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Vaping In The News – December 1st, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, snus, heat not burn, e-cigarettes, exposing tobacco control, public health, government, regulations, policies and more worldwide.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”


More heat than light ~ Pace of US smoking rate decline mirrors rapid rise in popularity of vaping ~ Caught red-handed ~ Let them eat cake ~ Honor Among Thieves ~ Bozeman shop challenges Gallatin County  ~ Altria is reportedly in talks to take a minority stake in Juul ~ Tobacco products promoted on Facebook despite policies ~ When money talks, the truth walks ~ Vaping and the Mic



More heat than light

Clive takes us on a ride…

More heat than light – new US statistics on youth vaping provide no basis for FDA policy


Pace of US smoking rate decline mirrors rapid rise in popularity of vaping

For about four years I’ve been told e-cigarettes – “even non-nicotine e-cigarettes” are a gateway TO smoking… This must be a coincidence.

My favorite reference:

glantz non nic

Huh.

Pace of US smoking rate decline mirrors rapid rise in popularity of vaping


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Caught red-handed

Speaking of liars, Christopher Snowden has an example.

Caught red-handed


Everyone should celebrate 20 years of failure.

Professor Glantz, shown with his hand in his pocket (not sure if that is him fondling Master Settlement Agreement funds, a court ordered gesture – or good idea).


Honor Among Thieves

The public is convinced tobacco companies pay for the the largest pyramid/ponzi scheme ever created. Smokers pay the ransom to demean themselves – to protect the tobacco companies.

“The major U.S. tobacco companies settled litigation with the states on November 23, 1998, in what is known as the Master Settlement Agreement, which requires the tobacco companies to pay out annually in perpetuity.”

Tobacco Master Settlement at 20 Years


Bozeman shop challenges Gallatin County indoor vaping ban

Bozeman shop challenges Gallatin County indoor vaping ban

“The BOH (Board of Health) had essentially pre-voted on its inclusion of electronic nicotine delivery devices, without public comment or any information from parties opposing inclusion under the CIAA enforcement, and well before the BOH meeting.”👇

Store Owners Go To Court

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Fund The Vape Lawsuit


Altria is reportedly in talks to take a minority stake in Juul

No surprise… They’re buying the competition. 

Altria is reportedly in talks to take a minority stake in Juul


Speaking of paying to bully one’s self


Tobacco products promoted on Facebook despite policies

Since the 1970’s, there has been a ban on the advertising of tobacco. In 1970, President Nixon signed a law called the Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act  – banning cigarette ads on T. V. and radio – beginning January 2nd of 1971. (Link). To get around it, media runs combustible tobacco images along side ‘anti-tobacco’ groups –  and has for years.

Side note: The US Government has been secretly recruiting underage smokers since 1992 at an acceptable “noncompliance rate of no more than 20%“.

On August 8, 2016, the United States legally defined and, on National Tobacco Day, “deemed” nicotine as tobacco. Without a doubt, advertising on social media of e-liquid is both self-promoted and promoted by consumers. The government, media and tobacco control continue to do both.

Because I like to tug on short hairs… I’m surprised the e-cigarette market is still legally able to advertise on social media (with the idiotic nicotine warning). While anarchy and mob rules may apply for some, I wonder – with legal definition – just how long advertising will be -ignored- (also federal tobacco taxes imposed) and how long it will take to try to knock it all down – if they could only do it without emotion.

I think the push has started.

Tobacco products promoted on Facebook despite policies


When money talks, the truth walks

“Before you embark on this nefarious enterprise, make sure you have sufficient funds to deliver on all that follows.”

When money talks, the truth walks


Vaping and the Mic

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Vaping In The News – November 17th, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, snus, heat not burn, e-cigarettes, exposing tobacco control, public health, government, regulations, policies and more worldwide.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”




Youth tobacco and nicotine use – proportionate and responsible reaction ~ Lunar Rover ~ First Annual VapinGreek Consumer Advocate Award ~ Juul, because Juul ~ Nicotine and children ~ The political economy of vaping ~ VTA Executive Director, Tony Abboud, joins CNBC’s Power Lunch ~ FDA to Announce Ban on Sale of Most Cigarettes ~ Kids As Clickbait ~ Cranky Old Broad ~ Employers to discriminate against smokers




