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Vaping In The News – June 17th, 2017

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Vaping In The News June 11th – 17th, 2017

Tobacco will grow ~ E-Cigarettes Less Addictive Than Cigarettes, PATH Study Shows~ Rodent ~ 3D Printing Proves Scientists Really Have No Clue ~ Pariahs, predators or players? ~ Smoking Fireman ~ Dick Puddlecoat ~ Youth Smoking (A Threefer) ~ Heat Not Burn ~ Global Forum On Nicotine

 


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Tobacco Will Grow

Festive moods as planting season is well under way for tobacco. Don’t let anyone in “control” fool you.

It isn’t going anywhere.

Tobacco planting season goes well: DeGroote


E-Cigarettes Less Addictive Than Cigarettes, PATH Study Shows

They’re tossing around the addictive word a bit too much for my taste, but… I do enjoy the show.

 

E-Cigarettes Less Addictive Than Cigarettes, PATH Study Shows


Phil made me laugh

I love a funny rodent!


3D Printing Proves Scientists Really Have No Clue

I admire Paul MUCH more than I let on. No, I love Paul.

3D Printing Proves Scientists Really Have No Clue


This will be the part of my blog where I’ll just leave this here. By itself. Take your time. Figure it out. I believe in you. 🙂

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Pariahs, predators or players?

Clive Bates is an astonishing source. Playing on his vast knowledge of the past and future, this is an invigorating read.

“…the conversation with and within public health on these issues is mostly infantile, and that needs to change.”

If you don’t follow him, I highly reccomend you do.

Pariahs, predators or players? The tobacco industry and the end of smoking


A Fireman Smoking.

So,  a tragic fire in London inspires of all things –  a photo of a fireman smoking a cigarette and a bit of hate…

Maybe it’s just me, but I ask the stupidest questions… is he in the smoking section and you’re pissed?

Leave the man alone.

The tweet itself was deleted. However… Shannon taught me about screenshots. 

https://twitter.com/MartynWilson8/status/874910712312803329

 

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Dateline, Dick Puddlecoat:

On Wednesday, 13 June 2012, I was still a smoker. I was almost two years away from stumbling my way accidentally to e-cigarettes. I’d never read this until this week, and it is stunning how Mr. Puddlecoat could see and predict the future from the past in his 2012 blog.

I don’t think he’s human.

E-Cigs: The New Bad Boy In Town


I don’t trust anyone in public health other than a select few worldwide who are brave enough to speak OUT, and I don’t trust ANYONE in “tobacco control“.

 



Are you familiar with INNCO?

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Youth Smoking (3 for one special!)

  1. Tobacco control freak, Matt Myers wants to take all the credit in the RECORD lows  -and had to boast…


Well- I do love a good truth from Michael Siegel :

2. New CDC Data Should Put to Rest the Contention that E-Cigarettes are a Gateway to Youth Smoking

And this was mine – showing how children will keep smoking:

3. Smoking Rates Among Youth Now At “Unimaginable” Levels


Do you know about NNA?

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Heat Not Burn

Konstantinos E Farsalinos, MD

Nicotine delivery to the aerosol of a heat-not-burn tobacco product: comparison with a tobacco cigarette and e-cigarettes.


Global Forum On Nicotine

The Global Forum On Nicotine Program Outline is here.

 


Bonus” link:

Why Don’t More Smokers Switch to Using E-Cigarettes: The Views of Confirmed Smokers


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Vaping In The News–June 3rd, 2017

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Vaping In The News – May 28th – June 3rd, 2017

A Vaper’s View ~ California  ~ Cotton Candy  ~ Heat Not Burn ~ Smokers ~ Australia ~ AVA ~ Bill Godshall ~ ECVA ~ Vape Advocacy ~ Insurance ~ Batteries


A Vaper’s View

Jerry Iozzo, who I affectionately call the Marathon Man, and Jen Hoban have written this piece found in the Duluth News Tribune:

A Vaper’s View: Raising ‘smoking age’ won’t curb tobacco use


California

“the only places you’ll legally be allowed to vape in Laguna Beach will be inside homes and cars.”

California gets even crazier despite mounting evidence against gateway theory


The very reason for “control” is what?


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Cotton Candy Is NOT Marketing To Kids

Another whom I adore, Skip has something to say.

Cotton Candy is NOT Marketing To Kids

I’ve featured her before here.


Heat Not Burn

A serious & in-depth look at these products from The Fergus Mason.

Heat Not Burn


Smokers

“and if you ever make an “unhealthy” decision, then you are simply wrong and need to be controlled by your owner the government.”

It’s time to stand up for smokers’ rights


Isn’t it your job to know more?

The woman misinforming folks below is “President-Elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics”.

Chris Baxter explains what she obviously doesn’t “know”.


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Australia

They LIKE cigarettes. Those aren’t going anywhere.

Gone in 60 seconds: Govt backs vaping law then announces inquiry one minute later

Inquiry into the Use and Marketing of Electronic Cigarettes and Personal Vaporisers in Australia


 AVA

The AVA supports this bill.

AVA Submits Letter in Support of H.R. 2194 to Rep. Duncan Hunter


Bill Godshall

From the Hartland hearings.

 


EVCA

VILLAGE OF HARTLAND, WISCONSIN HEARINGS


Vape Advocacy

Jim McDonald asks “Who do you trust?”

Vape advocacy: what is worth supporting?


Insurance.

The regulation of NICOTINE as tobacco has much farther reaching issues.

This on the surface, seems “better”.

E-Cigarettes and Life Insurance


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Batteries

If you’re a vendor, you need to take note. Vendors, battery safety is paramount. Include a pamphlet – talk to your customers  – OFFER battery cases!!!!!

Stay away from ambulance chasers.

I HATE linking this, so it is here using a “do not link” code.

The Dangers of Vaping: A Primer on Litigating Exploding E-Cig Cases

Vapers! THINK. Battery safety links here and here.


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Vaping In The News 3-11-17

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Vaping In The News – March 5th – 11th, 2017

Cole-Bishop ~ Blog Fog ~ Dr Farsalinos ~ The Impact Of A Federal Cigarette Minimum Pack Price Policy ~ Simple Simon ~ Second Hand ~ Prohibition or Harm Reduction ~ HR1136 ~ Tobacco Associates hold 70th annual meeting in Wilson ~ Youth ~ Gary Wood ~ Tweet Of The Week ~ Vapers Tongue


Government, health organizations and special interest groups are counting on you to not pay attention. That’s the plan.

Don’t forget to set your clocks forward tomorrow. We get an hour less this week to fight the bastards.


Today the vapor industry joined together in support of Cole-Bishop.

  • Tony Abboud, Executive Director, Vapor Technology Association
  • Pamela Gorman, Executive Director, Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association
  • Alex Clark, Executive Director, Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association
  • Gregory Conley, President, American Vaping Association

Read our letter to Congress



The Blog Fog Has Lifted

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In what may be the longest “rapid response” ever, there are now responses:

Other responses

All were insightful, this one caught my eye from Clive Bates.

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TWO from Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos:

First:

Prevalence and correlates of current daily use of electronic cigarettes in the European Union: analysis of the 2014 Eurobarometer survey

Second:

Irresponsible marketing by parts of the e-cigarette industry requires immediate measures


Because Price-Reducing Strategies Are There:

I love the “conclusion”. They don’t like alternatives. They don’t like Snus. They don’t like e-cigarettes. They don’t like roll-your-own…..but they certainly like a “Federal Minimum Pack Price “idea”… we need a pay raise.

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“Conclusion: A federal minimum price policy has the potential to greatly benefit tobacco control and public health by uniformly increasing the price of cigarettes and by eliminating many price-reducing strategies currently available to both sellers and consumers.”

Remember, e-cigarettes are now “deemed” tobacco in the United States:

Simple Simon

I absolutely love Dick Puddlecoat. You should as well. Simon, not so much. If he’d only use the mass between his ears…

The ‘Rigour’ Of Simple Simon


 2nd hand

Because who doesn’t like the idea of anything second-hand?

