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Battle Lines & Bruises. I get by with a little help from my friends.

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I tweet what comes to mind about vaping. For that matter, I blog the same way! I rarely have a plan, Almost off the cuff, I take chances and just go with the flow. Sometimes I jump in head first, sometimes I star a tweet, almost always retweet… sometimes I leave well enough alone.


Sometimes I’ll drag it and beat it and find it again because it pissed me off enough to add two more cents into the barrel of monkeys. I’ll take the lead, I’ll putz along behind two hours later…

LOVING the people I follow and who follow me, for their dedication, teamwork, awareness…. and much more… we really are like a huge global family, we don’t always agree, we definitely watch out for each other and when its time for someone else to do the dishes, we do them.


I try optimism, yet the lure of lies within the tweets I see or that are pointed out to me almost always bring me to pessimistic side of me at best. I kind of go “good cop/bad cop”. Like the vaping devil’s advocate, I ~try~ to have a standard, giving a chance to anyone to see the opposite side, yet knowing it may be on deaf ears.

That’s ok, it’s the followers of that person I’m more concerned about seeing the followup…with the original tweeter battered and bruised with the truth. Normally, one or 12 will jump in with a link, a statement  – and have a knack for being there. I don’t often see that with “the other side”. They leave themselves to us to either show the truth or be tweeted alive….


I’m still learning – from all of you, and I thank you for it. We’re either tweeting to the choir or tweeting to someone with a predisposed position. Rarely can there be a change of heart, thought, goal or motive…. but we’re doing it anyway!


I try humor (try, it’s not always “funny” I’ll admit). Truth. Valiance. Hero & villian within the same tweet on occasion. Sarcasm. Evil thoughts. Friendly questions…. sometimes I’m just an ass. Please note, I am not an expert. Not “trained” in social media, and certainly don’t know what I’m doing half the time, faking it the other half. 🙂 I see others doing. Not being afraid. Taking “social risk” if you will, with or without thought. Tweeting their asses off for the better of man/womankind.


We, and more than likely you who are reading this, are an advocate. We’re waiting for the next “bad news” story. It might *doubt it* actually be true. With global emphasis on “how bad” e-cigs are, we’re paying attention worldwide, we’re not uneasy about tweeting mayors, senators, governors, organizations like the CDC & FDA…the President himself… it doesn’t mean I (we) always take the “best way” to handle situations, but it’s how we roll… and I’ve been told I was “over the top” very early in my twitter account by a vendor..one time, and I couldn’t believe I was even close yet.  🙂


There can be some very serious damage control to be done when one tweet says “dangers” from an “expert” or health pro and so on……and thousands see and some believe before I or others have to assess their intention. The perception is that we’re ganging up on people when we see an idiotic tweet in regards to bans, restrictions, children, taxing, dangers….

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That’s important to me and others who are advocating and standing up to these lies, to

“cut them off at the tweet”

so to speak. Advocating in the vaping world can be such a blast, and such a draining effort at times. I know I’ll do it whether I’m encouraged or not, retweeted or not. It’s about everyone – current smokers afraid who may see the misinformation, people who aren’t sure, and it is about future smokers and their choice as well.

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Sometimes it’s a snipe hunt. I realize some health/control people like my pal Simon Chapman have ulterior motives. I’ve been following him quite a while. He finally blocked me. It took a while for him to hit that block button, though.


Simon recently called (vapers) out here like he’s done so many times…

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I saw no point other than to respond the way I did here if you’re so inclined:

https://twitter.com/SimonChapman6/status/594373015778959360


Had I provoked him? I didn’t think so, at least not on that particular tweet, but yes, yes I have. I did after, and made them much more personal and tailored directly to him. Questioning his integrity, questioning his intelligence. Well then he blocked, and for a lack of better terms, He’s blocked bigger and better folks than myself long before I started and he’ll do it forever.

I followed him and others, to not only see the idiocy of their tweets for my own enjoyment, I figured I may learn something from him along the way.

I learn things about wind farms and tobacco control from people like simple Simon.

He’s the “expert”, right?

Reducing tobacco use should be the priority….Shouldn’t we be on on the same side?

I’ll miss you Simple Simon!


Lets move on down the vape trail a bit. I try my best to be civil, but in the end, advocacy, in my mind, has no battle line. Bruises are common, some will block without provocation, some will tweet & tweet until there’s just a big circle of stupidity…..and not care in the end.

Some will be awesome and at least pretend to understand even if they don’t, and some flat get it right away.

The pretenders and the get it right away folks are the best.

It’s not in my nature to be just “nice”.

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Some of my fellow tweeters are unbelievably awesome at it. I absolutely admire you who keep your calm, cool & composure. I try, but in the long run, I’m more reactionary and constantly at the line of incorrigible.


I don’t believe when there are things like this – that there’s a line.

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Mr. Bezanis is obviously an idiot, so we’ll move on.


When I see something from a Tobacco Control group, Cancer, actual Doctors, Public Health… and it’s irresponsible, I make it my mission to spot check these people.

I added the words after in the graphic below to post to them, but you get the picture in their tweet & mine.

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I can bore you with these as well from Tobacco Free Broward if you’re interested…

https://twitter.com/NoSmokeBroward/status/587638692438761474



We, with all our might by being advocates are trying to get a message across to the world about vaping.

There are a FEW vendors who do as well, but almost all I see are individuals. Unpaid and very committed to the vaping cause & community in various ways and means.

Radio shows, chats, facebook pages, multiple facebook pages… running meets. Advocating in court. Calling representatives. The works. Do something.


There IS notblowingsmoke.org

and what an AWESOME site it is.

No blog of mine goes without the mention of two things.

Research:

www.ecigarette-research.org

and Medical Professionals at  M.O.V.E.

Along with tweeting & facebook, we have blogs.

ANYthing you can do to make people aware that vaping is better than smoking as an alternative, DO IT.


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And last but not least at the end of this blog…

Vape Me Stoopid

This one, Vape Me Stoopid……… (and many MANY more) has my respect

for many things….


The undying

“Advocate, Reviewer, Quiet Co-host with VapinGreek on

My voice is my own & no1 elses”.


Rarely a day goes by I don’t see her tweeting. Calling out anyone, anything. Vendors. Health. Tobacco. She’s not any different than anyone else,  just like probably all of you reading this, there’s dedication and diligence to the cause on her part. She’s been around a few days…

She’s got Tweet Rage on her website. Un-f’n-believable with her thoughts. Among others, she helped me on my survey early on – on Facebook….

and about two months later I made the connection as to who she was…


This week, there was a different kind of blog from this woman who’s gone as far as talking/sounding like a frog, and telling me . 🙂

She also has predicted the FUTURE of vaping in 20 years…..


Those who inspire are inspired by others. I like to think of her as VMS…

I would like to thank her publicly for BEING VMS.

…………….she’s got a gofundme page, and a long road home………….

If you can, do what you can for her.

If you can’t, please share it and pass it on.

I’ll let her tell her story:

http://vapemestoopid.co.uk/the-long-road-home-another-adventure-for-vms/


Keep On Advocating and

Keep On #Vaping On.

Kevin.

Dear Stanton Glantz; I do not understand the goal of Tobacco Control .

S For Immediate Release Wednesday, March 25, 2015 To: Center for Tobacco Control / Research & Education, University of California, San Francisco. Attention: Distinguished Professor Of Tobacco Control, Stanton Glantz:


Mr. Glantz, if your goal is to get people off tobacco, as a Distinguished Professor Of Tobacco Control, I must point out that a 1st year high school chemistry student can see e-cigarettes are MUCH less harmful. I do not understand the goal and can only conclude you have become delusional. I question your “sudden” support of the CDPH. You are stating that the goal of your department and that of the CDPH is not first and foremost for public health?


You state in your blog that “It is the best thing out there so far”… now you’re back on their side? Were there doubts of their performance thus far?

One gleaming example of a long standing, ever-failing cash filled campaign is the “war on drugs”. There’s still a problem, and there’s still a war. Tobacco control, as you are well aware has its own battle scars, but I digress.


I urge you, in fact IMPLORE you to step back from this issue for a moment, think outside the box, and put your best foot forward in becoming one more of many standing up in the field with others. With resources at your disposal & your evidently proud and tenacious nature, you could help change the world.


I encourage swift, immediate healthy engagement by you and staff. Please contact the M.O.V.E. organization as Researchers, Scientists, Doctors, Nurses & other responsible Health Professionals are there. See what they have for truth & research on the matter; consider becoming a growing part of it. As a leading researcher yourself, this should be a piece of cake.


(M.O.V.E.) https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/ Please also see proper research that has already occurred: (Ecigarette Research) http://www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php


Please, if you are in doubt of the sincerity of this post, delete it. I dare you. You don’t have to answer and certainly you don’t have to post it. You are however, well aware, regardless of your views or claims by the very nature of receipt of this correspondence, there ARE answers, facts, science and research, and they are not hiding. I will post this to your blog, Twitter, Facebook and my blog will hold it for posterity. I like facts. I like engagement. You are free to come to my blog and autograph it any way you like. You know – if it’s worth the public health’s time…. (I have to “approve” comments, but I will not delete a word, so I freely invite you to do so).


It seems unimportant and ignored, even seems to conveniently elude some IN the research world, public health and media. “Gut” feelings, emotions and opinion are not science. Can’t you correspond with one another? I simply challenge you to either A. Check those two sites, contact Dr. Farsalinos directly here drfarsalinos@ecigarette-research.org with ANY question B. Dispute them at that point with your own research. Be prepared as I am sure you are, for scrutiny on how it is done.



You see, (I) we as vapers are not looking for the “best” answers to studies fitting our needs nor to be on “our side”, Mr. Glantz. Good OR bad, we are looking for the truth, and we seek those who will tell it like it is. The ONLY thing we’re not sure of is “long term” effects-that is boringly claimed  a   lot    and so far, I say not one of us has died from vaping. We’re willing to take our chances over tobacco, and we’re healthier in the process.


These have been around for more than 10 years and are still more effective and MUCH safer, in fact SAFE compared to combustible and traditional cigarettes. The fact that you deny any other alternative is ironic, irresponsible, counter-productive, and completely unacceptable to your own goal in “tobacco control”.


I am sure you are aware of tactics to other campaigns in the tobacco world. If you’re wrong once and it is corrected it is a mistake. Twice is an irresponsible act. When it is a campaign in my “uneducated” hypothesis, to deter people and without question confuse some, you keep them on combustible tobacco by the very lies perpetuated by it. Leading public health researchers’ are calling for tobacco to be phased out by 2040, a sad, costly and detrimental twenty-five year goal to many lives.


The campaign “Still Blowing Smoke” you mention in the blog is right about one thing.

This is about children and the adult relatives surrounding that child being able to have a viable choice other than tobacco, when all other options simply fall well short with traditional nicotine reduction methods. Please check and evaluate the failure rate on those. Tobacco is simply an adult choice for anyone. Get off the “control” of e-cigarettes, or get on the responsibility of proper science and research. E-cigarettes work as a way to get off tobacco for those who choose to do so and should be and remain a choice. The website Not Blowing Smoke has truth and science in it.