Youth tobacco and nicotine use – proportionate and responsible reaction

Written and submitted by

  • Thomas J. Miller: Attorney General of Iowa
  • David B. Abrams, Ph.D.: Professor, Social and Behavioral Sciences, NYU College of Global Public Health
  • Clive Bates: Director, Counterfactual Consulting, Former Director, Action on Smoking and Health UK
  • Thomas J. Glynn, PhD: Adjunct Lecturer, School of Medicine, Stanford University
  • Lynn T. Kozlowski, Ph.D.: Professor of Community Health and Health Behavior
  • Raymond Niaura, PhD: Professor, Social and Behavioral Sciences
  • David Sweanor: Chair of Advisory Board of the Center for Health Law, Policy and Ethics

Youth tobacco and nicotine use – proportionate and responsible reaction


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VapinGreek

Speaking of Dimitris, I’m proud to have been honored with the first annual VapinGreek Consumer Advocate Award during the Vape Expo in Las Vegas last week – and was taken by complete surprise when it was presented by one of the very people I admire.  (Thank you also to Bill Tarling for telling me to watch it – but not telling me why).

In the vast and varied world of what is the ‘vaping community’, inspiration can come from many. One person I’ve listened to is Dimi on various platforms of advocacy since early 2015. I found a voice within the United States with educated opinions, predictions and warnings of the what was going on in the industry, explaining to consumers (me) what was going ON. I found someone who was “calling out those who attempt to stifle the truth” of something I personally fight for. No holds barred. Affiliations and status don’t matter.

My sincerest thanks to Dimitris for recognizing me in such a way – and creating an award to honor consumers in the future just like me. I’ve met a few of you. There are a lot of us.

Thanks also to Mike Peterson of ‘Vaping and the Mic’ for capturing the video of Dimitris presenting this award here.


Juul – because Juul.

If I were still smoking and it were the first experience to try, it would have worked on throat hit alone. I also understand why Juul attained the lions share of and threaten the “cigalike” market.

Just because ‘you’ don’t like Juul doesn’t mean they don’t work. This is my friends’ son below. I’ve known him his whole life. By his choice, I gave him a Juul a few weeks ago. HIS unsolicited testimony is exactly what shops need to be attentive TO – the smoker trying to make an informed choice.

With Gottlieb’s announcement of “voluntary bans” comes an opportunity.

For brick and mortar shops, by restricting or not carrying consumer choices such as starter kits and only low nicotine strengths with high powered (and complicated to some – think of the help asked for in your groups) mods is restricting an adult consumer choice, pleasure, and possible transition to not smoking…

👉JUST like Gottlieb intends to do.

JUUL


2018 National Youth Tobacco Survey

All the rage, e-cigarette use “among teens” is up. No surprise. In fact, I predicted it last year. I’m not going to link what you probably already know. Instead, I’ll babble a bit. What did they NOT talk about?

E-cigarettes have cut youth smoking by a gazillion percent from 22.7% to 6.3% in 8 years. No one said a word about actual tobacco use… Yet. Still. These are the “things” they’ll need to backpedal on:

  • “E-cigarettes lead to – or are a ‘gateway’ to smoking” – incorrect.
  • “We just don’t know” – incorrect.
  • “They don’t work” – incorrect.
  • “Synar Amendment” – intact.

Of course it’s complicated. Smoking rates at historic lows seize future revenues of funding, grants, state & federal budgets, along with “free” patches, gums, lozenges, prescriptions…and so on. And bullying. Who will take over bullying of smokers? “Think of the children™”.

Remember the “gateway theories” with 3X’s or 5X’s or 7X’s “more likely to smoke” claims innundating your lives. None of these teens have succumbed to smoking? None have gone on crime sprees for patches and gums…

Here’s how I explained it directly to Tobacco-Free Kids.

In a tweet.

I crack me up.

Along with that, I’ll give you the numbers.

Youth "tobacco" rates


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Nicotine and children

I’ve asked…. “How many children are addicted to patches and/or gums? I’ve asked  the American Academy of Pediatrics and their Presidendt for stats, data case studies (and possible arrest records). They didn’t answer me (!), but Joe Gitchell of Pinny Associates did.

There were “perhaps 2 adolescents may have been never smokers who used NRT”.