“EC use releases negligible levels of nicotine into ambient air with no identified health risks to bystanders”

What does e-cigarette vapor contain? Is it harmless to bystanders?



A Survey (on Twitter) for my friends in Australia:


Cole-Bishop: #HR1136

Cole-Bishop, one of the more important things in the industry.

“The e-cigarette industry is on the edge of a cliff, with Food and Drug Administration rules threatening to wipe out 10,000 small businesses and remove 99 percent of vapor products from the market in just 18 months’ time.”

A modest reform could mean life or death for the vaping industry


Robert Innes.

I adore Mr. Innes:

A very high percentage of the population kept on smoking which concerned the ones who wanted them to stop, so the ones who wanted smokers to stop invented Nicotine Replacement Therapies (NRT) which gave the smokers nicotine which was not addictive, and did not provide any fun – that was good.

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I almost couldn’t believe my eyes…

Not often do I do a double-take, but this one was refreshing to see.

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“we believe that patients have the right to practical, empirical, and accessible information and facts. We are hoping that e-cigarettes will be treated by the New York DOH with the same amount of empirical scrutiny and moral impartiality as these other means of harm reduction.”

Concerned healthcare providers respond to New York Department of Health Commissioner’s remarks on e-cigarettes


Tobacco Associates hold 70th annual meeting in Wilson

Here’s an interesting insight to the tobacco market and its own view on the upcoming years, and they don’t seem too concerned.

“Brown said the jury is still out on the e-cigarette industry’s impact on the U.S. combustibles market”

Strong profits predicted for tobacco growers


Youth:

I’ve often thought we should just ban children. Ankle-biting rugrats seem to have made some sense in this!

Avoiding or reducing the harm of tobacco cigarettes is the top reason youth vape, according to data from a survey by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and analyzed by PinneyAssociates.

Youth Vape to Reduce Harm From Tobacco Cigarettes Over Availability of Flavors


 Tweet Of The Week (TOTW)

(Not me, Eciggity!)


Suicide or Vaping? – You Decide

Now I know drug companies have to list ‘possible’ side effects, however, when you see just what these so called ‘safe’ stop smoking drugs are capable of doing to the user – you’ll ask yourself just why they’re ‘approved’ and vaping is not.

Suicide Or Vaping? – You Decide


Gary Wood:



The Tobacco Control Prayer

Big Vaping headquarters just unearthed the Tobacco Control Prayer!


In Other News

You can imagine my surprise when CDCTobaccoFree “liked” one of my tweets in response to using my survey to SmokeFreeUS@NCI

This one’s going on my “I love me” wall!

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Stranger things have happened:

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Vapers Tongue

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Ideas and inspiration comes in many forms for me many times from you.

There still, to my knowledge, is no “right” way to “fight” or advocate.  If you’re worn down, read This, via Chris Price:

The Vaping Advocate’s Rules For Campaigning

or this, via Clive Bates:

Memo to public health grandees: vaping, vapers and you

I know two things. I will not stop. I will not give up.

We, and millions like us who don’t know better, are too important.


The latest from me:

Professionals Just “Don’t Know Enough” About E-cigarettes


 

NEWS from my friends across the pond: Vapers.org.uk.

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Toxic Media. E-Cigarettes And Journalism.

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Journalists. They spit out low quality fairy tales as fast as an e-cigarette study hits their untrained eye. Such articles give one an eye-opening glimpse into the many “amateur hour” hacks pretending to be “writers” there really are.

What a BUNCH of kumquats. I would be embarrassed to attach my name on  such a lack of “efforts” in “journalism” I’ve seen. I can only refer to the skill in which these articles were written as piss-poor. Most of these reek of the kind of stench you find in a port-a-john in a late summer fair full of experts.

With all the articles I see on e-cigarettes in a given week from the “press” and “reliable sources”, MOST are written as if they were made up by the half-assed skill of an 11 year old child. Still, after all this time e-cigarettes have been on the market, most journalists show very little fact checking skills and write about them with little to no knowledge of e-cigarettes.

The problem is, those who don’t know better…

may believe them.

These are irresponsible and unacceptable misinformation machines.

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Media today can barely put a comprehensive report out on e-cigarettes without sensationalism. They boldly publish and promote false statements and outright lies without apologies, without evidence, without integrity. There is evidently no pride lost in slinging their feces…

They squealed about “formaldehyde”, which was false, but very few put forth any effort to type about Public Health England?

 


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I am an amateur blogger. I’m not a professional writer, yet I put most of you to shame (both sides of this blog and previous posts for PLENTY of content) with proper information for a smoker contemplating e-cigarettes and what they need to know.

Sadly, I write better than most of you, and I’m not a writer by profession. Most of you proudly show lack of intelligence with each new “story”. See – that’s the thing, most of you are just telling stories. You’re specializing in e-cigarettes. E-cigarette fiction writers. Almost ass-hat like.

Am I being condescending? Yes, yes I am. Patronizing? Fine, if that’s how you feel. Some of you refer to e-cigarettes as smoking, so….we’re not on the same page. Work on that.


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Some reporters are obviously too stupid or unable to put two sentences together coherently, they string a reader along by almost always starting off by describing an e-cigarette. Most of it is “expert copy & paste skills” from what I see. Regurgitating the same thing over and over and over again…. each article seems to have a theme.


 

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Requirements, evidently, for being a piss-poor journalist:

Mention gateways and children, but rarely mention “the children“.

Mention flavors, but rarely mention that “adults like flavors”.

Mention nicotine is addictive but never mention “nicotine“.

Mention approved methods, but don’t show “those methods aren’t as successful“.

Mention chemicals, but rarely mention “Chemicals“.

Mention health benefits, but never mention “health benefits

Mention we don’t know enough, but never mention that “Research is available here and here.”.

Mention laws, taxes & bans using the above descriptions but NEVER mention the truth on “Regulations, Restrictions, Taxes, Bans“.

Mention experts are on the fence about e-cigarettes, but have never talked to people on or  along “experts on this side of that fence“.

They almost NEVER mention reaching out to talk to ANY organization.


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Research, in journalism  – or at least this type of journalism isn’t acceptable to the public.

They rarely retract a story, when they do it’s barely mentioned in unrelated news or withOUT fanfare like the original story was bled to death.

Almost incessantly they will either allow comments until they don’t like them, will not allow certain comments, will delete them all or not allow them to begin with.


 

They LOVE exploding batteries. Here’s Christopher Russell on that:

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Update on a 2nd one from Christoper Russell:

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These wannabe’s take objectivity out, add in a five-gallon bucket of drivel, DON’T check facts, add in their own stupidity and use scary words like toxins – and makes a half-assed story go full ass.


 

One of the consequences of *#DailyPropaganda:

(*Thank you, Alan)

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According to Wikipedia-(a source evidently not concerned with standards in facts):

Journalism has developed a variety of ethics and standards. While objectivity and a lack of bias are of primary concern and importance, more liberal types of journalism, such as advocacy journalism and activism, intentionally adopt a non-objective viewpoint. This has become more prevalent with the advent of social media and blogs, as well as other platforms that are used to manipulate or sway social and political opinions and policies. These platforms often project extreme bias, as “sources” are not always held accountable or considered necessary in order to produce a written, televised or otherwise “published” end product.

 

Fergus Mason has his view of

Wikipedia, and why it matters.

 


 

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Please, keep in mind  -whether you are the largest major news corporation, or the smallest, I AM talking to YOU.

Do as you wish, “journalists”. Follow the pack, parasites. Keep going with  your “hard-hitting” fluff that your friends admire. You must be proud of that degree in typing.


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

~Joseph Goebbels

There’s something controversial coming soon. It’s going to sting. This information you’re going to see in this trailer isn’t a secret. It may show that you are truly inept at research, that you are unwilling or unable to use your alleged education in journalism, or you’re just plain stupid. This could have been your story.

