymore. My lungs don’t hurt in the morning. I can breathe easier. Post nasal drip of 15 yrs is gone. I can exercise easier and longer. More energetic.
Friday, Aug 7th 11:29AM
I have not had 1 bout of bronchitis since I have quit cig and started Vaping. 2 1/2 years. All my Drs seem to think its ok. Pulmonologist, heart and primary.
Monday, Aug 3rd 6:28PM
It hasn’t been long for me yet but I noticed the difference right away. The biggest thing for me though was learning I had a “smoking problem” not a “high blood pressure problem” as that went right straight to normal right away!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM
Ankylosing spondylitis sufferer for 15+years. All pain has gone. I am back to gym and getting fitter by the day
Sunday, Aug 2nd 6:40PM
My chronic cough that I had for over 10 years went away and never came back within 3 days!!!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 10:08AM
Blood Pressure is back to normal, no coughing, better breathing, greater energy, I now run 2 miles a day.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM
Increased lung function. I have COPD and this is now stabilized with better blood oxygenation than when I still smoked. This improvement has been documented in clinical notes and
has been maintained for over 4 years.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM
I had chronic bronchitis for over 16 years and it is gone now. I was afraid to laugh as it would send me into fits of hacking coughing. I laugh a lot now. I run with my grandchildren instead of being afraid to play for the coughing.
Saturday, Aug 1st 5:59PM
was able to discontinue two prescription drugs, cholesterol levels dropped by 50 points, used to need antibiotics for respiratory/sinus infections at least 4 times a year, since vaping I’ve been sick once.
Saturday, Aug 1st 5:18PM
I couldn’t walk up the four flights of stairs at home without breaking a sweat before i quit cigarettes and after two months after changing to a vape-mod i ran up the stairs without breaking a sweat. Now after two years I just ran half a marathon in just over two hours!
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM
Breathing improved, high cholesterol went away, started exercising, lost over 70#, thirsty so I drink water constantly, lost weight lowered blood pressure, better performance sexually, enjoy healthy foods, use less salt, list is endless.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM
I thought the comment the director made in question in a 7-8 second glimpse was actually a part of the bigger picture, pointing out the irony of lies. (*Just what you said, Paul, context). I thought it was taken out of a larger scene… no more no less. I didn’t give it a second thought until…. then somewhere I tweeted them to put pooh smells in the theaters when they’re lying scenes – and roses when they’re not… just as a joke.
The 3+ minute glimpse into this film is absolutely astounding. I agree with Mark below, there WILL be resistance on this film. There will also be opportunity. Pointing out the statement was far from my mind until someone pointed it out. In my eyes, the very thought of ripping this film up for one statement?
Maybe I should have a “shirt burning” once it comes in to gain attention? I think NOT.
I hope it was politely asked if it can be fixed/edited – or did we all just start yelling? I’ll use the word of my U.K. twitter & facebook friends… utter bullocks. I continue to stand with this film and this team. I will wear my shirt with pride. I am also one of #ABillionLives.
This project as a whole is something to look very forward to. I appreciate someone having the balls to do this. It will open some eyes.
Shannon, you said it best. We owe them everything.
“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.
I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!
What do medical experts decide with their patients? How are e-cigarettes now being discussed along side their colleagues and organizations? How do professionals feel about them as a tool for tobacco harm reduction?
One response was
“Nothing is more detrimental to your health than inhaling burning tobacco”
The following answers are as they were, in full, to each question in this survey. It is all here for you as a professional to see what your colleagues have said.
The survey below was used as one of many references here:
As an individual, the information you see may help you decide an e-cigarette is right for you – based on these responses and other responsible science, research and other links on this blog. There was no editing of comments, including spelling.
I did remove 2 responses – one admitted they were not a health/medical professional, one only answered the 1st 2 questions. All else is intact.
This is what the medical community said.
55 decided to leave their names.
Question 2. Please give your professional opinion on e-cigarettes.
85% said they are safer than combustible cigarettes.
Nothing is more detrimental to your health than inhaling burning tobacco
Anybody who says anything to the contrary should not be working in healthcare.
I am not convinced they are aiding people to stop smoking I’ve seen patients using them as an alternative when in a no smoking area and it seems to be encouraging more smoking
No tobacco and nicotine is optional
But depends on it flavouring ingredient. Higher the nicotine, less safe it will be.
I have no doubt about this and I see them as a huge public health breakthrough
Are less harmful than cigarettes.
Question 3. Have you as a professional received any information from an association or any organization about e-cigarettes?
Canadian Medical Association, Vancouver Island Health Authority, BC Medical Health Officer, Heart & Stroke Association, the list is too long…
I switched to an ecig so that way I could lower my nicotine and take one puff instead of wasting a whole cigarette.