Use of nicotine replacement therapy among never smokers in the 1999-2006 National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys.


The political economy of vaping

This is the “should not miss” part of my blog, because this isn’t about health. Or “children”. It is, however:

The political economy of vaping

Also:

The Harmful Campaign Against Vaping and E-Cigarettes


VTA Executive Director, Tony Abboud, joins CNBC’s Power Lunch

…and he did it properly.


FDA to Announce Ban on Sale of Most Cigarettes in Convenience Stores Due to Addiction of Hundreds of Thousands of Youth to Cigarettes

Oh boy…………….  I could not have written this better even if I tried.

FDA to Announce Ban on Sale of Most Cigarettes in Convenience Stores Due to Addiction of Hundreds of Thousands of Youth to Cigarettes


Kids As Clickbait: Tobacco Control & Its Unethical War on Vaping

Dr. Glover talks about extremism and exploitation – and – well, defines tobacco control.

Kids As Clickbait: Tobacco Control & Its Unethical War on Vaping


The Cranky Old Broad.

Wait, that’s not it. Skip. Yes. That’s her name. I affectionately and lovingly get away with calling her that. Because she is, but that’s not why you’re here.

Tobacco Harm Reduction Takes a Hit in Minnesota


Lawmaker pre-files bill that would allow employers to discriminate against smokers

DrMA echos my sentiments:

Lawmaker pre-files bill that would allow employers to discriminate against smokers




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Vaping In The News – November 10th

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, snus, heat not burn, e-cigarettes, exposing tobacco control, public health, government, regulations, policies and more worldwide.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”




Defending Juul | Drug War Veteran Punctures Panic Over Nicotine ~ Fund the vape FOIA lawsuit ~ Speaking Of Montana ~ Why Traditional “Quit Smoking Methods” Have Consistently FAILED ~ Gottlieb: Do Teen Vapers Need Big Pharma Intervention? ~ NATO Responds to FDA’s Potential E-Cigarette Sales Restrictions ~ Adolescents have unfavorable opinions of adolescents who use e-cigarettes ~ “I Was Just Ignorant”—World-Renowned Vaping Researcher on His Dramatic Conversion ~ Golden Ashtray Award ~ Taking on Tobacco




Defending Juul | Drug War Veteran Punctures Panic Over Nicotine

Excellent interview with Helen Redmond from Regulator Watch.

Defending Juul | Drug War Veteran Punctures Panic Over Nicotine


Fund the vape FOIA lawsuit

If you can, please support Ron & Deanna Marshall. If you cannot, please spread it around.

Fund the vape FOIA lawsuit

Freedom Vapes Montana Strikes Back

Vape Radio talks with Ron Marshall about the fight he and his wife Deanna are up against, and the Freedom Of Information Act.

Freedom Vapes Montana Strikes Back


Speaking of Montana

NO tax, other than normal state or local sales tax on vaping products is acceptable. Nicotine is NOT tobacco. None. If anyone says you need to compromise that position, ask them why.

Chris Hughes, from 2016 is an example as to why.

In this instance, budget woes equaled a proposed “33% tax on the wholesale prices of e-cigarettes and other vapor products”.

Montana voters reject tax on vapor products


Why Traditional “Quit Smoking Methods” Have Consistently FAILED

From our friend, Dr Marewa Glover.

Why Traditional “Quit Smoking Methods” Have Consistently FAILED


Gottlieb: Do Teen Vapers Need Big Pharma Intervention?

I’m glad this is from Jim McDonald.

Gottlieb: Do Teen Vapers Need Big Pharma Intervention?


NATO Responds to FDA’s Potential E-Cigarette Sales Restrictions

So much for an “epidemic” via the retail sector.

“During this past summer, 96.7% of the retailers passed FDA-sponsored compliance checks by not selling an e-cigarette to an underage youth.”

This is 16.7% ABOVE federal guidelines.👇

The Synar Amendment “requires” an 80% compliance rate.

NATO Responds to FDA’s Potential E-Cigarette Sales Restrictions




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Adolescents have unfavorable opinions of adolescents who use e-cigarettes

In the spirit of the anti-smoking rhetoric, bullying and hate are promotable. “It is important to ensure that adolescents do not formulate “cool” or otherwise desirable images of e-cigarette users, as these images could become established, as occurred with the positive cigarette-smoking prototypes, which took decades of concentrated efforts to dispel…”

Adolescents have unfavorable opinions of adolescents who use e-cigarettes


“I Was Just Ignorant”—World-Renowned Vaping Researcher on His Dramatic Conversion

A must watch with Dr. Riccardo Polosa.