You, and all who have “Plausible Deniability” or who are “experts in tobacco control” might want to be attentive to this video from A Billion Lives.

It is a documentary about lies. Media, Government, Pharmaceuticals, Health and more. You know… all of you who should be paying attention instead of lying your full asses off…. or you may get dishonorable mention in this.

 


 

Here are just some of the unedited comments  “Real People ~ Real Answers” from the latest survey, unedited on question #34:

What is your opinion on reports you’ve seen in the media ?


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Tired of seeing ‘know nothing asshats’ pretending to be experts on vaping.
Tuesday, Oct 6th 5:24AM


 

A lot of media coverage on this is made by people who have not done their research.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM


 

It’s a mix in the UK these days
Wednesday, Sep 9th 12:29AM


 

Media used to relay the facts, today they only care about what sells. They have clearly taken a side before any interviews have started, some have affiliations with other companies or political views and stick to that no matter what truth is presented to them.

The honest truth should be shown on ALL media outlets, they should not be allowed to have a bias in any direction, the facts are what are important.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM


 

I tend to look for articles on ecigs and see many that talk about benefits and share them with others, but my sources are usually ecig positive, and I ignore the negative media reports from outside my sphere.
Saturday, Aug 8th 3:07PM


 

It seems hard to find legit studies and information that prove or disprove anything. More independent studies from sources that are not affiliated with smoking or vaping would be nice to see.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM


 

The reports filled with blatant lies against vapor products were making me angry, so I stopped reading/watching them.
Those that are lying should be held responsible.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM


 

i find the media headlines negative aspects of vaping and e cigarettes way over the top. E cigarette and battery fires, exploding batteries etc are usually due to lack of knowledge and misuse.  Any battery powered device can a do explode, set on fire etc, but the media don’t report these instances the same way they do with e cigarettes.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM


 

The amount of biased/ill informed propaganda circulating both in media and on social network is, in my opinion, disgraceful!
Thursday, Jul 30th 2:03PM


 

To the last point “I’ve seen more experts than can possibly exist” it’s more like “experts”. People who let others think they know what they are talking about
Wednesday, Jul 29th 9:50AM


 

I have seen news which are made up to make e cig sounds bad, but truly it has nothing to do with e cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM


 

The media know fuck all and need to a few lessons in vaping!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM


 

i have seen and heard way too many lies by people who are “experts” saying that its bad and targeting kids. i want them to support vaping rather than trying to get rid of the only actual effective way to quit smoking
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM


 

most of the reports are outrageous and test the vaping device at levels that no person would actually use it at, because at those levels you no longer have the actual taste of the e liquid you have nothing but a burnt taste
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM


 The never ending saga of a biased media and their sheeple.
Saturday, Jul 25th 11:55AM


 

its unballanced and there is too much scaremungering going on from very ignorant people
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM


 

Big tobacco money talks
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM


 

It is very confusing trying to figure out what is information from real studies or reliable sources as opposed to what is made up on a non fact based opinion. That goes for both positive and negative information. I have stopped reading anything because I don’t know what to trust is from an accurate source
Sunday, Jul 19th 10:45AM


 

It seems only the sensationalist, biased reports get the big headlines!
Sunday, Jul 19th 11:12AM


 

The media is attracted to negative stories.

From memory, there are 10 million smokers in the UK and 2.6M vapers. Of the vapers about 1M don’t dual use. I’m sure there’s plenty that don’t do either now. There needs to be a Panorama-type program to tell the good news truth about vaping and the money and power behind FDA and EU bans.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM


The propaganda is profoundly intellectually dishonest & scientifically incorrect.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 9:37AM


 

Most of what is out there is propoganda and when there is the side of vaping shown (pro vaping) it is far too often denounced. There are reports that show vaping honesty but they are few and far between because the govt does not want vaping to be seen as a good thing
Monday, Jul 13th 4:45PM


 

Junk science that is published them later pulled is stupid and irresponsable once it’s out there people believe it’s gotta be true when it isn’t
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM


 

There a a few unbiased reports out there, but most are fear-mongering.
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM


 

In the UK, I’ve seen both positive and negative coverage. But in the US it’s much worse, probably because of those vested interests. I do object to pharma companies putting signs in GPs offices saying ‘Don’t vape, stop smoking for good’ as it’s likely to put people off vaping. Vaping can save lives so why tell people not to do it? Insane.
Monday, Jul 13th 11:54AM


 

Heard some ridiculous stories. Battery safety is down to users, same as of you use a mobile phone, I have yet to meet anyone who has had anything more than a slight reaction to the pg. They simply used a Lewis worth more vg.

Monday, Jul 13th 3:30AM


 

Much of the media coverage (print and broadcast) reminds me of reports from the 80s and 90s suggesting that violent video games, television and rock music were responsible for teenagers committing serious crimes. Responsibility is being thrust on industry, rather than on parents, which is borderline atrocious

Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM


 

Very seldom do I see fair balanced reporting on the subject and when I see articles they are usually biased and slanted against Vaping and are chock full of misinformation and propaganda. The only fair and balanced information I have seen have been from the vaping industry itself.

Sunday, Jul 12th 2:33PM


 

This is true of a lot of the reports on the news, but I have seen lots of good studies done by professionals based on REAL SCIENCE and accurate reporting standards. I would never say vaping is 100% safe, but some of the reports on the news are just irresponsible and dissuade people from switching from stinkies, when they aren’t even true.

Sunday, Jul 12th 2:15PM


 

The real issue is the indoctrination the media has both received and repeated for the last 50 years from anti-smoking lobbies. It is because of this that all consumer nicotine products are demonized, regardless of potential benefit.

Saturday, Jul 11th 6:43PM


 

There have been both sides of reports on vaping, depends on who is making the statement in the perticular article, I’m sure there will be debates for quite some time, I could care less, I smoked about 40 years , now I vape, I think it was a smart choice for me, I’m not concerned about health issues cause it can’t be worse than smoking, either way I’m apparently not going to live for ever , I’m pretty smart, smart enough to try vaping and get off cigarettes.

Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM


 

The impact of what is reported is much more detrimental to those who don’t know any better or TRUST the media.

 

That’s why I’m here.

If I had relied on media reports for information I would have been too concerned with the long term safety of e-cigarette use to try them and I would still be smoking today.

From New York, this individual’s complete response to this survey is here.



“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.



The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.

Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.



E-cigarette Research is HERE.

MORE e-cigarette research is also HERE.


 Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


Always a work in progress-

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More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin.


Regulate. Restrict. Tax. Ban. Taxing E-Cigarettes Like Tobacco.


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The all powerful, all knowing Offices of Management And Budget have the distinct decision of deeming regulations over e-cigarettes.

“Budget”.  Well. What does THAT have to do with e-cigarettes and the country? What does that have to do with the FDA (I thought they were the “authority”) and deeming regulations?

It’s about health, right? It’s about children, right?


If you DON’T know what I’m babbling about, you need to brush up on your information overload by going HERE to CASAA, and HERE immediately afterwards. You don’t even have to read this blog.


Regulate:

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1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc

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Restrict:

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1. to confine or keep within limits, as of space, action, choice, intensity, or quantity.

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Tax:

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1. a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.
2. a burdensome charge, obligation, duty, or demand.

verb (used with object)

3. to demand a tax from (a person, business, etc.).

  1. to demand a tax in consideration of the possession or occurrence of (income, goods, sales, etc.), usually in proportion to the value of money involved.

4. to lay a burden on; make serious demands on: to tax one’s resources.

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UntitledWAIT!  NEVER MIND! We disassociated ourselves from that bill!

TAXES were taken out of it!

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Now it does no good?

I thought it was about YOUTH!

Public HEALTH!

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Guess NOT!

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Ban:

ban

1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict:

2. the act of prohibiting by law; interdiction.


They can’t BAN them. Well…. lean closer to your screen. Countries already have.

Regulations, restrictions, taxes & bans are world WIDE. Here, and HERE.