Well educated people can learn from those of us without “degrees”, Mr. Glantz, and are better people for it. If you’re the smartest person in the room, you need to change rooms. This is what tobacco control has been looking for all these years. It’s right in the palm of your hands. You can choose to grow a pair and effectively end tobacco without even trying, or you can continue on your path of denial as you are, or like it says in the movie you are in – – –



presenting yourself in the media, health and scientific community as an authority, yet having the contrary aim of spreading maximum confusion about well-studied public “threats” ranging from “toxic chemicals” to “cancer”- irresponsibly as you are at the moment. Does that sound familiar?



I am just one person; I am a father, husband, and former smoker who stopped with an e-cigarette in just under two days, tobacco free almost two years. Kevin Crowley Email: kevincrowley@hotmail.com Blog: https://atomic-temporary-76342073.wpcomstaging.com/

One from Nancy on Twitter that has not been approved:

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E-Cigs & Vaping. Fighting For Livelihood, Fighting For Lives. Here’s a phone number.

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Some are fighting for their livelihood; some are fighting for lives.

 David Goerlitz would like a phone call or an email and is offering HELP.

Here’s his email and phone number.

He stated the phone line is open:

609-234-0220.

He’s also available at his email:

kgkjkl@yahoo.com…..

He’s not joking and neither am I…


Don’t know who Mr. Goerlitz is? I didn’t either till around December. I’ll get back to that.


W.H.O. , Governments. Politicians. Health Care. Health Organizations like the American Lung / Heart Associations. Anti-Tobacco. Tobacco. Pharmaceutical Companies. Doctors. Nurses. Pharmacies.

Big Corporations carrying those products that are to keep you well like drug stores and supermarkets. They’re doing the best they can fighting as well.


They have to keep money coming in, or they’ll lose a foothold. At what cost? I believe its at the very least the cost of lives. Those products had research/development. Lots of cash.


Those companies and conglomerates have investors. Investors want profit. It’s been said in this blog – Greg Conley of the AVA said vaping/ecigs are a disruptive technology.

I said in a previous blog somewhere It is again, disrupting alright. It’s disrupting cash flow from all of the above.


Those are people we vapers call antz. Those people are fighting for their livelihood. Grants. MSA funding. Tax dollars. Poorly portrayed reports in media. Misconstruing data. Pretending. Santa Claus. But its working. They’ve taken over. They’ve convinced the masses their way in ANY WAY & form that they can. We KNOW what they’re doing… what are WE doing???

For you who DO make noise, awesome. Someone heard you, I know I’ve heard quite a few. I’m SURE you know who are. We’ve probably crossed paths on Facebook or Twitter by now. You know where I stand…

For you who haven’t made any noise …. either stay quiet, become loud, or don’t WHINE and shrug your shoulders when regulation becomes control, taxation and possible bans………………..Yes I said bans. If you’re a reviewer, say something on your video about advocacy to your viewers. Maybe they don’t know. Put a clip of it up. Draw 30 seconds of attention to it. If you’re a vendor, you’ve got NO excuse not to be screaming….maybe not monetary, but you should be telling your customers and screaming at the government. By screaming I mean letters, phone calls, emails… I’ve SEEN a little of that on facebook & twitter….   MORE!


 With few exceptions, those supporting and involved directly with M.O.V.E, or those about to join ranks with M.O.V.E. are the source of truth. Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos and his team (my apologies for not naming names with him at the moment) are standing up to the world, standing UP to an extremely large agenda with class and purpose (they) have continuously shown for those who can’t.” There are others here & abroad.You know who you are, and I thank you.



For the record, I smoked for 30 + years. I’ve vaped almost 2 years. I lost my father to lung cancer last fall. I lost my Grandmother to lung cancer as well. We have been a family of smokers till death do they part. Duh. I miss them dearly, and had they known vaping, they’d be screaming louder than I am.


I DON’T care if you smoke, dual use, just started out… or have been vaping exclusively for years. If you’re vaping and you’re on line… you’ve got future generations needing a choice in this matter.


Are you comfortable?

Are you happy? Are you satisfied? Are you able to do it yourself? Do you care?

Are you complacent?

Full Definition of COMPLACENT

1:  marked by self-satisfaction especially when accompanied by unawareness of actual dangers or deficiencies :  marked by complacency :  self-satisfied <a complacent smile>
2:  complaisant 1
3:  unconcerned        com·pla·cent·ly adverb

 SO.

Vapers / consumers have been dependent on CASAA and the VAPING MILITIA  to fight for us. I asked someone recently if they were too passive. Too complacent. Too laid back.  I think they are.

Is it funding? is it complacency? Is is me? This is a HUGE fight. Cloud blowing and trinkets are awesome…..I’m all for it,  but there’s a much bigger battle. I’m not saying they’re not doing anything, I’m saying more needs to be done.


WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT LOUD ENOUGH.

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We’re playing footsies. Tickle tickle.


This is a fight not easily fought or won for the deeming regulation to occur in the USA…. I don’t know about funding, money, lobbying, cash flow, donations, calls to action, none of that bullshit either, it’s not my expertise and I’ve never run an org…….. I thankfully have a job. I enjoy social media for fun, I love the funny cat video or hand check like the next guy…. we’re all human……but I did notice THIS:


 A photo at the FDA facebook page got 7,000+ comments with a #vapingsavedmylife hashtag. I joined in… on the survey page on facebook and twitter…..

THEN I started tweeting/hitting facebook with DEEMING REGULATION.

It is about loose tobacco – pipes… it’s not just vaping……….it’s about control……………..


The tweets by me the other night were modestly retweeted about the deeming regulation and shared on facebook by a few more…   now, updated daily, the FDA site where DEEMING REGULATION will invariably happen… regulation=control=tax=bans and very stringent guidelines……………………….. As of today:

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As of today on the comments of the DEEMING REGULATION at the FDA site updated Friday:

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 That just pisses me off.

Dimitris retweeted me. A few others did too…. big accounts…to get some real action on the FDA site…..not even a “like”from some…..imagine that. BIG players in the field of vaping.

What the HELL is wrong with you people????

   There are 13,000+ on CASAA’s facebook page. There are over 8,000 on the Vaping Militia facebook page.

No, not all would see a tweet or post on that page, not all that are on facebook are members in the USA, so lets say 10 percent – that’s 2100 comments……………………………… but you can BUMP a video of a cat???

Can you pin a tweet? Can you understand you’re being played? Do you not know what this is about?

It’s about health. It’s about choice.

Finally it’s about control, and continued control of cash.

Your cash. Your children’s cash & health.

It’s about us fighting for their lives.

If you dismiss everything I’ve said about the USA above, keep going…

It’s been banned in other countries. BANNED in other countries.

That pisses me off.

I don’t know that I do everything “right”.

It’s easy to armchair the orgs from where I am. We have to keep doing SOMETHING.

now it’s up to merchants & individuals to be LOUD AS HELL as WELL….

SFATA & AVA are on that side, if you didn’t know and you’re a vendor, shame on you.



Well, David Goerlitz would like a phone call or an email to HELP. Here’s his email and phone number.

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email kgkjkl@yahoo.com……


David Goerlitz. You might recognize him, you might not. I don’t know Mr. Goerlitz myself, but was within an email only conversation with him today, and remember emailing him some time ago on FB about something. That said, I’m going to just post some of his comments – and remember – his phone line is open and if it’s busy, I’m sure he’s got voicemail. I will give his number again, and again…. at the bottom along with his blog.

“Here is where you should pay attention”


He said in part on an email:

I guess I need to tweet, twit, hash tag, or twitter to be taken seriously. I’m old school Kevin and yes you can use whatever I have for whatever you want. I don’t do selfie’s or brag about my past. But it DOES play a roll
I’ll let you read his comments.
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Again in August:

“can’t return a phone call”

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“609 234-0220……email kgkjkl@yahoo.com……I guess I need to tweet, twit, hash tag, or twitter to be taken seriously. I’m old school Kevin and yes you can use whatever I have for whatever you want. I don’t do selfie’s or brag about my past. But it DOES play a roll……………………”




David is, after all, the

http://formerwinstonman.com/ 

and understands what we’re up against. Read his blog. I don’t know if anyone will get this far in it, but if you don’t care, as you were. If you do care, do something, if I hurt your feelings, aww. If I pissed you off, GOOD. If I motivated you as an individual or a company… vendors I’m talking to YOU…..reviewers too…. and you’re going to be active at your B&M, good. Be aware…. it’s coming. David’s BEEN saying so. To the CASAA & Vaping Militia, if you know the knowledge he has, above and beyond what we do, and it is there to use, I won’t ask why you haven’t called David yet, I now will only ask “when will you”, and what else can I do? I’ll always be gladly willing to learn & take suggestions.


David’s number again if you missed it is

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email: kgkjkl@yahoo.com……


Roly Gate had this on E-Cigarette Politics and it is spot ON. Campaign For Truth In Public Health ***********


Well, David Goerlitz would like a phone call or an email to HELP. Here’s his email and phone number.

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email kgkjkl@yahoo.com……


Keep On #Vaping On. Kevin

Merchant Of Doubt. Creator of Doom. Professor of Tobacco Control, Stanton Glantz.

glantzzzzzzzzzzzz With so many controversies over e-cigarettes & vaping, now approaching is the pending possibility of regulating e-cigarettes and other forms of tobacco by the F.D.A, along with the their accepting comments from the public for it’s “deeming legislation”, and there are suddenly many “experts”. Enter Stanton Glantz..


Glantz has a background in tobacco control. You said in 1990 addiction helps people like you pay mortgages…. and in 1992, you stated “if the answer is yes, then we do it, and if the answer is I don’t know, then we don’t bother. That’s the criteria……. for research… wow…. Go ahead, click on it. tobacco2


Some experts are popping up like dandelions in your fresh spring lawn in the arenas of public health, TV doctors, reporters, politicians, even people with no degrees at all… and people in tobacco control against e-cigarettes. Stan has been around awhile. Glantz has a background in tobacco control. It would seem obvious that any professor in tobacco control would see the benefits in using an e-cigarette as a viable way to reduce harm that, if the person chose to get off tobacco for good, a professor would be in favor of just that. That way, an alleged leader in tobacco “control” would have in essence, controlled said use of tobacco. Well, that’s not really the way it is at least out in sunny California.


Stanton Glantz, with his title of PhD and “Professor of Medicine” “Professor of Tobacco Control” (Is that a real title?) is more about “control”. A Professor of doubt, a creator of doom. Seemingly, Glantz is “all powerful and all knowing”, kind of like the wizard of odd. As a “Merchant of Doom” in a smoke filled tobacco world, he’s an expert at pretending there is no research with e-cigarettes, that there’s no results. You’d think with a PhD. , and millions of dollars in funding at his fingertips at the University of California, San Francisco, he’d have defeated tobacco by now, wouldn’t you? You’d think with all that funding from trusting people, there would be nothing but fact and truth coming out of someone’s mouth holding such a prestigious position. You’d think. Stan just posted a blog. Stan likes control. Remember how his attitude was before: “if the answer is yes, then we do it, and if the answer is I don’t know, then we don’t bother. That’s the criteria……. for research… so how different has that become years later???