I use one myself and there are no carcinogens in my e-juice.
National Centre for Smoking Cessation & Training (NCSCT)
Public Health England
I have done my own research
Received both positive negative and forward-looking
Question 4. When Patients ask about e-cigarettes I:
77% will tell patients an e-cigarette is an option.
and encourage them to use it.
It’s called Champix in UK
Because the college of nurses of ontario has not made an official statement I can’t legally make vaping an alternative smoking cessation option. Side note – I vape doe….
I would advise my patients against them as not enough is known about their content and effect there are many alternatives that have proven effectiveness I feel are safer
I would tell them that in my opinion that it appears safer than combustible type. they should also try smoking cessation. Especially if there may be a health diagnosis that would be a contraindication to e cigarettes.
Being a cna I’m not in the position. To write a prescription but I talk to those that are interested.
All forms of smoking carry some risk whether it be cigarettes, hookah, e-cigarettes, etc. I don’t know of many people who have successfully quit smoking all together using e-cigarettes. I feel like people just trade one addiction for another. Which is worse I don’t know.
Closest to real smoking with hand to mouth action.
If they take more nicotine contain ingredient, they may addict to it. Less nicotine is much better.
It’s important on a lot of levels that stop smoking services talk about licensed meds, but many patients will have tried them before, unsuccessfully. Ecigs offer new hope
Inform them it’s likely the least healthy, but also by far the most effective.
I’ve never been asked that, but I would encourage quitting cold turkey. From what I’ve been told, that’s the best way to quit.
Question 5. Do you have or know of patients who smoke fewer cigarettes or who have stopped smoking using an e-cigarette?
I have worked with patients who have used ecigs in combination with traditional nrt to quit
My patients are typically marked as a smoker or nonsmoker… Anesthesia makes that determination and I’ve never asked if they would still be marked as a smoker with the e-cigarette.
I myself have been smoke free for 9.5 months with this cessation tool.
Our service has seen success on both levels ie complete cessation and cutting down, which MAY ultimately lead to cessation, just more slowly
There are dual users. Self-reporting amounts are not very accurate.
More people than not.
Question 6. If a patient says they stopped using tobacco with an e-cigarette I will
would like to have option c-cig user..
Depending on the nicotine use so that the patient may receive a nicotine patch while in our locked no smoking/vaping unit.
Will make a note in the chart about vaping and note nic strength and amount of use.
I’m not sure if swapping one habit for another is a positive step they would need to quit the e cigarettes first
One whole year.
National guidance from PHE has come out that if people are not smoking they are non-smokers! Not everyone has caught on however
I don’t understand. If they have stopped have they stopped using both e-cigarette and regular cigarettes?
document that the patient state they use e cigarettes
Comment that the pasient used to smoke cigarettes but have stopped and is now vaping. For medical staff.
Doesn’t apply to my field
I don’t know
See comment to question 5.
Question 7. Of patients who use electronic cigarettes have you
This is a very poorly worded question.
Noted reductions in COPD and GERD in different patients
In the nursing home a patient switched and when she goes outside to vape she no longer has a phlegmy cough and sleeps through the night better.
Only mental health is routinely monitored within my service. Service users successfully quitting or reducing smoking through ecigs appear to have improved self-esteem after stopping smoking.
Some astmathic pasients have decreased lung problems after they starter vaping and use inhalors less frequently.
Noticed exaserbated symtoms of conditions
N/A. I see my patients for one day typically, so I am unable to assess progress or trends of that nature.
I’m a Quitcard provider and have only recently had clients use e-cigarettes containing nicotine so haven’t noticed changes yet.
Question 8. When discussing electronic cigarettes with colleagues have you
We generally agree that ecigs are a safer alternative, so long as nicotine levels are being reduced below that of traditional cigarettes
The hospital I work for has a no smoking/vaping policy. I work on the mental health unit and I believe that this is unjust. Patients I care for are supposed to be therapeutically relaxed and taking away a self therapy such as smoking is more detrimental to our patients trying to adjust after being involuntarily committed.
E cigarettes banned however most staff believe they shouldn’t be
Most of my co-workers smoke. A few have quit smoking using personal Vaporizors (e-cig), so they have not only researched the topic, they have observed improved health in the people they care for, they have experienced first hand how helpful it is to use an e-cig as a method to help them quit and like the results and the process much better than when they took chantix.
Staff continue to be resistant to SUs vaping near them, due to false perceptions of harm to bystanders.
Organisation has prohibited the use of ecigs indoors & rejected my appeal to reverse this decision
Many have quit.
I often discuss this with colleagues from other areas, disciplines, who are initially sceptical but who become convinced of the positive effects, especially once they listen to vapers
Question 9. What changes do you note in patients who switch from smoking to vaping.
In general, not personally.