According to the World Health Associations Margaret Chan, at W.H.O. – this organization does NOT like ecigs, but likes regulations of them ….

W.H.O., HOWEVER DOES like money. It’s a win-win solution!

WHOTAX


 

This, was added 12/12/15 by me from the much admired Brainy Furball.
This isn’t just the United States. This is worldwide.
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Speaking of MARGARET Chan

More from Robert Innes:

When Collusion Is Profitable For Parties – All Six of Them!


I certainly do not believe they will “ban” them in the United States. They have had since 2009 to stew on this. They’ve had PLENTY of time to “deem” them tobacco.

THEN, they have the wording so they can TAX them like tobacco. I’ll get back to that in a minute.

See Steve and his timeline of e-cigarettes in the United States


See, at first, they were probably thought of as a novel idea. E-cigarettes weren’t a threat.

As they evolved into 2nd & 3rd generation styles, they were making a huge dent in cash flow.

Disrupting many aspects of cash flow.


Noticeable in 2000, Pharmaceutical companies feel it –  see smoking cessation aids sales drop.

Pharmaceutical Companies are really feeling it in 2014 in this article:

Nicotine patch, gum sales drop with rise of electronic cigarettes

As E-cigarette sales rose E-cigarette Sales Rising 


Tobacco Companies were going down in 2011… and still are as of September of last year, according to Business Insider:

Watch The US Slowly But Surely Become A Nation Of Nonsmokers


Well.

This is exciting, Kevin. There must be more! IS there more?

I’m glad you asked that !

I’m not sure who said “e-cigs are disruptive”, but – here, take a break – read Chris Price’s view on e-cigarettes as a disruptive technology.


11/18 update:

Stanton Glantz… and his submission to the world of the FDA is here.


 

Guess who else is pissed about disrupting their cash flow?

Organizations. Lots of them. They depend on lots and lots of funding to sustain themselves. Grants. Automatic payments. Money.

E-cigarettes are taking that away. They don’t like that.

How convenient.


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Finally, the United States Government – and other tax collecting entities. Ever notice when you bought a pack of smokes how the sign may say “cigarettes sold at state minimum”?  No? Me either.



This does not help the Government – to lose all this money. Pharmaceutical companies are calling their “friendly” senators.

frankpallone

leno


Evidently, the group ASCAN

American Cancer Society Action Network –

already knows Congress actually works for them – not “the people”.

ugh



Upstanding *cough, cough*  “Tobacco Control” *cough –  experts are also involved.

They want what’s best for us.

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And the Government, all by itself, is caving in.

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The Government is missing their money.

They want it taxed like tobacco.

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They NEED e-cigarettes regulated

as TOBACCO. So they can TAX it.

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It is NOT tobacco.


But that is what they want it to be.

It won’t include their FRIENDS

“APPROVED” nicotine products that we’ve tried

and for the most part, DON’T WORK.


Those products are derived from magical unicorn farts, not tobacco.

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If you’ve read this far – remember

The FDA has deeming regulations in progress at the moment.


I need you to be ANGRY.


Support the organizations on this blog. Talk to people. CALL your congress/senators.

Write, email. hold up signs.

Call your media friends if you have any. Get the support of your doctors, schools, YELL.

Educate anyone you CAN.

TELL them this is about children having family members NO LONGER using tobacco.


TELL THEM this IS about HEALTH.


TELL them e-cigarettes take us AWAY from smoking.


TELL THEM it is NOT about NICOTINE.


We need a SWIFT and abrupt UPROAR worldwide.



Get mad. They’re taxing you because they miss their money.

It’s not even DEEMED tobacco, and it’s already happening in the United States.


You need to be ANGRY.


Go here and do something about that.

Then go here as well.


Stop ACCEPTING what is not true or real.

Nicotine is NOT TOBACCO. They want it deemed tobacco

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for loss of revenue they thought would LAST FOREVER. 

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E-Cigarettes are NOT acceptable to be part of their PONZI SCHEME.

WE stopped smoking. They WANT us to stop smoking. Now they don’t like that.

Less smoking, less revenue. It’s a PONZI scheme.


A documentary is coming, and not soon enough – (no rush, guys & gals) 🙂

about all of this:

A Billion Lives


Recommended reading:

How Wall Street Tobacco Deals Left States With Billions in Toxic Debt

Vaping Claimed First Victim One Year Ago

Tax Hikers Focused On 2016 Election

New CDC Data – More than 9 MILLION Adults Vape Regularly In The United States

Vaping For Tax Freedom

Burdensome vaping regulation about revenue, not health

DC budget would extend 70 percent tobacco tax to vapor products, e-cigarettes

Increased Tobacco Taxes Are Not the Answer

Mine:

Taxing Thoughts, A Ponzi Scheme.

Please Keep Smoking! Plausible Deniability, An Incestuous Relationship.

Without Integrity: Tobacco Harm Reduction In The U.S.A.

Lying Bastards


Some on the survey mentioned black market. Some proclaimed they’d do it themselves.
The only concern I’d have with that is – what about the current smokers who don’t know how or are afraid?
What will they do if e-cigarettes as we know them today with all generations – are considered illegal?
What about THIS lady?

Here are comments

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”

from the latest survey, unedited on question #41:

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco I believe:

 “Real People ~ Real Answers”


I make my own juice and would continue. I have a 20 year supply of nicotine in my freezer.
Friday, Oct 9th 10:52AM

One point, there would be less motivation, not no motivation. Because e-cigs have more to offer.
Thursday, Oct 8th 5:13PM

With no incentive to switch over why would they?
Thursday, Oct 8th 11:23AM

it would be a heinous grievance against an entire community to make this change at this point in the game
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 2:03PM

That would be the worst thing you could do; limit the availability by keeping it out of a person’s financial reach.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 1:23PM

There would be a huge black market. I do not foresee myself paying taxes on my ejuice. lol.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM

Other quit smoking products are not taxed, at least not in Sweden or Estonia, to tax e-cigarette liquids would be insane.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 8:18AM

If they ban or regulate them to be as expencive as gums and pathes, the are making a huge mistake, a crime to public health.
Monday, Sep 14th 2:54AM

The cost savings was the biggest stimulation to try e-cigs.
Wednesday, Aug 19th 12:51AM

Apart from the obvious fact there is no legal reason to tax as tobacco, it would reduce the likely hood of some people trying them. As prices would be ridiculous it would also kill most of the industry that is already in place.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM

Ecigs will just become less appealing to new users, people established will find a way around anything, there will be a new black market to exploit.
Saturday, Aug 8th 7:53AM

Understand the patches, gum and inhalers are over the counter now and greatly reduced in price. The FDA a few yrs ago announced that there was no harm in nicotine useage from these products. Other than monetary gain for pharma companies, I can’t figure out why the fed and state gov’s would ban/restrict the use of vaping…..Except that individuals might be influenced with “donations”.
Thursday, Aug 6th 2:59AM

I would not have a problem, worst comes to the worst ill not use nicotine, and just mix my own as i do now!
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:25AM

It would be like the main goal of tobacco companies and the government would be money not my or anyone else’s health. This includes non-smokers because as a smoker they will inhale bad stuff, even if it’s 3rd hand smoke — which as a smoker they can get from my hair, clothes, home, car, etc. even if they are never ever around me while I actually smoke.
Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:00PM

I make my own juice so that better not get more expencive!
Sunday, Aug 2nd 7:18PM


There would definitely be less motivation for smokers to try them. Money and health were the two reasons I tried them. It would be completely irresponsible to tax them at the same rate.
Saturday, Aug 1st 7:59PM

It might slow down the Vaping movement, but it would continue to grow. A Giant Black Market would arise.
Saturday, Aug 1st 8:16PM

I have the right to make choices about my health. I choose to vape and to be tobacco- and smoke-free.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:35PM