No bias here………….

http://cleanairquality.blogspot.co.uk/2008/01/stanton-glantzs-400000-funding-from.html?m=1

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I will give my rebuttle in italics and bold on his blog post below on the statements from Stan’s recent blog post he “considers” with his opinion. Remember, he’s a researcher, but science, fact & opinion seem to confuse him in an uncanny way. He seem to glide seamlessly and effortlessly with his words, craftily designed like he might actually be an English teacher, but I think not. His title & a link to it if you desire to read it on it’s own. Love the “(almost)” in his title… he needs to brush it up, like I will his post.


A sensible plan for effective FDA regulation of e-cigarette marketing (almost) now http://tobacco.ucsf.edu/sensible-plan-effective-fda-regulation-e-cigarette-marketing-almost-now Submitted by sglantz on Tue, 2015-03-17 12:58 Eric Lindblom, who headed the Office of Policy in the FDA Center for Tobacco Products and is now on detail at the Georgetown University School of Law, just published “Effectively Regulating E-Cigarettes and Their Advertising— and the First Amendment” in Food and Drug Law Journal. This paper is the an amazingly creative and incisive analysis of how to get out-of-control e-cigarette marketing under control as soon as the FDA achieves authority to regulate e-cigarettes.


You make an astonishing and asinine assumption of the “e-cigarette marketing being “out of control” and I find it a creative and incisive analysis… good for you Stan…. you have tried to come up with one of your own recently? You must watch a LOT of television and see a load of print ads… The part where you say “as soon as the FDA achieves authority to regulate e-cigarettes”…. that may happen, I’m not sure, but you seem to know they will. That’s pretty arrogant. Let’s continue, shall we?


Lindbloom notes that there are two possible justifications for allowing e-cigarettes on the market:


I, along with millions, only need one justification, getting myself off cigarettes. It worked flawlessly.


1. The might help current smokers quit cigarettes. 2. The might be an effective harm reduction strategy for current smokers.


“might, according to Lindbloom, is a questionable statement. He obviously listens to you. They DO help current smokers quit. “might be effective harm reduction”…. isn’t that what ANY tobacco control professor wants? People OFF tobacco?


He notes that there are several ways in which e-cigarettes could result in increased harm:


((“could” and “increased harm”)). Really? No science to back yourself up, Stan? No studies to point to or link? Ironically, being a researcher, you have no research on your part…. man that was SO disappointing you didn’t even try. Well… you’re wrong about ‘increased harm”, Stan- there are PLENTY of studies by real researchers, doctors, scientists even, stating there is significantly LESS harm, considering it’s not combustible tobacco, but you’re the expert? Researchers (what you claim to be?) Scientists & Doctors have done plenty of research and you simply insult them – your colleagues in the field – by saying there isn’t any: E-Cigarette Research (http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm))) You also tried to create a false sense of harm in your #curbit campaign. Denying the above research and keeping people on cigarettes. Is that your goal, Stan? Continued funding and job security???


Your proud moment in the #curbit campaign on Twitter, claiming toxic vapor, that e-cigs are cigarettes, and frankly misleading anyone into thinking they would be educated is ironic: S4


1. Kids who would not otherwise have smoked addicts start using e-cigarettes. 2. Former smokers take up e-cigarettes. 3. Former smokers relapse to smoking cigarettes again.


Face it Stan…. I’m calling you out on the “kids” thing. Children is a ploy Stan. It’s a catch all “doom” statement because you have nothing else. If all your work on tobacco control all these years was working like you profess it, then there would be no children SMOKING.  See Gate? No Way! here: Gate? No Way! (Thank you Mr. Zillitron). Former smokers “taking up” e-cigarettes (Adults with choices) would keep them from and OFF combustible tobacco. (Your life’s work and goal?) Former smokers relapse on other forms of smoking cessation-quite a BIT more. Either way, they’re off tobacco… still not getting it are you, and again, you’re a researcher?


While the first two points about the potential benefits of e-cigarettes are controversial,


Not to people wanting a choice to be off of combustible tobacco in a design that works effectively, it’s not “controversial”… just to you, Stan. the last three are not. Indeed, the major challenge to e-cigarette enthusiasts is how to craft a policy/regulatory environment in which the possible benefits of e-cigarettes can occur without the collateral damage of promoting increased nicotine addiction in never or former smokers.


Your assumption with the word “possible” astounds me. Are you for it or against it? “Collateral damage”? Nicotine is something else you need to research, Stan. I thought you were a RESEARCHER! Here, buddy, here’s just one link to nicotine, I don’t want to burden you with too much information at once but would like to point out that this link is from a TOBACCO HARM REDUCTION SITE in case your assistants can’t be with you to help you see it: Nicotine FAQ’s http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/faq/nicotine.htm Please note that some people not only reduce their nicotine by choice, some go as far as to use NO nicotine! I know – it’s such a surprise! Their thought is that nicotine itself is dangerous in this form comes from people like you. I can’t imagine you need to know this, yet I need to be sure we’re clear on this: The carcinogens and chemicals in tobacco from combustion of said chemicals are what is dangerous in cigarette smoking, not the nicotine.


Lindbloom presents a sensible and practical solution: Limit e-cigarette advertising and promotion to highly targeted direct-to-consumer contact materials that only go to confirmed current smokers.


Ummmm what??? Are you nuts? You want to support a “sensible and practical” solution? Are you turning the tide on your stance, Gl  ANTZ?


This is something that companies can do given their databases of current smokers.


Well, Stan, are you contributing your cash to do this? Try another #curbit campaign, that did wonders. This is something you could have done in promoting e-cigarettes rather than pretending there’s no research.


This highly focused advertising would get e-cigarette advertisements out of mass media (including the internet) and greatly reduce exposure to nonsmokers.


Are you a moonlight advertising executive and you’ve been holding out on me?


Lindbloom carefully assesses the First Amendment issues and shows how the FDA could do this discretionary enforcement authority without any new rulemaking.


I can only picture you rubbing your hands together with glee over discretionary enforcement. Control has just gone to your head now, hasn’t it…


This approach would not only allow action much faster – years faster – than using rule making, but it would also be easier to defend in court.


I think, with this statement the way it is, its just more hand rubbing…


If it turns out that e-cigarettes do not help smokers quit, keep people smoking (which I think is their actual effect)


Oh look folks, more opinion!!! I THINK it is their actual effect. ((Ugh! I think you’re an idiot!)) They DO help people quit:


or that they turn out to be a lot more dangerous than the optimists think


TURN OUT to be???? You really want people to take you seriously??? See research again Stan: E-Cigarette Research (http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm)


(i.e. if assumptions 1 and/or 2 turn out to be wrong) , the FDA can adjust its rules. But the damage will only be done to current smokers and the significant collateral damage listed in items 3, 4, and 5 will have been avoided.


Are you telling the FDA they can “adjust its rules”??? You have some control issues, Stan. Have you seen a psychologist for that? Damage… well, again, refer to that research… I keep having to tell you it’s there. This is getting old. E-Cigarette Research (http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm)))


Everyone at the FDA needs to study this paper with an open mind and see that the deeming rule which is now being finalized does not inadvertently make it harder to implement this plan.


“An Open Mind.” Simon Chapman hasn’t blocked me, I actually like some of his information. Engage properly with people in the twitter arena instead of insisting on your way or the highway, Stan. You might learn something. See if you can have an open mind sometime. You don’t do any research so you might as well ponder the wonders of learning.

S


And, while the technical details of Lindbloom’s plan are written for the US, the ideas can be easily implemented in other countries. Indeed, they may be easier to implement in countries that do not deify commercial speech the way the US Supreme Court does.


“the ideas can be easily implemented in other countries”? They may be easier??? Now you want to control the world??? You REALLY need to see a professional. Consult your Psych. Department over there at the University Of California.


Probably even more important, public health advocates need to read this paper and start pressing the FDA, their keepers in the Obama Administration, and pro-health members of Congress to make sure that this plan gets implemented.


“Probably” even more important. Is it important? You sound tired here. You must hydrate once in a while between naps. It should read something like “I implore” or “must”. Those words are strong, show you mean business and would’ve been better to get people to “start pressing the FDA” to get this implemented. What exactly IS more important? Again, get off your high horse. You are a researcher. You would think the most important goal in a TOBACCO CONTROL researcher would be to get people OFF TOBACCO. Off of cigarettes. With all the research showing it’s MUCH less harmful than cigarettes I’d think you could see that by now.





While I admit your resume’ is impressive. Your integrity is quite questionable. Your ability to try to be cute and not have any idea that research isn’t being done is stunning, but it’s getting old, but you keep at it. Pompous, self-centered and beyond your time, there are people who are helping the world. Real Researchers. Real Doctors. Real Scientists. You insult your community and dismiss, sidestep and misconstrue the very idea that e-cigarettes are safe.



Well, glANTZ, they are safe. E-cigarettes are not only safe in comparison to smoking cigarettes that they’re saving lives. They’re much safer than you trying to keep people from it. Your goal in tobacco harm reduction is to get people off of tobacco. I would presume you would be the first to know that. Do some real research, make a phone call, stop making false claims. You are endangering people and giving them the illusion that an e-cigarette is worse in your #curbit campaign. That deters people and keeps them smoking when they believe the lies you’ve spread. That is irresponsible, that is costing lives. You know, you might make a better politician than researcher. Do some research, check that out…


I’m no one important. I did do a Vaping Truth Survey – Here’s the final analysis, that by default, discredits you with no grants, staff or offices in the very things you elude to…….


Turns out I and THOUSANDS of vapers have done more research than you via E-Cigarette Research (http://www.ecigalternative.com/ecigarette-studies-research.htm)


Dear Stanton Glantz: If millions of e-cigarette users are wrong around the world by benefiting with e-cigarettes, and ONE researcher is right…… isn’t that something you should take up with your math department being statistically unsound? A concerned and much healthier e-cigarette user. As always, Keep On #Vaping On.

Kevin

NZ, thank you again.

Taking Chances with Chantix or Zyban to Quit Smoking

ZybanDoctor’s orders: take your medicine, take your chances. Zyban and Chantix are government approved prescribed medications to allegedly help smokers stop smoking.

Extremely important information from consumers experiencing side-effects from Zyban and Chantix was collected in this survey. Detrimental effects of these medications were reported and were a huge topic in the comments .


In question # 10 of the Vaping Truth Survey, it was asked
“What other methods did you try to stop smoking before you stopped with vaping”.

Dangers, side effects, issues with these approved prescription drugs mixing with others are just a few of the reasons they cannot be used effectively as a way to stop smoking according to experience from others.

Searching on the results JUST where it was mentioned in the comments for Chantix & Zyban, here is what you said (no edits):



Chantix & Zyban



1. Chantix send me into depression.. Awful effect for me

2. The patch caused skin irritation and nughtmares. The gum caused digestive issues. Cold turkey worked for a short time because I was pregnant. And Chantix caused horrible nausea and nightmares.