Far better mental health is very notable: being released from the grips of tobacco after decades is really life changing for people.
I see less ups and downs in behaviors in the ones who have quit smoking and now use a vaporizor (e-cig).
Activity tolerance is improved noticeably
I don’t have enough interaction with pts who are using e-cigarettes to answer.
Decreased use of antibiotics, inhalors and other drugs in several asthmatic pasients.
improved mental health following success in making positive changes
As above, clients of mine have only recently started using e-cigarettes so I haven’t noticed any changes yet.
Question 10. Please finish this sentence: Nicotine without delivery by combustible cigarettes is:
4% think nicotine is dangerous,
25% think nicotine is addictive.
A viable treatment option for smokers wanting to quit and should be encouraged to be used alongside behavioural support
It’s not addictive.
Nicotine is a stimulant with known brain receptors, however, so is caffeine. Research is ongoing but seems to be pointing towards a less addictive status of nicotine versus that of cigarettes.
Nicotine when isolated from the noxious fumes of combustion in tobacco is far less damaging than we are being led to believe.
I’d almost say it’s no cause for concern, but it is a mild stimulant and depressant, and no drug use is healthier than full abstinence (caffeine included)
It also causes an increase in blood pressure, vasoconstriction, and increases the risk for blood clots.
Like Caffeine. Nicotine is actually good for certain medical conditions as dementia, diabetes, depression, ADHD, and colitis.
Possibly the best way of preventing relapse to smoking, with huge public health benefits. Healthcare professionals and politicians should get over their horror of nicotine
Still not quitting. Which should be your goal!
Probably addictive but may not be via nicotine patches and low dose gum, lozenges and e-cigarettes
An addictive stimulant
Question 11. As a medical professional I
63% would definitely recommend e-cigarettes
17% are cautious
6% would never recommend e-cigarettes.
however I still recommend vaping due to other testemonies I’ve heard from other users and professionals..
Would recommend quitting smoking all together.
Question 12. Thank you for taking this survey. Please feel free to leave any comments.
I’m an e-cig user and would recommend it to all smokers to try them without the pg in it first before they try it with pg. As a lot of people are allergic to the propylene glycol
Gen. 1 e-cigs were not effective for me personally, the gen 2 was, and helped me quit smoking after a pack and half a day 40+ year habit. I have been tobacco free for a year 7/26/15, and nicotine free since Christmas 2014.
I vape myself. Cannot recommend it highly enough.
The Tobacco Products Directive will be a public health disaster, and will crush an industry which has given more hope to people than any in the 21st century (okay except maybe electric cars, robots)
A significant number of service users were utilising ecigs in the service & had quit or reduced cigarettes. Following prohibition of their use indoors, some service users have resumed smoking as they did before.
I am an ecig user & activist myself
I myself have been smoke free for 9.5 months with the use of e-cig. I feel so much better now. And so does my pocket book.
The improvement is depend on user itself. Ingredient of flavour is the main component to give attention.
I hope you get lots of people completing the survey, well done
To be sure the record is clear, I specifically targeted some of the renowned tobacco control “experts” and organizations around the world repeatedly to take this survey for complete balance within the answers. To my knowledge they did not.
For all the effort these worldwide organizations and individuals do to claim e-cigarettes are bad, I wanted to be very public about allowing the opportunity for them to speak their minds as well.
Just a few examples:
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This survey was put out before Public Health England released their evidence to the world.
I have been asking Medical Professionals some questions about e-cigarettes. It’s that important.
I’ll let you skim down them and get on your way, but will blog them when the survey is over in detail.
Here’s what they’ve said to me so far.
85% say they are safer than combustible cigarettes.
Have you as a professional, received any information from an association or any organization about e-cigarettes?
Well some have!
74% TELL their patients that e-cigarettes are an option.
66% say their patient has
with an e-cigarette.
54% list their patients as NON-Smokers, non – tobacco users.
74% have noticed changes in health of patients directly related with their e-cigarette use.
Please! Talk amongst yourselves!
Don’t let me interrupt!
POSITVE respiratory, cardiovascular and increased activity tolerance are DULY noted in patients.
So far, about +/- 1% say they see anything negative with e-cigarette use in their patients.
89% say nicotine is like caffeine, or a stimulant.
22% say it’s addictive.
3% say it is dangerous.
64% would definitely
15% are cautious, but would recommend them as well.
7% would never recommend them.
I have tweeted this to some of the biggest names in “Tobacco Control”, including the Centers for Disease Controls top Doctor, Dr. Frieden. Stanton Glantz. Simon Chapman. Many others. They all still have a chance to speak their mind.
Evidently, it’s not that important for them to do so.
Any Medical Professional worldwide is encouraged to take this survey about E-cigarettes. I want the truth from you.