I think e-cigs should be taxed like any other product, but NOT like tobacco. Tobacco is taxed heavily because of the healthcare costs smoking produces. Vaping is not that dangerous, so it shouldn’t be taxed like tobacco.
Saturday, Aug 1st 6:25PM

I can still afford it and would still vape, but it might easily deter others.
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:02PM

Criminal, but probably inevitable
Saturday, Aug 1st 4:34PM

Not sure how the could justify taxing e cigarettes or e liquids. Other than vat
If e liquids where heavily taxed then more people would start diy mixing which in my opinion could be more dangerous if not knowledgable.
Friday, Jul 31st 6:56PM

A lot of time, saving money is a big factor for quitting cig.
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM

If they tax it, it wont affect me because i mix my own… Mother fukka’s are so gready!
Monday, Jul 27th 12:59PM

if the taxes become outrageous then no new person is gonna bother trying and if the choices are limited then vaping will be no more successful than the patch or gum 🙁
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM

I am against any tax on e-cigarettes, it already costs to much for most people especially the ones that have moved from regular to e-cigs because they could no longer afford regular cigs.
Sunday, Jul 26th 1:11AM

As a machinist, I can make my own mech mods and attys. I build my own attys, I don’t use regulated power supplies, and I make my own juice. They can’t hurt me… but they can certainly have a negative effect on others, both new and experienced.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:50PM

they are in no way, shape, or form – tobacco, stop trying to tax them as such!
Saturday, Jul 25th 7:37PM

It will be a sad sad day when this happens. The biggest fear I have is government taking away what has clearly saved my life.
Saturday, Jul 25th 10:15AM

the goverments want controll for the money it rakes in they just want their greedy little mitts on it. i think alot of people would go back to smoking, thats not good
Wednesday, Jul 22nd 8:47AM

Politicians refuse to let a source of revenue lie dormant, peoples health is secondary
Tuesday, Jul 21st 11:52AM

I’ll make my own coils, my own juice – not going to tax me to hell and back.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM

I dont think taxes would stop people from vaping. I would not stop. But it will just weaken vaping and make it a bit less attractive, especially for new vapers.
Sunday, Jul 19th 1:49AM

black market, nuff said.
big tobacco and their croneys can GFTS!!
Saturday, Jul 18th 4:31PM

I see no need to tax ecigarettes. We pay sales tax on this stuff, isn’t that enough for the state? It’s not my fault if the states depend on funds from a source that kills it’s consumers and needs to find money elsewhere now that they are earning less revenue do to people making a healthy switch. We should be rewarded for switching to vape since it’s a healthier alternative, not punished.
Saturday, Jul 18th 2:46PM

If the flavors are restricted or taken away, I wouldn’t be able to keep vaping. I’ve tried different tobacco flavors…even the tobacco flavor made by Marlboro…they all taste bad, even the menthol.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:24PM

It would also create a huge black market of which i would be going to.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM

Motivation is multifactorial. I was actually motivated to buy my first ecig to replace the nicotine while I had a rabid ex-smoker in the house working for me. Once I tried it I felt I could use it to give up smoking for health. Money was never a motivation for me. “Is it cheaper” is usually the first question people ask me so it’s obviously a factor for most people.
Wednesday, Jul 15th 6:33PM

I hope it will be recognized as the help people need to quit smoking and NOT taxed.
Tuesday, Jul 14th 12:23PM

A black market could develop
Tuesday, Jul 14th 5:28AM

Of course, it wouldn’t result in people not trying e-cigarettes at all, just because they’re not cheaper than tobacco anymore. That’s not the point. But it would increase the threshold for people to “just give it a try and see if it works”. If, at the time, a pack of cigarettes was 5 EUR and that eGo-T kit would have been 10 EUR, I might have hesitated to just give it a try. It might be a good idea to tax nicotine concentrate a bit more, so people have some incentive to drop their nicotine consumption or go down to 0mg – after all, a caffeine addiction is still an addiction, too.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:03PM

i will import my goods meaning the UK will lose out on VAT.
Monday, Jul 13th 7:29PM

It would be criminal.
Monday, Jul 13th 5:24PM

They are NOT a tobacco product…so they should not be taxed as such
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM

There is absolutely no justification for treating vaping products the same as tobacco products.
Monday, Jul 13th 2:56PM

Taxes on tobacco were to offset the health care cost, vaping should be encouraged to help rid all of their need for tobacco
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM

Dear politicians, do NOT regulate it into a black market. I, however already have my black market sources set up. We ex-smokers ain’t playin’!!!
Monday, Jul 13th 1:27PM

The e-cig users I know would never go back to tobacco – even with a tax on e-cigs. I would complain about the tax but would never go back to cigarettes.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:50AM

It would increase costs for no good reason, assuming they aren’t made with tobacco.
Monday, Jul 13th 10:29AM

The fact that they are less expensive in the long run, combined with the fact that there is a big expense at the start, encouraging commitment to trying to stay with them instead of going back when it gets hard, makes e-cigarettes more likely to help smokers quit smoking for good. They should not be taxed like cigarettes are.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:33AM

Vaping is not smoking. Vaping is the solution to the problem of smoking.
Monday, Jul 13th 8:53AM

i think its mainly a matter of principles and semantics. foodies generally arent bulimic, it doesnt mean the same thing so why should they be put in the same basket? I am not a smoker anymore so why should I be opressed as one? yes, i said opressed. that being said im not an economy analyst
Monday, Jul 13th 8:45AM

everything that we as people like get taxed on everything ,if they tax us on vaping equipment lots of people would not try and probably never quit ,I find that disgraceful
Monday, Jul 13th 8:22AM

People in the e-cig industry already regulate their own products to a much higher standard than most other industries..
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM

it would be the government wanting money to make up for there loss no better than drug dealers
Monday, Jul 13th 5:56AM

Trying to make vaping less accessible irresponsible, dangerous and will cost lives.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:42AM

I am fairly confident I will never go back to cigarettes. They are disgusting.
Monday, Jul 13th 3:08AM

Never going back
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:27PM

How do you tax something as tobacco when there is no tobacco in it? Do they tax lighters and ashtrays like tobacco? Do they tax nicotine patches and gums like tobacco?
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM

Some tax will be involved it’s the American way, but should Never be treated the same…
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM

they should be taxed and regulated to an extent tobacco taxs are out of the question
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:32PM

If/when the e-cig industry gets taxed at the same level as the tobacco industry, you will see less motivation for borderline smokers/vapers to switch to vaping, in their minds it would be like; Why bother to smoke and vape, its gonna cost me about the same either way, I liked smoking, I’m gonna go back to smoking. Another thing I think you will see is the vape industry go underground, black market kinda thing. Online sales with little to no regulation what so ever will be the way to go. With some of the larger vendors become even larger and richer, and some of the smaller and mid size companies will expand and get larger as well. All the rest, the small fry will either get bought up by the other vendors, or will simply go out of business. It is scary to think that the politicians have the e-cig industry by the short and curlies, for what reason? GREED plain and simple.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:14PM

We are not using tobacco and vaporizers and eliquid should not be controlled and taxed the way tobacco is. Smoking cigarettes is deadly. Vaping is not.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:17PM

Small vape shops would not survive the costs.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM

I hope when regulations come and tax the products, they consider the fact most of our industry is comprised of businesses with 10 people or less. Please regulate us as such, we are not a giant corporation.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:40PM

Its probably gonna happen
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:55PM

This question should be split. Taxed=it would be totally unfair to vapers. Regulated=it would protect vapers.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:23PM

I might go back to smoking because of the price … or go black market with health risks
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:39PM

How is punishing someone for choosing a healthier
lifestyle sane?
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:41PM

The prices would say rocket and people wouldn’t be able to afford it. If am item that is $120 and say gets taxed 70% like Washington DC the price goes up to $205 and that’s just the tax let alone what the shop needs to make a profit so like $230 alot of people including my self can’t afford that.
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:54AM

Those in charge would lower the percentage of niccotine in eliqiud , and we would be stuck with those silly cigarrete look a like e-cigs!
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:31AM