3. Chantix was awful. It messed with how I felt and caused anxiety. Gum def didn’t work. Patch burned my skin, gave me super weird dreams. Vaping, has had no negative side effects.

4. SEVERELY allergic to Chantix Few times patch worked for a short time ONLY vaping has stopped and kept me stopped from smoking.

5. My mother has tried everything listed and this year suffered a DVT. She took both Zyban and Chantix. Zyban almost worked, and then she got sick from it. Chantix made her hallucinate, and have violent night terrors, having never had any of those symptoms ever before in her life. She’s still suffering some side effects a year plus after going off the Chantix. She quit smoking with vaping, going from a pack a day to zero, as suggested by her doctor, to save her life. Since quitting she’s gone off her high blood pressure medication and lost weight.

6. nothing works as well as vaping sorry chantix has too many horrible side effects
7. I didn’t try chantix because of the serious side effects

8. Chantix Makes you nuts. It should be taken off the market

9. Nothing worked. Chantix made me want to kill myself. I daydreamed about the ways I would do it. Pharmaceuticals are not the way to go.

10. none worked and Chantix had too many side effects
11. Chantix made me irritable and mean. Cold turkey I didn’t have enough self control for. The lozenges and gum did not help with the hand to mouth feel of smoking so it wasn’t good enough either.

12. You couldn’t get me to take Chantix or Zyban at any price.

13. Chantix (prescription) made me an absolute nut, patch and inhaler didn’t work for more than a month (I would go right back to it), and cold turkey didn’t work at all.

14. Chantix gave me extreme nightmares and very “weird” thoughts during the day….

15. I can’t take drugs like Chantix or Zyban, because I am on psychiatric medications which will be negatively affected by Chantix or Zyban.

16. These items are just plain crap…don’t work. Chantix drove me crazy, in a fog with Hypnosis, still smoked with the patch, lit a smoke after chewing the gum.

17. All hopeless -‘Champix” put me in hospital with bleeding from the bowel, patches wouldn’t stick even with tape wrapped around my arm over the patch, gums and books useless, cold turkey needs too much will power when you are an addict.

18. Tried Chantix but eventually went back to cigarettes

19. Neither medications like Chantix or patches/gums worked in my case. The withdrawal syndrome was too strong or they had some unexpected secondary effects.

20. Chantix kills…or helps you kill yourself at a very high cost $

21. I stopped short of Chantix as my brother used it to stop smoking and suicided within three months.

22. Am unable to take any prescribed pills like Chantix or Zyban, so tried the patch and gum but found myself wanting a cigarette at the same time.

23. Patch was not effective. I quit smocking 2 times for 1 years with champix (french version of chantix), but 2 times I get back to smock after ~1 year

24. I actually got the Chantix script from my doctor and got it filled but in the end, I was too terrified to take it, after researching it and reading about all the suicides, etc. It went down the toilet. Vaping is MUCH MUCH SAFER.

25. That last resort was Chantix and Zyban. It caused me to hallucinate. I gave the packets back to my doctor. As with patches, no effect except dizziness, rash on my skin, and I could even have one patch on each arm and smoke at the same time. I tired the Allan Carr method, his book is a con inmy opinion, it should be banned !

26. none worked, also Chantix, Zyban terrible side affects, all other did not work.

27. I have quit before successfully with chantix started again here and there with a smoking coworker or while fishing

28. Chantix/Champix gave me other, and far worse, problems than smoking. Severe depression is a bitch!

29. Chantix actually put me in a mental ward

30. I refused to try Chantix because my Brother in Law almost commited suicide while taking Chantix! Way too many side effects

31. My last attempt before rediscovering vaping was another trial with chantix along side of recovering from larengeal surgery because of a cancer scare. I lasted about one month. I would sa I have been desperate to quit for the last 15 years, but none of those options made it possible for me until I picked up my e-cig.

32. People have killed themselves while on Chantix. It made my mental state worse, giving terrible dreams & thoughts. Patches made my arm or wherever placed ache & hurt badly. Gum is gross & just doesn’t even do anything for me

33. None of them worked like vaping did. Especially not having to deal with side effects that Chantix gave me.

34. Chantix is evil

35. After one week on chantix I got depressed and was told by the doctor to stop using it as people have committed suicide on it. Other nrt either tasted horrible or made me itch or hurt my throat. After having acupuncture I left the building and had a fag. Self help books didnt teach me anything i didn’t already know. telling smokers that they will die won’t help anybody.

36. Chantix can help, it’s the best method after vaping

37. They lied about Chantix. I will not recommend this product to anyone.

38. Chantix helped me to quit for two years. Bad idea – while taking chantix i got palpitations, vertigo feelings and blurred vision. Terrible stuff.

39. Chantix is quite literally a nightmare.

40. Chantix/Champix made me want to finish myself..

41. patch gave me skin issues and bad dreams, cold turkey works as long as you don’t get stressed out and use the stress as an excuse to start smoking again.. and the chantix made me want to cut my own throat and, scary nightmares.

42. More scared of another round of Chantix (Champix) than dying of cigarettes!

43. I believe that both Zyban and Chantix ( Champix) should be banned because of heir side effects.

44. I am allergic to corn and have celiac as well as panic disorder. NO doctor would ever even think of giving me Chantix. NO doctor wanted me to quit smoking either. It was horrific on my pain levels and threw me into a depression. I am also allergic to adhesive so no patches. No gum or anything because of the corn. Cold turkey would have killed me.

45. Chantix made me crazy and un-well!

46. chantix zyban was a project from my previous workprovider (FORD), miserably failed. Cold turkey, i dont got a backbone for that. Patch and gums just dont do it for me at all.

47. I used champix and I regret using it. I have had stomach problems ever since. I think it did something to either the lining of my stomach or changed the chemical balance somehow? I quit on it, but it made me so very sick using it. As soon as I was off the “drug” I went back to smoking within days both times.

48. Chantix had side effects and once I went off the med the desire to smoke came right back.

49. The patch resulted in a 5 week cessation, with cravings remaining. Cold turkey lasted only hours. I wanted to try Chantix or Zyban, but I have epilepsy and so both drugs are contraindicated.

50. I tried chantix twice

51. The patch irritated my skin. Nic gum tastes like crap. Tried Chantix and it gave me nightmares. Vaping is the only thing that worked for me.

52. doctor would not give me chantix because of my health problems
53. hypnosis wasn’t available in my backwoods town. I did have lazer therapy as well but it lasted less than a week. Chantix made me have really dark thoughts so I had to get off of it.

54. Alan Carr helped for a while, and another book. Patches were irritating to my skin and didn’t work. I find chewing gum in public as offensive as some people find smoking! Even the packaging of Chantix warns that it could turn me into a ticking bomb, and I thought it would be irresponsible of me to take it.

55. I just can’t quit cold turkey. (I actually enjoy smoking). The patch makes me go numb and tingly where it’s applied, i.e.: on my arm, my arm will go numb and tingly. I can’t chew gum and the inhaler made me vomit. Accupunture worked for about a week (I think it was a placebo effect) and self help books haven’t helped. Drugs are not an option for me. I have suicidal thoughts on Zyban and on Chantix I was vomitting serverly. Having an eating disorder I can’t stay on Chantix. I lost over 8lbs in the week I was on it. Very dangerous for me.

56. Chantix was the absolute worst thing I ever did the night mares were horrible I felt awful from it. I did try everything first!

57. Chantix made me sick.

58. None of them work! Cold Turkey worked for a day max. Self help books seem superficial. Chantix made me all kinds of crazy and depressed. The gum is actually not bad but very expensive and not very safe. The patch did nothing for me other than make me more addicted because I would crave the nicotine and put on a patch but still needed that oral fixation and ended up smoking sometimes.

59. suicidal on Chantix

60. You name it I tried it. I wasn’t allowed to try Chantix or Zyban though because I am bi-polar and it would have interfered with my medication.

61. Chantix drove me nuts…can’t believe the FDA approved that one. Hypnosis made me feel like everything was in slow motion. Patches and gum did nothing for the cravings.

62. I tried everything I was able to when my husband was alive because he was a non-smoker and hated me smoking. The longest period I was able to remain smoke-free was cold-turkey (5 days). I could not use gum or lozenges after a while due to side-effects and my doctor refused to prescribe Chantix or Zyban as he sees them as too dangerous. Eventually I gave up giving up as I always failed and I enjoyed smoking.

63. I tried all these and not one even came close to me putting down my cigarettes I was just adding more nicotine to my habit because I still smoked while using them. Chantix/Zyban are really scary they can make you feel agitated and depressed

64. The patch and gum made me feel ill. Cold turkey made me so irritable, family was begging for me to smoke to calm down. Chantix gave me horrible nightmares, depression and generally felt like crap.

65. I was trying…my doc would not prescribe Chantix

66. Chantix almost killed me .Yet it’s still on the market after 700 deaths.

67. My doctor suggested Chantix a few years ago, but he should have known better because I’m bipolar and schizophrenic. Had I taken Chantix, it would have worked: I WOULD BE DEAD. Attempts to quit cold turkey were viciously repetitive failures. Vaping was the only thing that worked, and with immediate success. It was my miracle, my second chance at life.

68. Tried Chantix twice, gum twice, Zyban twice, patch once and cold turkey once over the course of about 15 years.

69. None of these methods worked. Patches and smoking don’t mix. I was taken off Chantix after three days; by my doctor, because of homicidal thoughts. He was freaked.

70. Zyban caused me to have a nervous breakdown and miss 6 months of work

71. Lozenges actually DID work; I did not smoke while I was using them. But my lozenge habit got more expensive than my cigarette habit! (and that’s expensive!) and even with the lozenges, I eventually went back to smoking. The Zyban worked as long as I kept taking it. But who wants to be on pills for the rest of their life? (and have to go to the doctor every month for a refill scrip?)

72. Only Zyban workt, when i stopt after 3 months i went back smoking!

73. Did successfully stop using Zyban, but started socially smoking amazing after about 3 years of non smoking. This did lead to starting smoking again after about 3-4 months of smoking only one evening a week.

74. Zyban left me like a vegetable – ready to commit suicide. My GP hasn’t prescribed the drug, after he saw what Zyban did to me and my mental health.

75. Zyban was very effective, but I became too nervous…said my wife. It holded 20 mounths without smoking.



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In question # 10 of the Vaping Truth Survey, it was asked
“What other methods did you try to stop smoking before you stopped with vaping”.

Dangers, side effects, issues with these approved prescription drugs mixing with others are just a few of the reasons as to why they cannot be used effectively as a way to stop smoking.

I’ll let you see why. Searching on the results JUST where it was mentioned in the comments for Chantix & Zyban, here is what you said (no edits) :



1. Chantix send me into depression.. Awful effect for me

2. The patch caused skin irritation and nughtmares. The gum caused digestive issues. Cold turkey worked for a short time because I was pregnant. And Chantix caused horrible nausea and nightmares.