This is the only strategy that will get the government away from criticizing the industry.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:40AM

I believe that the regulations for the E-cig industry will tower over the tobacco, in that there are over 4100 hazardous chemicals, 57 of them are known cancer causers in each puff of a cigarette. There is no comparison between the 2.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM

There will become a black market for them.
Sunday, Jul 12th 8:21AM

It would destroy the industry and hurt countless people!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM

Vaping saves lives compared to tobacco.
Sunday, Jul 12th 6:01AM

Money is one of the big motivating factors, I believe.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:45AM

taxing like cigarettes would drive people back to smoking as prices would be crazy high as they are its not a cheep alternative now
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:32AM

Taxing and regulating e-cigarettes the same as combustable tobacco products while keeping those on the market would result in people who could otherwise switch not doing so. Ultimately that would be detrimental to public health. Some people cannot or do not want to abstain from nicotine, and as adults should have the right to determine for themselves the form they wish to take their nicotine. However, those forms which are less harmful, or perceived to be less harmful to the individual user should be encouraged by less taxation and fewer regulations than combustible products with known health effects.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM

This would be a public health travesty.
Epic stupidity.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:58PM

I don’t believe it should be regulated or taxed as a tobacco because it is not. Comparing apples to oranges…
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:18PM

if they made if so I cannot purchase the ingredients I need, like nicotine to make my ejuice. I would probably just go to zero nic. But MANY people would return to smoking. If I could not make zero nic ejuice I would probably fall into smoking rapidly.
Saturday, Jul 11th 7:34PM

just be a dangerous health question
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:32PM

Which would suit big tobacco and big pharmaceutical companies producing patches and gum for us all to rely on them.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM

could become cost prohibitive.
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:07PM

The cost is often the first carrot to tempt people to make the switch, and any impediment to getting people to stop using traditional tobacco products is a very, very bad idea (except for Big Tobacco).
Saturday, Jul 11th 8:07AM

I would just by juice in parts and mix my own
Saturday, Jul 11th 4:21AM

This is about me not smoking cigarettes, not about taxes, if the government taxed e cigarettes I would be very disappointed , that would make a tax look like a tax grab not about a choice of the lessor of 2 evils.
Saturday, Jul 11th 2:57AM

Would make me hate tobacco and government even more. Astonishing how the greatest cause of preventable death in the world is still legal and on the market. People have voting power and the more people that take side with the viability of PV’s, the more influence there will be to prevent this from happening.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM

No matter what I’ll will not go back to tobacco , if I had to I would just completely quit it all , just have to replace my time with exercise , painting. Let’s see them tax that !!
Saturday, Jul 11th 12:59AM

I would still vape
Friday, Jul 10th 10:31PM

There are smokers and there are vapers seldom do I see both
Friday, Jul 10th 10:42PM

It is not tobacco.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM

You cannot just pick up an ecig and vape. There is so much you need to learn to work the equipment properly and find a taste that you enjoy and a nicotine level that you need. Vape shops need to be able to explain various products they have. People need to be able to sample the e-liquid before they buy or they will just be wasting money on things that don’t work and just stick to smoking because it is so much easier.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:48PM

It will open the doors to subpar ejuices and mock mods, tanks accessories, black market. No one wants toxic chems in their ejuice, no one wants sub par Mods, tanks.
Friday, Jul 10th 3:04PM

There´s allways a choise not to pay too much. Though it would ruin business locally (the few left, most of them allready went abroad)
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM

While many of us (myself included) would continue to vape regardless (because we are capable of DIY building everything necessary from devices, to vaporizers, to e-liquids) this would stop thousands or more from being able to successfully kick the smoking habit!
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:22PM

If categorized as a tobacco product, people may think they are just as harmful. Also, the fact that ecigs are much cheaper is a huge factor in people deciding to try them, and ultimately quit cigarettes all together.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 12:12PM

Vaping is not a tobacco product.
Wednesday, Jul 8th 1:33AM

It would be an unconscionable effort by the government to recoup lost revenues from the cigarette taxes that they have profited from to date. History will reveal the great lies and deceit of the tobacco vilification of our semi recent political climate regarding tobacco use, and the huge government profits gained by this slanted social agenda.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:22PM

I wouldn’t be going back to smoking but it would effect those who currently smoke.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 6:42PM

I think regulation would be better for safety, but taxing like tobacco would be bad.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 2:37PM

I would start mixing my own e liquid and buy hardware from overseas or from ‘vaping underground’
Monday, Jul 6th 9:57AM

Doesn’t bear thinking about.
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM

Make your own E juice it’s easier then most people think.
Saturday, Jul 4th 4:45PM

And obviously – the only people to gain from this is the government.
Wednesday, Jul 1st 11:58PM

In countries where sale of e-liquids containing nicotine, this would in effect legalize those liquids. This of course means, that the regulation is not completely skewed to not reflect the amounts people use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 7:18PM

There would be less motivation for smokers to try them. Many vapers would go back to smoking. It would be likely for the emergence of a ‘black market’ with products really dangerous to public health similar to the trade in illicit alcohol.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 2:55PM

Regulation also has the issue that it would basically kill all the BETTER devices, mods, atomizers etc. and cig-a-likes would invade the markets which almost everyone knows are not effective / satisfying at all. Also one of the main things compared to smoking has always been SAVING MONEY while having some “bad habbit”. Taxing and regulation would make everything much more expensive than what it is and would also kill smaller businesses and give e-cigarette industry to tobacco companies who have the money.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:43PM

One of the reasons i switched over to vaping is that its a LOT cheaper than smoking( atleast in Finland). Roughly 5€ a pack of smokes, 1 pack a day is 150€ a month. I ordered liquids that i mix myself, cost roughly 80€, and it lasts me 4-6 months.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 10:29AM

No proven harm = NO SIN TAX. They can tax it when they calculate harm and tax-payer burden in financial terms, but it should also reflect the savings/reduction in harm from cigarette use. A decrease in sin tax revenue from tobacco is NOT a reason to tax as they are supposed to be collected to cover associated social costs of cigarette use, which would drop along with cigarette use.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 9:07AM

…and cause many many more people to die unnecessarily from tobacco related illnesses.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 12:22AM

Vaping is a safer form of smoking and most definitely prolongs people’s well-being should they switch to vaping over tobacco, therefore should not be taxed
Monday, Jun 29th 4:42PM

Taxation already exists in the form of VAT on purchases. If taxation is increased I will shop more from abroad to avoid paying the UK Government monies I do not believe are justifiable.
Monday, Jun 29th 5:51AM

I don’t think I would go back, but I would probably look at untaxed sources
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM

Flavours and nic strength wouldn’t be such a choice either. Not to mention finding a device for each individual.
Sunday, Jun 28th 5:53PM

It would be likely to reduce access to non-smokers wanting to vape. That being said, this is a low number of people who it would affect.
Sunday, Jun 28th 2:35PM

They should NOT be taxed – end of.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:27AM

Sales tax alone is income to the government, sales that otherwise would not be there. Anything more is just government greed and abuse of governmental authority and power. There should not even BE a “sin tax”. Furthermore overtaxing will destroy the industry and put it firmly in the hands of Big Tobacco.
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM

#1. Some people will always smoke cigarettes.
#2. It depends on how high the tax is. If it is
less than cigarettes we have a chance at
introducing them to smokers to save money (and
improve their health)
#3 If the tax is comparable to cigarettes, then
we approach the smoker on change of lifestyle,
improved health, better living environment,
etc.
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:46AM

Very sad day.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM

Some teens have a passing interest in e-cigarettes, but are far more interested in smoking. One of the biggest draws is saving money over smoking – health is a far second.
Sunday, Jun 28th 8:24AM

In the UK we pay VAT on vaping anyaway so there is no real need to tax.
Sunday, Jun 28th 9:12AM

I would find a black market
Sunday, Jun 28th 7:00AM

While I would never smoke tobacco again, I know many who aren’t far enough along the quitting process and would revert to smoking.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:36AM

I think the government wants use to smoke as they get a lot of money from smokers. I am sad to say that but I think it is true.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:01AM

I’m one of the few people that enjoy saying, “I don’t know” when asked something I don’t know the answer to
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM

If e-cigarettes are taxed and regulated the same way tobacco is, this would cause a lot of small businesses to be shut down because they wouldn’t be able to afford the measures needed to meet these absurd regulations, or they would have to upcharge their products so much that it would be MORE expensive than cigarettes. This would put an end to innovative vaping technologies, creative thinking, and ultimately drive vapers back to smoking!
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:23PM

ofcourse, tax it, and I’ll buy tax free online internationally thankyou very much, but if vaping was made to cost anything close to the price of smoking, it would be a complete disaster, it would give smokers no real motivation to vape vs smoke.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:10PM

It wouldn’t effect me because I DIY.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:02PM

This is where the government needs to be locked out!
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:28PM

My shop would close the day after that tax went into effect.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:22PM

It would be a crime! People deserve the chance and it isn’t tobacco so don’t tax it like it is. Part of quitting tobacco was to save me money.
Saturday, Jun 27th 3:05PM

Taxed like Tobacco would deter people from wanting to try it because they’re paying the same tax on vapor products as they would cigarettes.. At that point it would only come down to the people who would really want to stop, and need the alternative.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:46PM

This is perhaps the biggest concern I have right now. I want to see anyone who wants to try e-cigs to have the chance!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM

Price is driving a good deal of my business. Taxes will hurt.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:27PM

I originally tried it because I wanted to save money. I really had no expectation of quitting since nothing I’ve tried had worked. If they cost the same as tobacco cigarettes, less people may be inclined to try them. I quit over a year ago and the only reason I’m not saving ugh money is because it has become a hobby collecting gear and new devices.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:37PM

Taxation would mean more people keeping on smoking and not trying egigs
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:33PM

It would lessen the incentive for tobacco users to switch to vaping
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:55AM

nothing would change except pricing
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:13AM

And it would be illegal in France to tax them as tobacco or even near.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:50AM

It would deter new people to vaping, but to those of us that are experienced it wont. How are you going to tax pg vg and flavor? It is really easy to make, coils wick and all. That’s what’s driving everyone insane. They can tax the disposables, but no one buys them now anyway.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:27AM

I am lucky, I can make mods, atties and juice. Most will not have this luxury.
Saturday, Jun 27th 6:49AM

It would seriously harm vaping and could destroy it.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM

I would stop vaping and I wouldn’t use any tobacco products.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:40AM

It can already be inaccessible financially, I feel further taxation, particularly in the ranges I’ve seen proposed, would be downright discriminatory to lower income individuals.
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM

I’d be pissed off!
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:00AM

we will make a black market,no thanks on your tax..
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:32AM

I personally would try to find a black market solution to avoid pointless taxation and stealth vape in public places.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:21PM

Primarily, the majority of folks that would still vape are those that have truly experienced how bad smoking can harm the body.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:33PM

I think it would have to be fairly draconian for me to consider going back to smoking. Will undoubtedly slow take up and discourage switching though, which would be a big fail for public health.
Friday, Jun 26th 4:54PM

I can make literally everything I need myself, except for the nicotine extract. If it’s taxed to hell, I’ll just be planning semi-annual trips to Mexico.
Just sayin’.
Friday, Jun 26th 1:43AM

I won’t be going back to smoking
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM

It depends on the regulations set. If it was controlled by the cigarette industry I really do not know what I would do.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM

If you treat it like tobacco it will have a stigma of tobacco this may put people off from trying also as money sometimes can be a factor taxing it would also not help it should be treated as a consumer product with some regulations ie 18 age restriction with support of health officials as a way of stopping using tobacco
Thursday, Jun 25th 7:42AM

The government only cares about your tax money and will do whatever it takes to get it. The health argument is just a political goto strategy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:28PM

I would learn to make my own ejuice!
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:29PM

stupidest decision on the planet
Wednesday, Jun 24th 11:09PM

it will assist with closing local shops. And I wll not buy online, so therefore could push me back to smoking tobacco
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:37PM

Flavourings are used in food as well and would be very hard to tax, nicotine and vg/pg would be hard to tax as well and can be stored in freezers for years to come.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 5:04PM

People will continue to smoke, even if ecigs were being given away.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:29PM

SIN TAX OK
CIGARETTE TYPE TAX NOT OK
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:49PM

To treat e-cig users as smokers, and e-cig products as tobacco products, infringes on our rights. It is ignorant and dishonest. it makes me question the people who have been elected into power and the industries pulling their strings.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:11AM

Taxed or regulated as tobacco, would be seen as “being the same as tobacco” – even though vaping CLEARLY is not smoking.
The same as banning people to walk around in public with water bottles, since no one can tell if its really water in that bottle, or maybe vodka/gin?
There has to be an incentive to switch to vaping – other than improving health. Harm reduction and harm reversal seems to be the main goals of switching, and the most smokers are low-middle income people, that really wants to save a penny and get on with a life not chained to smoking cigarettes. If tobacco/vaping were to be taxed and regulated even stricter, with higher prices – that would only benefit the big companies and the governments … the smokers/vapers would still buy the products (liquids/e-vapes/cigarettes) even if the price went skyhigh, and the rest of the family (the children) will be left to pay the ultimate sacrifice: What ever money is left, after the vaping/smoking products has been bought, is what is left for food, clothes a.s.o.
Tobacco/vaping gear are “BARE NECESSITIES” – or “need to have” – food and clothes will (by smokers) be seen as “nice to have”.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:48AM

My circle of novice users and I will continue vaping because we have a large amount of private stock to last us for 10 years or more. Everyone should do that. someone who Taxes a healthier alternative over tobacco does not earn respect and should never win.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:12AM

Personally, I will NOT go back to smoking tobacco, whatever the law is. If necessary, I’ll become a criminal – after being a good citizen for almost 50 years.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 4:31AM

in my country it would be twice as expensive as
smoking is so it will be harder to get people to
switch over to the amazing world of vaping sadly
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:10AM

Governments would also be attaching their revenues to a variable source which their motivation is to see diminish. This is the very definition of fiscal insanity and must be resisted, not for the health of the vaping industry but for the health of the population as a whole.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:21AM

cost is always a factor but if they cost the same I would still use my vape rather than smoking because it has allowed me to ween off nicotine
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:49PM

for myself, i don’t care. I build my own coils, i can DIY for my liquid to avoid taxes. But it will prevent some smokers from trying and that’s a shame.
Unfortunatly, Taxes may be the only thing that will make governments support the ecig. If they can get their money from the ecig, as much as with the regular ones, and with less health issues….believe me, if this happens, you will see a bunch of officials and media praising the holy ecig…
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:33PM

I believe I would totally quit. We are taxed to death now.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28PM

The states would reap the profits the small store would close and people will go back to tobacco use because it will be cheaper.( i can guarantee that) people will be dying from smoking more and more. This is not the right answer
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24PM

You can’t regulate something like tobacco if there isn’t tobacco in it.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:27PM

..in Canada to classify a product as something that it is not, for the purpose of regulation/taxation.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:23AM

For me, my e-cig is a health product, why would they tax something that’s saving them spending money to treat me for health issues?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:06PM

If ecigs are treated the same as tobacco, it will deter smokers from switching. If it comes to the point that ecigs are no longer available or so expensive I couldn’t afford them, I’d go straight to the black market without any guilt whatsoever.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 12:17PM

Treatments for disease (tobacco addiction) should not be taxed. Sin tax was placed on tobacco to offset the healthcare costs. There is no evidence that vaping causes any harm to health or increased cost to healthcare. If anything reducing smoking reduces health consequences. We should be handing vapes out in hospitals & healthcare facilities
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 1:00PM