3. Chantix was awful. It messed with how I felt and caused anxiety. Gum def didn’t work. Patch burned my skin, gave me super weird dreams. Vaping, has had no negative side effects.

4. SEVERELY allergic to Chantix Few times patch worked for a short time ONLY vaping has stopped and kept me stopped from smoking.

5. My mother has tried everything listed and this year suffered a DVT. She took both Zyban and Chantix. Zyban almost worked, and then she got sick from it. Chantix made her hallucinate, and have violent night terrors, having never had any of those symptoms ever before in her life. She’s still suffering some side effects a year plus after going off the Chantix. She quit smoking with vaping, going from a pack a day to zero, as suggested by her doctor, to save her life. Since quitting she’s gone off her high blood pressure medication and lost weight.

6. nothing works as well as vaping sorry chantix has too many horrible side effects
7. I didn’t try chantix because of the serious side effects

8. Chantix Makes you nuts. It should be taken off the market

9. Nothing worked. Chantix made me want to kill myself. I daydreamed about the ways I would do it. Pharmaceuticals are not the way to go.

10. none worked and Chantix had too many side effects
11. Chantix made me irritable and mean. Cold turkey I didn’t have enough self control for. The lozenges and gum did not help with the hand to mouth feel of smoking so it wasn’t good enough either.

12. You couldn’t get me to take Chantix or Zyban at any price.

13. Chantix (prescription) made me an absolute nut, patch and inhaler didn’t work for more than a month (I would go right back to it), and cold turkey didn’t work at all.

14. Chantix gave me extreme nightmares and very “weird” thoughts during the day….

15. I can’t take drugs like Chantix or Zyban, because I am on psychiatric medications which will be negatively affected by Chantix or Zyban.

16. These items are just plain crap…don’t work. Chantix drove me crazy, in a fog with Hypnosis, still smoked with the patch, lit a smoke after chewing the gum.

17. All hopeless -‘Champix” put me in hospital with bleeding from the bowel, patches wouldn’t stick even with tape wrapped around my arm over the patch, gums and books useless, cold turkey needs too much will power when you are an addict.

18. Tried Chantix but eventually went back to cigarettes

19. Neither medications like Chantix or patches/gums worked in my case. The withdrawal syndrome was too strong or they had some unexpected secondary effects.

20. Chantix kills…or helps you kill yourself at a very high cost $

21. I stopped short of Chantix as my brother used it to stop smoking and suicided within three months.

22. Am unable to take any prescribed pills like Chantix or Zyban, so tried the patch and gum but found myself wanting a cigarette at the same time.

23. Patch was not effective. I quit smocking 2 times for 1 years with champix (french version of chantix), but 2 times I get back to smock after ~1 year

24. I actually got the Chantix script from my doctor and got it filled but in the end, I was too terrified to take it, after researching it and reading about all the suicides, etc. It went down the toilet. Vaping is MUCH MUCH SAFER.

25. That last resort was Chantix and Zyban. It caused me to hallucinate. I gave the packets back to my doctor. As with patches, no effect except dizziness, rash on my skin, and I could even have one patch on each arm and smoke at the same time. I tired the Allan Carr method, his book is a con inmy opinion, it should be banned !

26. none worked, also Chantix, Zyban terrible side affects, all other did not work.

27. I have quit before successfully with chantix started again here and there with a smoking coworker or while fishing

28. Chantix/Champix gave me other, and far worse, problems than smoking. Severe depression is a bitch!

29. Chantix actually put me in a mental ward

30. I refused to try Chantix because my Brother in Law almost commited suicide while taking Chantix! Way too many side effects

31. My last attempt before rediscovering vaping was another trial with chantix along side of recovering from larengeal surgery because of a cancer scare. I lasted about one month. I would sa I have been desperate to quit for the last 15 years, but none of those options made it possible for me until I picked up my e-cig.

32. People have killed themselves while on Chantix. It made my mental state worse, giving terrible dreams & thoughts. Patches made my arm or wherever placed ache & hurt badly. Gum is gross & just doesn’t even do anything for me

33. None of them worked like vaping did. Especially not having to deal with side effects that Chantix gave me.

34. Chantix is evil

35. After one week on chantix I got depressed and was told by the doctor to stop using it as people have committed suicide on it. Other nrt either tasted horrible or made me itch or hurt my throat. After having acupuncture I left the building and had a fag. Self help books didnt teach me anything i didn’t already know. telling smokers that they will die won’t help anybody.

36. Chantix can help, it’s the best method after vaping

37. They lied about Chantix. I will not recommend this product to anyone.

38. Chantix helped me to quit for two years. Bad idea – while taking chantix i got palpitations, vertigo feelings and blurred vision. Terrible stuff.

39. Chantix is quite literally a nightmare.

40. Chantix/Champix made me want to finish myself..

41. patch gave me skin issues and bad dreams, cold turkey works as long as you don’t get stressed out and use the stress as an excuse to start smoking again.. and the chantix made me want to cut my own throat and, scary nightmares.

42. More scared of another round of Chantix (Champix) than dying of cigarettes!

43. I believe that both Zyban and Chantix ( Champix) should be banned because of heir side effects.

44. I am allergic to corn and have celiac as well as panic disorder. NO doctor would ever even think of giving me Chantix. NO doctor wanted me to quit smoking either. It was horrific on my pain levels and threw me into a depression. I am also allergic to adhesive so no patches. No gum or anything because of the corn. Cold turkey would have killed me.

45. Chantix made me crazy and un-well!

46. chantix zyban was a project from my previous workprovider (FORD), miserably failed. Cold turkey, i dont got a backbone for that. Patch and gums just dont do it for me at all.

47. I used champix and I regret using it. I have had stomach problems ever since. I think it did something to either the lining of my stomach or changed the chemical balance somehow? I quit on it, but it made me so very sick using it. As soon as I was off the “drug” I went back to smoking within days both times.

48. Chantix had side effects and once I went off the med the desire to smoke came right back.

49. The patch resulted in a 5 week cessation, with cravings remaining. Cold turkey lasted only hours. I wanted to try Chantix or Zyban, but I have epilepsy and so both drugs are contraindicated.

50. I tried chantix twice

51. The patch irritated my skin. Nic gum tastes like crap. Tried Chantix and it gave me nightmares. Vaping is the only thing that worked for me.

52. doctor would not give me chantix because of my health problems
53. hypnosis wasn’t available in my backwoods town. I did have lazer therapy as well but it lasted less than a week. Chantix made me have really dark thoughts so I had to get off of it.

54. Alan Carr helped for a while, and another book. Patches were irritating to my skin and didn’t work. I find chewing gum in public as offensive as some people find smoking! Even the packaging of Chantix warns that it could turn me into a ticking bomb, and I thought it would be irresponsible of me to take it.

55. I just can’t quit cold turkey. (I actually enjoy smoking). The patch makes me go numb and tingly where it’s applied, i.e.: on my arm, my arm will go numb and tingly. I can’t chew gum and the inhaler made me vomit. Accupunture worked for about a week (I think it was a placebo effect) and self help books haven’t helped. Drugs are not an option for me. I have suicidal thoughts on Zyban and on Chantix I was vomitting serverly. Having an eating disorder I can’t stay on Chantix. I lost over 8lbs in the week I was on it. Very dangerous for me.

56. Chantix was the absolute worst thing I ever did the night mares were horrible I felt awful from it. I did try everything first!

57. Chantix made me sick.

58. None of them work! Cold Turkey worked for a day max. Self help books seem superficial. Chantix made me all kinds of crazy and depressed. The gum is actually not bad but very expensive and not very safe. The patch did nothing for me other than make me more addicted because I would crave the nicotine and put on a patch but still needed that oral fixation and ended up smoking sometimes.

59. suicidal on Chantix

60. You name it I tried it. I wasn’t allowed to try Chantix or Zyban though because I am bi-polar and it would have interfered with my medication.

61. Chantix drove me nuts…can’t believe the FDA approved that one. Hypnosis made me feel like everything was in slow motion. Patches and gum did nothing for the cravings.
62. I tried everything I was able to when my husband was alive because he was a non-smoker and hated me smoking. The longest period I was able to remain smoke-free was cold-turkey (5 days). I could not use gum or lozenges after a while due to side-effects and my doctor refused to prescribe Chantix or Zyban as he sees them as too dangerous. Eventually I gave up giving up as I always failed and I enjoyed smoking.

63. I tried all these and not one even came close to me putting down my cigarettes I was just adding more nicotine to my habit because I still smoked while using them. Chantix/Zyban are really scary they can make you feel agitated and depressed

64. The patch and gum made me feel ill. Cold turkey made me so irritable, family was begging for me to smoke to calm down. Chantix gave me horrible nightmares, depression and generally felt like crap.

65. I was trying…my doc would not prescribe Chantix

66. Chantix almost killed me .Yet it’s still on the market after 700 deaths.

67. My doctor suggested Chantix a few years ago, but he should have known better because I’m bipolar and schizophrenic. Had I taken Chantix, it would have worked: I WOULD BE DEAD. Attempts to quit cold turkey were viciously repetitive failures. Vaping was the only thing that worked, and with immediate success. It was my miracle, my second chance at life.

68. Tried Chantix twice, gum twice, Zyban twice, patch once and cold turkey once over the course of about 15 years.

69. None of these methods worked. Patches and smoking don’t mix. I was taken off Chantix after three days; by my doctor, because of homicidal thoughts. He was freaked.

70. Zyban caused me to have a nervous breakdown and miss 6 months of work

71. Lozenges actually DID work; I did not smoke while I was using them. But my lozenge habit got more expensive than my cigarette habit! (and that’s expensive!) and even with the lozenges, I eventually went back to smoking. The Zyban worked as long as I kept taking it. But who wants to be on pills for the rest of their life? (and have to go to the doctor every month for a refill scrip?)

72. Only Zyban workt, when i stopt after 3 months i went back smoking!

73. Did successfully stop using Zyban, but started socially smoking amazing after about 3 years of non smoking. This did lead to starting smoking again after about 3-4 months of smoking only one evening a week.

74. Zyban left me like a vegetable – ready to commit suicide. My GP hasn’t prescribed the drug, after he saw what Zyban did to me and my mental health.

75. Zyban was very effective, but I became too nervous…said my wife. It holded 20 mounths without smoking.



For in-depth E-cigarette research, studies & papers:
E-Cigarette Research


For Professionals:
Medical Organizations supporting Vaping and Electronic cigarettes:
M.O.V.E.


For more information from this survey:
Please visit the Vaping Truth Survey Final Analysis


E-cigarettes, vaping and public health
A summary for policy-makers by Clive Bates: vapebriefing


Vaping The Truth By Kellie Forbes BScN RN, Member of the above mentioned organization  M.O.V.E.

has prepared an IN DEPTH look at tobacco harm reduction.

Vaping-the-truth-USA


Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Vaping works, People stop smoking. Isn’t that what they want?

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They claim there’s not enough research. They are wrong.

If you are in doubt please see E-cigarette Research Here

and here!


If you are a medical professional and understand this is obviously better than smoking, you can be among now hundreds of other scientists, researchers & health/medical professionals: Please join M.O.V.E.


Below are just a few comments (unedited, and truly worldwide) from the infamous “Bonus troll/question comment”

from The Vaping Truth Survey Final Analysis

I put this question in the survey hoping for comments. Comments were astounding!

I said from the beginning we have a voice.

Here are a just a few of your voices:


• Vaping works if you want it to work. I still crave a cigarette every now again, but I’m more likely to pick up my e-cig to satisfy that craving than I am to smoke a cigarette because I like that I feel better and I enjoy the taste of my e liquids far more than burning tobacco. I crave cigarettes, but I no longer WANT cigarettes.

• if I would have known it would be this easy I would have did this a long time ago!

• Vaping is great way to quit smoking.. regulations are fine but don’t tax it like tobacco because it’s not tobacco.. don’t make it had for small businesses to compete..

• truth

• Once I get down to 0mg of nicotine I may quit vaping as well or only keep it around when I feel an urge to smoke.

• Because vaping is amazing and I feel 1million times better I will never ever ever again give my hard earned money to big tobacco. Almost 4 months smoke free #improof

• I do still have cravings, but can vape it out.

• Vaping works for me 100%
I did not even wanted to stop smoking, after vaping i stopped direct. I even smoked a few real sigarettes, witch i hated.
Also it was really easy to lower the nicotine, and the addiction now is another level. It is okay not to vape for hours, when i smoked i really needed e new one after about 15 min.

• vaping is different, as when i was smoking, i had to have a cigarette every hour or so, but with vaping, i can go a whole day with out even craving a hit.

• Vaping is ok for smokers, not so ok for non-smokers

• because its true

• Thank God PVs were invented!

• Because it is a marvellous product that has potential to save millions of lives.

• I have tried quitting over 20 times before vaping. I strongly believe i never would have quit if i did not find out about vaping. Now i can go days without vaping.

• VAPING WORKS.

• It works for some extent for me, just need to find the willpower to quit all the cigarettes rather than just cutting down. For less nicotine dependant smokers switching to vaping completely would be relatively easy I think.

• 6 months in and I have not touched a cigarette. I have reduced my nicotine from 24-18-12 and I also can vape 10 happily too. The one thing that has always drawn me back to smoking is that I enjoy it and the act of smoking. Vaping has enabled me to keep the act and enhance my enjoyment as I stopped the coughing up of horrible stuff so feel no guilt on my health. I am in no rush to reduce nicotine but it has reduced naturally by taste, I am happy with where I am at and that is thanks to vaping.

• It worked for me.

• Need I say more.

• Worked for me!

• No desire to ever smoke a cigarette again, one day I would like to be off of nicotine, but there is no need to rush that.

• Vaping works. All governments, lobbies and haters, LEAVE US ALONE!

• Keep vaping

• Vaper for life!

• Even my wife is happy because of my not smoking anymore

• I haven’t yet thought of any reason to go back to smoking, nor any reason to look for a reason.

• For 20+ years I was a smoker (20 cigarettes a day). I don’t miss a thing since I vape!

• Why would anyone smoke again with this alternative?

• I still get a twinge to smoke every once in a while…but a quick toot and it passes…

• i dont even think of smoking now that i vape. also i have tried a cigarette once 3 monthas after i started to see if i would like it and i hated it even more!.

• I think vaping can work for many, but it still requires some will power.

• This gives me the nicotine I crave and has now become readily available

• I wont even.vape.tobacco. flavours. if vaping stays as is ill continue to wean my nic level. if were restricted to mint – hate it, tobacco – hate it, no flavour- wont satisfy I.dread wanting to smoke again so.I really hope we can.continue as.we do now with only essential saftey intervention. Not trumped up fairy tales& ifs and maybes..real vapers= real study results

• Vaping is saving my life!

• I picked up vaping as I missed the sensation of smoking. I wasn’t a smoker at the time I started but it appealed to me.
I like the fact that you can have a vape of any flavour you like, when you like. I also have a technical mind and rta etc really appeal to me.

• I just enjoy vaping even though I wasn’t a tobacco smoker.

• I know it works,I have no craving to eat ALL the time and can sleep normally.

• Vaping seems to have cured my idiocy! I feel smarter! I have my eyes wide open now about how corrupt my government and all the health agencies are, and I will never let them force me back to the death sentence tobacco is no matter what they say.

• It’s all about the individual. Many factors such as circumstances and resources will determine whether a person will combat an addiction. Since there is a current alternative available to smoking that is appealing, with a high success rate, I believe vaping works. I also think many people will use vaping temporarily and quit using nicotine completely

• I almost chose ‘I will never smoke again because of vaping’, but it feels too strong even now, when the hard part is done. I sincerely hope for the better in this manner.

• It worked

• I started smoking full on at the age of 12 when 10 No10 were 9p and I got 10p a day for bus fare to school.. For many years I tried to quit smoking but failed. I tried patches and gum on several occasions but I continued to smoke while using them. Then on 1st November 2013 I bought an ecig starter kit. I smoked my last stinky that evening the following morning I filled the carto with 24mg tobacco flavour e liquid and I have not looked back since…. 🙂

• The answer is in the question

• How many chemicals are in eliquid as compared to traditional tobacco cigarettes? That alone should get people to think about what they are doing.

• I quit cigarettes by using a vape! nuff said!

• I quit fags and a 30 year weed habit because of vaping.

• I never had any intention of stopping smoking. The only reason I vape is because I enjoy it more than smoking.

• The cig like vape i got didnt stop me wanting and having a cig but i now got a battery mod and tank (itaste v4 + nautilus mini) and its going much better

• Im adapting to it and one way to certainly make it work is to remind myself how selfish & low my government is to TAX money so they can shoved that up to their big fat rear. I for One, do and will not trade my life for money.

• The last cigarette I smoked made me know it: I’m never smoking again, that sh** is disgusting.

• I have seen it work for alot of people.

• Because vaping does work. It worked for me.



I assume if you’ve read these and still don’t believe vaping works or you’d like to explain that there are more dangers – so much that those dangers outweigh someone continuing to smoke, please, feel free to leave your comment, title and link to scientific proof – scientific proof that you’re working on or have completed.

Otherwise, if you’re a health professional, an expert or you’ve got a fancy title and think you need to elevate your ratings in the world you live in, shut up, stop spreading lies. Start quickly admitting you were wrong, please be proactive in the fact that vaping, compared to smoking, is safe. It gets people to stop smoking effectively! Isn’t that what you WANT? We’re going to ask you why you were so against it in the first place if we haven’t already. Are you one of the “experts” that would rather people smoke?

Keep On #Vaping On.

Vaping Health Benefits. Who’s hiding the truth?

How can what is beneficial about vaping be hiding in plain sight from almost every media report?

They must have an agenda.

What the media and studies from science doesn’t tell you about vaping, we will.

Vapers have a voice.scientist

Below are 100 unedited answers just as they came in  (from around the world, language & spelling are unimportant).

from participants to question number 7 from The Vaping Truth Survey. I copied/pasted just one page:

Health benefits you’ve noticed since vaping?

These are just one hundred voices as they answered them.

If you believe these are anecdotal, please refer  Beneficial Bias before proceeding.

Health benefits you’ve noticed since vaping?



• I personally feel much better, More energy and just better in general,


• Skin better. Smell less. Sense of smell and taste improved. Don’t honestly know if am listed as a non smoker on my medical chart


• asthma only bothers me now if I have a cold of flu, otherwise I rarely use my inhaler.


• Beter taste, smell again!


• Because I was on steroids and antibiotics 2 or 3 times a year plus emergency admissions for pulmonary infections which exacerbated asthma and needed oxygen. No longer prescribed seretide and use 2 puffs of atrovent before bed which I am not sure I need really.


• My overall body wellness has significantly improved. Teeth are becoming white again. My face has a healthy pink color.


• Sadly I can’t say I feel better


• My COPD symptoms are greatly reduced – I can now climb stairs, walk for miles and do all sorts of things I haven’t been able to do for years.


• I just physically feel better, have more breath, don’t get winded as easily. When I was a smoker, I would have a cough almost all fall/winter, but now I don’t, and I love it!


• + No more smell, phlegm in the morning, etc


• Year before i went to the vaping, i was in the army. On army i had every morning 30 minutes of coughing and puking because of the cigs. Now my mornings are nothing like that.


• Yes, but they are minor because in other ways I’m still living the lifestyle of a smoker so I don’t exercise as much as I should.


• Hair seems to grow faster, same with nails


• Massive improvement in health – beyond anything l could have ever dreamt of when l was smoking. For me this is the most important thing and the overwhelming reason for trying e-cigs. I have ‘before and after’ medical records which confirm the improvement so it’s not imaginary


• My taste is back, I dont cough in the mornings, no more phloem and my sense of smell as improved slightly.


• Still coughing after 8 months vaping


• Breathing without wheezing, not coughing up phlegm in the morning, less breathless when brisk walking


• No more coughing. Cycle much easier.


I wanted an alternative to anti-depressants and reading the latest data on nicotine in that area made me think it was worth a try.


• I bike commute, i don’t own a car as well as run. I can tell you without a doubt that my breathing and endurance have benefited


• I was having massive spikes of pain in my chest and lungs before I picked up vaping, and they have gone away, with an increase in lung capacity.


• I used to have trouble walking up multiple flights of stairs, or running long distances. I’d also wake up in the morning any my chest felt too tight to take a full breath. Now all of those are symptoms are significantly better; and best of all my lungs feel twice the size.


• I had a nasty smokers cough, that has now gone.


• I do a lot of mountain walking and have a physical job. Since starting vaping my endurance levels are much higher.


• I even started doing 3 mile runs and joined a gym for the first time in ages since I can finally breathe again.


• Sore throat


When the liquid gets into my mouth that’s all i taste. it burns my lips. apparently this is common.its called over vaping?


• I have copd with out vaping I would have started smoking again I was on the verge .


• I can taste food again!


• i had chronic bronchitis. it’s gone.


• My health has vastly improved since I made the switch to vaping. I can breathe better, I no longer have a constant cough, and I don’t wheeze while working or at the gym. Also, my blood pressure has gone back to an even, normal level, and the circulation in my hands and feet has greatly improved.


• Health issues were short term and involved the usual side effects of quitting smoking. Aside from the cravings, the side effects of quitting smoking are one of the barriers I was never able to overcome. Plus, I gained a little weight as my senses of taste and smell returned.


• I know longer have smokers cough which used to affect me badly especially in the mornings. I used to cough to the point or retching every morning when I smoked.


• My chest does not feel tight when I wake up in the mornings


Breath better was the first thing I noticed. With that came more energy. Then I started noticing my sense of smell had improved. Most notably from smelling smokers for the first time and thinking “I used to stink like that?”


• can now expand lungs to the full, which couldn’t do with smoking. don’t smell of smoke: clothes and at home. breath is better, generally feel healthier.


• I can run much further, faster, and longer, since switching to e-cigs


I will put this in my own words. I am feeling better . I can breath better when going up stairs or running. I am sleeping better and I am not getting sick with colds. I dont have headache like I use too.