Just like when cigarette taxes increased and we saw an increase of tobacco trafficking, we will see the industry move underground. And probably with a lot more success than tobacco ever had, as it’s not that difficult to do much of this stuff yourself.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:32AM

Before I started vaping I was spending 500$ or more a month between the wife and myself. After starting vaping its half that per month, however, I do splurge on new mods 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 11:32AM

They say smoking costs the NHS a lot of funds over the years, so are taxed to help cover those funds, yet people that vape are now not using the service for smoking related illnesses, which in the long term should see less having to be spent because of people having a healthier lifestyle?
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 10:57AM

If e-cigarettes were taxed, I would be pissed-off, but I would still use them (and start hunting for good deals online!)
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:07AM

So stupid to tax it. But we all know its coming.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 9:14AM

Again MONEY is the primary objective. Big Tobacco and Pharmacuticals have lost aLOT of money due to less revenue by individuals choosing to VAPE. It is a BRUTAL shame that many (IF taxed/regulated) a smoker may never try vaping for THAT reason. I may spend more now stockpiling but in the long run, it will pay for itself! Would I go back to smoking – NO, I’ve been on the other side too long. I have stocked up on a multitude of supplies.
Never will I give my funds to do harm t my body and honestly the thought of the taste of burning tobacco … bleck !
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:32AM

If E cigarettes are regulated the same as tobacco products then we may as well sick a fork in my eye as there is no hope and the world has gone mad!
oh i know lets regulate something to the point its impossible for users to have a decent vape then tax it and encourage converting back to killer cigarettes costing the nhs a fortune stupid f@*ked up world.
Sarcasm!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 8:16AM

I believe the government does not care one
bit about our health. It’s all about the tax.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:07AM

Vaping should be encouraged, and for those that need help affording this technology, the money raised from smokers for smoking should be made available to any smoker who wishes to quit smoking in any manner.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:48AM

ecigs will eventually become the norm for nicotine delivery!
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 7:47AM

There is no reason to tax like cigarettes, that is just a money grubbing tactic by the government because so many people are quitting they are losing money. Some states states are going to be in it deep when they need to start paying off the tobacco settlement money bonds.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:28AM

Would make it just as expensive and therefore less viable choice for quitting.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:24AM

People with health awareness could still prefer vaping no matter the cost.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 6:20AM

taxation will not effect me unless it’s at a ridiculous rate
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 5:58AM

It would be criminal and the worst decision ever made by trying to gain money from a health product.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:42AM

This is why I learned to wrap and wick coils, and to make my own e-liquid. The government can stuff their taxes in any orifice they feel appropriate. 🙂
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:57AM

I would sue the government, and seek criminal charges.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:54AM

If e-cigarettes are taxed / regulated as tobacco, I believe the government who passes that legislation has effectively murdered millions of people.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:33AM

It depends on how extensive the taxing was and how much the prices would go up. But yes any taxing would make it less accessible and more likely to deter people from trying.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 4:22AM

It would be a stupid thing to do as one of the main reasons for taxing tobacco is to deter users due to the danger.
Tuesday, Jun 23rd 3:33AM

MEDIA, you’re NEXT.


Research on ECIGS is well published and available  HERE and HERE

Medical Professionals are HERE


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More to come – including the final analysis of the last survey!

As I logged into my blog this morning, I checked a few things. In doing so, I realized – to my surprise –  this is my 100th blog.

55,482 visitors in almost a year, with 97,735 views.

Small numbers in comparison to some I am sure, but I hope you enjoy reading my information as much as I enjoy giving it to you.

I thank you all for your support and friendship both on Facebook and Twitter.

Keep On #Vaping On
Kevin.

Media & Public Health Uncover Big Vaping Syndicate & Heads Are Rolling

BIG VAPING

Breaking Late this afternoon breaking news hit Twitter and rocked the vaping world, and as it turns out, Simon Capewell may have been the “stool”.

Public health officials worldwide were rattling their bunson burners – firing up years of frustration in what seemed a minor victory uncovering the biggest scandal in public health since the For-mouse-a-hyde capade.


Health officials (((Worldwide on a Saturday?))) were scrambling to know who actually broke the news, odds actually ended up favoring Stanton Glantz as real “stool” – having inside information to the finally broken wall of what no one ever heard of until today, Big Vaping.

Known players were in no particular order, but were in no particular mood, either. Names were not changed to protect the guilty.

Big Stoopid Vape, AKA VapeMeStoopid, Big Vape Charlie, big*SPARKLY*vapor*SJ, Big Vapor Gords, Big Vape DrMA, Big VaEHp from Canada, Big Vapor Agent Ania (curiously “agent” in her name), Big Vapor Debora J, Big Vapor “Paulie” Paul.

Big Broony Vapor, (thought to be the muscle in unknown parts of deep Australia), Big Vapor GrammyNums, Big D Vapor, finally Alan (Big Vapor) and one unclear Johnny Truth BVShill ‏. . .


Authorities are refusing to release imminent information on exactly who broke these once thought unreachable and never together individuals thought to be known as “Big Vapor- or is it “Big Vaping”… It eludes me already.


It seems there’s never been so much as a single secret syndicate meeting – ever. It was not hard to find them – each was sitting at their computer signed into twitter, with facts and stats open in various states of windows, mac and dos computers proclaiming lots of “drivel” out loud… and muttering other slightly harsher words like “hydrate” . All seemed to have a quick wispy cloud of vapor disappearing in front of them every so often…


“Big Vapor Agent Ania” as she is known, was being handcuffed and said

“I am NOT going without my mint condition bobblehead Stefan and you can’t make me, copper”,

perplexing investigators as to what she was really trying to say, as she got in the back of the public health van she exclaimed “I just won it and it’s coming with me!” (Still thinking copper, aren’t you)


Alan (aka Big Vapor) Claims no ties, yet on his profile it clearly states “Consumer,with 0 industry ties not even Big Vapor!” – a common cover according to the experts, but he was questioned and released.


“Big Stoopid Vape” was heard saying she “wasn’t saying shit“, except this reporter could kiss her “something or other..” and they pepper sprayed her. sc


The confusion started in a tweet to someone, who tweeted someone else and the coverup was unfolding as it retweeted at least two times on 6 different accounts from 19 people in 4 minutes – before their very eyes.

Big Vaping, it seems, is similar to what the public health world calls much a more dangerous field than vaping, “Big Tobacco”. Dum Dum Dummmmm…….. Media can’t even get this right.


The similarities from two websites are obviously are even fooling the so-called experts. It seems “intelligent people” in high positions cannot tell the difference from persuasion, innuendo and flat out false statements from the State of California at stillblowingsmoke.org


– and real truth from THIS website , notblowingsmoke,org which lists advocacy sites – just like this blog does, and real science for the public- for obvious reasons.


They didn’t pay me to put advocacy on here, either. Dumm Dum Dummmmmm.


In the world e-cigs, vapers and vaping~  research and science is very important to non existent “Big Vapor”.  As a matter of fact, truth just seems to dissipate from anyone else in public health except the wonderful worldwide team of real Researchers, Doctors, Nurses, and Scientists at M.O.V.E.


One of them put together this million dollar presentation called Vaping-the-truth-USA



The conclusion; there is no “big vaping” after all, just a big bunch of wind from California – heading north and east into Canada…  as far as e-cigs go, pretty much all public health officials are still being questioned for integrity, ignoring science and possible litigation is sure to arise above the big vaping world, regardless of organization from within.


Turns out the only “industry ties” are grants from tobacco to public health researchers and tobacco control… but we already knew that, the public doesn’t, because it’s information they don’t want you to know – like the research with vaping…. Turns out heads aren’t rolling at all, just your eyes. “Big Vapor Neal” was never found, just a pile of half-eaten old rusty batteries where they thought he’d be. Now – Check Clive Bates out...

 

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Added 04/16/17

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READ THIS! :Tobacco Free CA poster on E-cigarettes backfires


Keep On #Vaping On.

Kevin  

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