• My health has suffered through ageing, I truly believe I would be less healthy had I not stopped smoking.


• I was a healthy smoker


• I am not winded anymore..can run up stairs without feeling ill. I missed my sinisitis/bronchitis infection this year (which lead to pneumonia now) I no longer have a constant wheeze in my chest for it is gone. I don’t wake up choking on phlegm.

I feel healthy.


• Stress is more in control along with my anxiety.


• true


Colds don’t last as long or affect my respiratory system as much as when I smoked. I’ve always had blood pressure on the lower side, so I can’t say anything changed there.


I feel like a new person now thanks to vaping, Still get my nicotine but with none of the death.


• I no longer cough and my gums are in better shape.


• Keep in mind, I am dual user, but as I smoke moderately, I do notice better health which I attribute to my strong preference for vaping.


• Things I haven’t been able to enjoy for a number of years, like hiking in the Rocky Mountains are a breeze for me now. I don’t get winded anymore….so obviously the stair in my house are no longer an issue! My home doesn’t sound like a tuberculosis ward in the morning anymore either. No more phlem choking me to the point of vomitting either. I can taste my food now and my nose does its job way better now too!


• Sleep better and happier mood too. Smoker’s cough disappeared after a week. Do stairs without a rest stop half way. More energy to do chores.


• i was on 2 inhalers up to 6 times a day with copd,i now only need 1 inhaler 2 or 3 times a week


• I would not have stayed with vaping if my health did not improve. I stopped wheezing, I have more energy, I stopped snoring (my wife told me this), my overall health is better, less colds and flu.


The only ill effects I’ve noticed from vaping are occasional sore/scratchy throat (diminished greatly since switching to VG-dominant ratio), dehydration and headaches associated with dehydration.


• I feel sharper in my thoughts and i feel that there is more jump in my step.


• I feel cleaner and more energetic.


• Feel so much better, plus my teeth and cloths stay clean.


I feel 1 billion times better than I did when I was smoking cigs. I can take big deep breaths without pain, something I could not do while smoking cigs. I no longer have the chronic cough I used to have. I haven’t had chronic Bronchitis since I started vaping and my yearly sinus issues have diminished greatly and my doctor attributes these changes to my swapping smoking for vaping.


• Play baseball and not dying running the bases able to hike and travel difficult wood paths


• Because I’ve noticed health benefits from vaping. Breathing is easier, blood pressure is down, and my doctor says I’m much better.


• I used to get at least one (or more) respiratory infections, every year. I’ve had one (two years ago) in the last 3 years.


• Walk a dog daily and I’ve noticed the significant improvement in cardiovascular ability.


Don’t get winded walking up steps to 3rd floor apartment like I used to.


• I started exercising regularly at the time I quit smoking, so it is hard to say what benefits came from stopping smoking.


• I even sleep better nowadays because of vaping.


Wheezing in bed has gone completely.


• I didn’t have many health issues to begin with, but I had noticed I’d begun to wheeze some and have some shortness of breath. I no longer have these issues.


• my taste buds are better now


PG caused tonsil stones from topical dehydration. ENT diagnosed and in treatment.


• When I still smoked I often woke up during the night because my throat was full of disgusting slime. I was also sick quite

often, but now I haven’t even had the flu for a long time.


I was listed as a former smoker, I had quite several times and it coincided with my appointment with my PCP. Most of the benefits I have noticed myself.


• I am an asthmatic and have mild COPD from cigarettes. Even though I’m still both of those things and they will probably never go away entirely, I’m not nearly as bad as when I was on cigarettes.

Vaping doesn’t affect them.


• I do breathe better now, though there is still a long way to go. I’m not as stressed out or pissed off anymore, so it’s made me more relaxed that’s for sure. Plus, no fixation on having to smoke on breaks at work, I don’t even had a want to smoke.


• I haven’t been to the doctor for a checkup since I started vaping 3 months ago, but I have noticed that the skin on the fingers that used to hold cigarettes is healing.


• Because it’s true.


I’m less often sick (flu, etc.), I recover more quickly, I didn’t gain weight. Maybe I breathe better but I don’t know.


• Nothing much to elaborate on. I said most of it in my previous answers.


• Every morning upon waking up, I noticed that if I took a deep breath and filled my lungs with air my chest would hurt. After a while I noticed this has gone and filling my lungs has become easier!


• Not necessarily a health benefit, but I and my breath smell much better.


• I can taste and smell a lot better (like a non-smoker). I can do sports far better. I do not have headaches anymore (which I had from smoking). Over all feel better and healthier.


• I don’t cough anymore. My coughing used to keep me awake at night when I smoked. Now, when I feel a cold or other virus coming on, it seems like I can fight it off in a day or two. I blieve the nicotine or pg is killing the viruses.


• I can run, walk long distances, without becoming out of breath. Hold my breath longer, no longer waking up coughing.


• I can’t believe the difference in how I feel it’s wonderful.


• I’ve always had blood pressure in the low/normal range. Even after using 2 packs a day I hadn’t developed COPD. My old doctor has retired and my current one hasn’t known me long enough to comment. Having said that, when I ran into my old doctor he was absolutely ecstatic that I had quit smoking and had no issues with my vaping.


• Pretty much every aspect of my health has improved. I have not seen a doctor since quitting smoking. Just FYI, not boasting.


Better stamina, lung function measurably better, fewer respiratory infections/inflammations, better immunity to colds/flu.


• Have not been clinically checked, would say the lack of tobacco smell is important


• Why do you have these little red asterisks next to each question as if to indicate footnote, additional info or disclaimer yet they provide nothing?


• I didnt have health issues when I started vaping


• Because it’s the answer that applies best.


• I just started vaping, so I’m weening myself off analogs


• I have feel better and breathe better


After 3 years off cigarettes, you should see my lung x-rays. It almost looks like I never even smoked a cigarette in my entire life! Doctor says my lungs should be back to a “non-smokers” status within the next year =)


Both of my doctors approved. My tests are all better and I feel better.


I can taste flavors in food better and smell scents better


• just generally feel better in myself, more able to exert myself without getting breathless.


Fewer lung infections/illness in general reduced.


• this is after only one month


I never smoked, but I don’t feel anything negative while vaping. If anything, I’ve made more friends vaping and am happier because of those friends.


• A smoker spends the first 10-15 minutes of their morning coughing and blowing their nose. That stopped for me after 2 weeks of vaping.


• I am in decent shape but when I was smoking I had hypertension (age 23) now I do not have issues with my Blood Pressure.


• I had a persistent feeling of fluid in my lungs for 9 months. Two weeks after starting vaping it cleared up.


TRUE Medical PROFESSIONALS are already WELL on board with Vaping with an organization called M.O.V.E.: https://sciencecig.wordpress.com/move/

If you are one of those Professionals, and have any doubts, please contact anyone in that organization, they will be glad to help.

If you are media or government official and are responsible, you would contact the same members of that group. You can email me on this blog.

To you who doubt, research is there.

Don’t tell us there aren’t enough studies. Don’t tell us we need more time.


For Scientific Research on E-Cigarettes Click Here.

Medical Professionals know better and ARE here in support of e-cigarettes at M.O.V.E.


Here is Public Health England on E-cigarettes:

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There is something coming… it’s a documentary. A Billion Lives. I’m SURE the defendants above aren’t looking forward to this.

I am.

The fight isn’t over. It’s only just begun.

Here they are on Twitter:  https://twitter.com/ABillionLives

Facebook: https://twitter.com/ABillionLives

Their Website: http://ABillionLives.com/


Here, added for importance 12/13/15

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.


The  The Vaping Truth Survey Final Analysis and other proper links are on this blog.

You can’t keep hiding from facts. For you who do continue to make false claims, you’ve had plenty of time to show us proof.

We of all people would love to see it.

Until then, stop using your emotions to cover your lies. It’s as if you want us to go back to smoking and keep others from benefiting. I wonder why.

Vaping saves lives.

For you in government, your irresponsible bans/taxes/restrictions need to be stopped or rescinded.

For you in health, um, read it again.

For you in media, do some RESEARCH.

Keep it up…I’m coming after you.


 

You can sponsor the blog & website here if you like.

As always, more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Please, KEEP SMOKING! Plausible Deniability, an Incestuous Relationship.

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Please, keep smoking. We’re depending on you.

The U.S. Governments around the world.
Tobacco Companies
Health Care
Pharmaceutical Companies
Tobacco Control
Media

It’s quite a litany of diversion and scare tactics these divisions of doom are creating about vaping. They are in an all-out war on e-cigs. They OF COURSE all have your best interest at the core of their stories. Their claim is smoking and tobacco kills countless every year. Those listed above are not helping. They want their money back.

I’m here to tell you and every one of them, not only are they irresponsible, they are wrong, I am telling you they are creating lies, stories and untruthful statements. They are costing lives while they do it, and they’re getting away with it.

In the U.S.A., the false claims of e-cigs being dangerous has been slowly brewing over quite some time. This is not a new technology. It’s been around quite a while. It has evolved, but is by no means dangerous. To the contrary, it’s very safe despite the efforts of many alleged “educated” people claiming it isn’t, and quite frankly, I’m tired of them insulting the masses as if they have the right to do so.

After over 10+ years of availability, the “e-cig” has long outlasted the time it took to determine (& then ban) bath salts in the USA. The lies and rehashing of improper studies are reworded, rebranded and put back out, time and time again. If properly warranted, wouldn’t it have been acted on long ago by the whole world before 10 years? Wouldn’t you hope? You would hope. Why would they try it now?

They needed time. After all the time they’ve had? Now they claim it’s urgent. To who, and at what true cost?

The scheme is to try to regulate, ban, create hysteria and tax e-liquid like tobacco, without question. But how can they do it? Ten plus years of time, slowly boiling the frog, that’s how. Why? I’m sure you’ve heard the claims over and over and over. Think about those insidious claims! Consider what they’re saying! I was already smoking for 30 ++ years, did you people to go back to smoking?

Formaldehyde? Carcinogens? Toxins? Dangers? Those are already in cigarettes with the other four thousand plus chemicals. Why so many? Perplexed?

You thought it was about nicotine, right? Well… NO!
Here is a responsible link All about nicotine, and addiction.


Gateways? Think of the children? Please. Marijuana is and continues to be legalized in the USA. There’s big money in that. Revenue is the only goal. It’s not about safe. It’s not about children. It’s not about health. No one’s yelling about gateways anymore for pot anymore? Is that politically incorrect to do because money is more important than gateways to harder drugs from it?

They exclaim and extort partial and false statements as if they were true. Anyone and everyone with a title suddenly have an opinion. They hear a hastily performed, as wrongfully submitted study was done, release it and push it to the press without checking facts. You then can only assume it is true. They claim danger. They claim importance. They say they aren’t sure. They need more time. How more children have to lose a parent before common sense prevails? E-cigs saves lives. After TEN + years? Are they stupid? Are you? Bath salts were gone pretty fast.

Without question the message that should always be relayed is vaping is way safer than smoking. I am as bold as to say it is SAFE. I am as bold to say it can cure smoking. Wouldn’t that be the ultimate GOAL of anyone? Seems quite irresponsible with SO many people going to it despite the allegations, doesn’t it?

Well you’d think so. Wouldn’t their energy be much better directed at making it better if there “were” something wrong with it? Wouldn’t you think someone would say, HEY, this is WORKING! Let’s make it better!
No, there’s no money in that, they’d rather ban it. Tax it, regulate it and control it.

Obviously they want people to smoke. I find that IRRESPONSIBLE.

Here’s a crash course in “plausible deniability”:

“If a lie is repeated enough, they will believe it.”


The U.S. Government:

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Politicians and the states are completely responsible in the lies.
The Master Settlement Agreement income is going down because cigarette sales are dropping “like the last cigarette in a quitters hand”, to vaping. That falling tax revenue is essential to pay the mismanaged funds from the Master Settlement Agreement. A good 10 minute read in itself:  Here is how they MISMANAGED FUNDS. They want to tax this disruptive technology like tobacco yet politicians are already claiming they’ll exclude gums and patches.

The FDA, if it deems it is tobacco, will allow this to happen. It is not tobacco. Tobacco is a leaf. It burns. Politicians are passing or trying to pass legislation claiming “children” and to deter people from smoking. They are lying and they know it. If over the years, tax deterred people from smoking, wouldn’t you think all those funds from judgmental and emotionally driven “sin” taxes would have done some good by now?

If their claims keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.


Tobacco Companies:

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They want products sold at any cost. They are in favor of certain restrictions. If it doesn’t look like their product, it should be banned, restricted. They’ll take the tax like tobacco. If it hurts sales on their approved product, you’ll just go back to smoking. Welcome home. They win either way. What good have you ever heard about a tobacco company? I could go on forever. They profit either way. If their claims keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.



Health Care:

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Here’s where it gets interesting. Health CARE. Big names in Doctors are saying they don’t approve. Big TV names. Big network “in house” doctors. I’ll spare you the names for now, but I’ll keep you all fresh in my mind. They get flashy lights and ABUSE their prestige and proper titles to seem authoritative and convincing in their 2 minute piece on national television. They create very well-crafted mishandling and diversions to the truth under false pretenses.

Rarely do they show someone who does vape or actual truths, they always sensationalize the headline, fill in scary words, say there are not enough studies to make conclusions, and end it. You the viewer are led to believe what the beginning and ending are. It’s a great trick any magician has performed countless times.

The health care part of our story lies (pun intended) with the concern of “your” health. Every one of them with their degrees, and the oath they took at the beginning of their careers, say “dangers of e-cigs” or some form of that statement. When I’ve said that’s not true, it’s safer than smoking, don’t you agree? They say inevitably “they need more time, they need more studies”.

Well, if you claim dangers, then you say need more time and studies, you are baiting people into believing what you claim with crafty titles of “Doctor” or “Health Care Official” when you then claim you need more studies and more time. Make up your mind, you are supposed to be experts. Claims of second had “smoke” just like tobacco. It’s not smoke, it’s not tobacco.

Here are plenty of studies at http://www.ecigarette-research.org

Here are plenty of conducted studies, some refuting the claims you’ll be lying about over and over and over.

I also point to the fact continuously that Medical Professionals are already WELL on board with vaping and electronic cigarettes here at M.O.V.E. There ARE and their numbers continue to grow. Please join these intelligent and well respected professionals conterparts.

That said, if you stop smoking, and become healthier by doing so – and you will, then you certainly will be less “sick” and won’t need the professional services of doctors in health, now will you? I think not. I don’t think they like that. “Come back and $ee me in two weeks for a follow-up”.

In case you don’t know, drugs like Chantix – APPROVED by the F.D.A. are dangerous.

Health care doesn’t like e-cigs for the most part. If their claims keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.


Pharmaceutical Companies

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Pharmaceutical profits are going down very quickly. (products like gums, patches sales are down) because people are continuing to find that vaping works to stop smoking. How can all those mostly former smokers be wrong?

Like above, they want to sell product. If you won’t buy their patches, gums, sprays, drugs like Chantix or other items that just have never worked properly for most hard core smokers, they obviously don’t like falling revenue, and surely don’t want vaping to succeed either.

Sadly for them all above, it is succeeding. If you have less sick people because smoking is going away, you have less drugs to sell.. It is apparent to these above entities that vaping is taking away their money. I don’t think any of them like it. If their claims keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.


Tobacco Control / Anti-Tobacco

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While I applaud these efforts, I question the integrity.

 A “roadmap”. They want “graphic” labels on packaging. FDA regulation on all tobacco products. Citing Reduction of addictiveness of their products. Citing Increased taxes over time. Tobacco Control (Really, a predictive and pre-emptive need for increasing taxes on cigarettes?) Think that might be because lower sales would deem a need for increased taxes due to sales?)

The most recent item I saw was calling for a ban on vaping by a Tobacco Control Director in California. Not by a medical professional. No doctor. A director of a local tobacco control agency. I checked the LinkedIn site of this person. No medical or scientific degree listed. If I had one, I would certainly list it! What gives this person the right to claim any dangers?

Why would tobacco control want someone to stay away from vaping? Seems counter-productive to me. Traditional smoking cessation tools are not working and obviously higher taxes are not working, education isn’t working – if the education money to steer children and adults away from smoking worked, they wouldn’t have jobs by now. That’s the cold hard cash fact.

The claim of a gateway and using children to smoking from vaping is a fairy tale. Like Santa Claus. It is something with flavors to lure, they claim. Alcohol has flavors. One campaign in California said don’t eat batteries, they could be toxic. Scare tactics for the masses to cling to. I say proper parenting would stop any child from the dangers of anything from electrocution to smoking and that would include vaping.

Vaping sales have been well supported by the industry as an 18 and up deal LONG before anyone mentioned it. Responsible business owners and shops voluntarily follow this already.
That’s a non-issue, no more than age restrictions for any adult product. They still get them, and that blame, if they do, falls directly on the parents, not the taxpayer of the so called and very judgmental “sin-tax”. If their claims keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.


Media:

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Media, with all their power in print, online, and television, they are ultimately responsible for “professional” journalism, yet they’d rather play the hands that pay their bills.

There HAVE been retractions, but very few were loud enough to hear:

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Sensationalism. If their claims, stories and reports from others keep people smoking, it’s just plausible deniability.


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It’s a very incestuous relationship that Tobacco, Pharmaceutical companies, Politicians, Tobacco Control, Health Care, Organizations & the Media created whether directly or indirectly. Planned? I don’t know. Back room deals? Probably. Lobbying from every imaginable group incessantly with? Absolutely without a single doubt in my mind. Quite simply, it is taking away BILLIONS of dollars collectively from all involved above. It’s disrupting CASH FLOW to all of the above involved. That’s the ONLY thing wrong with vaping and they will disguise it any way they want to to get their cash flow back.

I applaud and commend Greg Conley, President of the American Vaping Association (AVA),calling this a disruptive technology.


States, tobacco companies & pharmaceutical companies are losing money. With health care, they are seeing the very idea that people, vaping, are going to be healthier. It’s a pre-emptive strike. That means politicians needed TIME to figure out how to make vaping a tobacco product without upsetting friends of theirs, like donors – tobacco, pharmaceuticals and more. Here’s my fun part. They claim studies, improperly performed, are showing “bad” things.

Well, dear reader, some were CROWD FUNDED BY VAPERS to reveal the truth.

httpvaperinaucanada.blogspot.ca201412dear-public-health-units-across-north.html

Remember ecigarette-research.org

and there ARE studies readily available here as well.


Being vehemently against what may be THE best tool to stop using tobacco EVER from all of the above involved with whatever means they take is irresponsible, unacceptable and will only lead to more smoking deaths.

I’ll let you ponder why. While you do, question every single story posted, every single story told. Ask vapers what they’ve experienced. I did. I called it the Vaping Truth Survey. Here are the results from people who DO vape. From how long they smoked, to benefits and things that are important for anyone to know when they choose to seek info about it. Responsibility from what should have been doctors and health officials long ago.

People who are doing it know better than anyone. They’ve experienced it. Here are over 7,000 worldwide results from people who do it. The Vaping Truth Survey Final Analysis


Politicians, with great ease are conniving and swaying public opinion, explaining with official sounding terms and media’s help, that it’s dangerous. “We need more time”. “We need more studies”. “We’re not sure”. “Think of the children”. Imagine, 10 years to get to the important moment to saying they’re bad, they should be taxed…to figuring out how to do it. Now they’re trying to do it. Just give it a little more time.

It is clear from any elementary level, that vaping is safer than smoking if you read the studies that others claim do not exist. Vaping quite simply, saves lives.

When it’s over I predict that each camp will claim plausible deniability to the fact that it takes someone from smoking, keeps them from smoking, and keeps all involved from revenue unless it is deemed & taxed like a tobacco product.

Here, the following link is responsibility to the world: Dr. Derek Yach has spoken out.

See what Dr Derek Yach, developer of the World Health Organisation’s Framework Convention on Tobacco Control, has to say.

“Smoking Kills, Nicotine Doesn’t”.

What if they’re claims are right? Well, then we who vape are waiting. We of all people WANT the truth. Think about it. We of all people want to be sure. We already have a few things going for us. We’re certainly going to be around longer. We aren’t going away.
The clear changes in our individual health, our ability to breathe with the ability to break free from smoking.

We also have our steadfast focus on pointing out each discrepancy released. Now they are claiming they don’t know “long term” effects. We do. We just have to be louder. Greg Gutfeld on Fox, you are invaluable to the truth, have taken on all of the above and I thank you from the bottom of my healthier vaping heart.

I will continue to call you out on your lies, I will question the integrity you pretend to have, I will question each and every professional title you may misuse, and I will question each and every sentence you speak ~ and encourage others to do the same. If you have PROOF, and it has been reviewed, I and every person vaping will listen to every word.


Until then, until you have clear and indisputable proof, SHUT your LYING mouths.

Vaping is SAFE. and you who claim differently ARE COSTING LIVES by deterring anyone from doing so.

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Here, added for importance 12/13/15

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.


 

Here, added 12/12/15 is a graphic explaining things WORLD Wide.

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The graphic above is courtesy a much admired and adored Brainy Furball below:

Infographic demonstrating how our agencies fall victim to regulatory capture, OR, They REALLY NEED us to fall ill and die prematurely through smoking.

 

Speaking of MARGARET Chan

More from Robert Innes:

When Collusion Is Profitable For Parties – All Six of Them!

Added 01/31/2018

Speaking of conflicts of interest…..

CDC director quits after report about stock ownership


I will not go away.

I will not stop calling you out.

I will not let others be lied to.

I will not stand quietly.

I myself, after all, can claim I have plausible deniability, right?

Please. Grow a pair.

Let the questioning and finger pointing continue and begin.

Let the plausible deniability save your careers, you incestuous greedy twits.



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Have you met my OUR friends at vapers.org.uk? 

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Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

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Thank you, Randy Willis.


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