“I Was Just Ignorant”—World-Renowned Vaping Researcher on His Dramatic Conversion


Golden Ashtray Award

The results are in.

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Taking on Tobacco: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Assault on Smoking

Hat tip to our friend, Jukka for finding this…from 2005:

”before the Foundation began investing in tobacco-related policy research”….

“Through regular conference calls and e-mail, each group knew what the others were doing.

Page five, second entry.

Taking on Tobacco: The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Assault on Smoking


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Nicotine is NOT Cause of Death in 14-year-old


According to a report from Ian Jacques at Delta Optimist, the death of 14-year-old Kyle Losse was “a result of complications due to a stroke” back in January of this year.

The “autopsy showed that no nicotine was present in his system.”

Of course, that isn’t what was reported when it happened.


While a tragic loss of life occurred – reporters took the liberty of manipulating circumstances surrounding the death and portrayed it as if it weren’t about the child at all.


Aside from the obvious, reporters spent an enormous amount of time and emphasis on a device and nicotine. I’ll get back to that.

  • One report stated (bold is my emphasis on all three) “The liquid he was inhaling tested positive for nicotine, a typical ingredient”.
  • Another report said “I do feel there was some negligence on their part. I feel that more should have been done,” said Losse, who said the e-cigarette tested as nicotine, and not an illicit drug.
  • A third report stated “A blood test determined that Kyle had nicotine in his system.

This tragedy is not the first to be blown out of proportion by those (I assume) calling themselves professionals or “journalists”. Like other instances, the fact that there was an e-cigarette in the room in this instance –  may have had nothing to do with it.

I’ll repeat this: The “autopsy showed that no nicotine was present in his system.”

 

Jim McDonald covers this tragic story here:

Teen Dies After Hospital Mistakes Stroke for Nicotine Effects


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Conjecture

This headline “Smash your kid’s vaping gear, grieving family says” from Randy Shore of the “Vancouver Sun” states:

Fourteen-year-old Kyle Losse of Delta was using an e-cigarette in the bathroom of his family home Sunday when he fell and may have struck his head. ” was from this story.


Speculation

This headline “14-year-old Delta baseball player dies after fall while vaping nicotine” from Stephanie Ip and Lora Grindlay of the “Times Colonist” says:

mourned by the local baseball community following his sudden death this week after falling while he was vaping nicotine” from this story


Manipulating

This headline in the Global News was: “Teen baseball player’s stepmom calls for stronger vaping regulations after his death” fromsays:

Kyle Losse died two days after he fell while vaping.” was from this story.


Thanks to Stefan Didak of Not Blowing Smoke for pointing this article is out to us on Facebook:

“Remember this fear-mongering story about vaping from JANUARY this year? Well, as it NOW shows, there was no nicotine in his system at all.”

“There has been speculation that Kyle’s brain injury was due to a reaction from nicotine, but the autopsy showed that no nicotine was present in his system.”

Here’s that story:

Losse died to complications from stroke: autopsy report


My tweet is much less important as Phil’s:


Who knows what

It seems to me, while the child was under direct medical care, had it been unadulterated knowledge in this case this could have been avoided. If the condition was due to nicotine, critical information and knowledge about nicotine would have been imperative to the medical staff.

While I typed this blog, I wondered about how long “nicotine” would be traceable in the body after death since it was stated “no nicotine was present in his system“.


According to Wikipedia (with links intact):

The prognosis is typically good when medical care is provided and patients adequately treated are unlikely to have any long-term sequelae. However, severely affected patients with prolonged seizures or respiratory failure may have ongoing impairments secondary to the hypoxia.[4][33] It has been stated that if a patient survives nicotine poisoning during the first 4 hours, they usually recover completely.[27] At least at “normal” levels, as nicotine in the human body is broken down, it has an approximate biological half-life of 1–2 hours. Cotinine is an active metabolite of nicotine that remains in the blood for 18–20 hours, making it easier to analyze due to its longer half-life.[34]  (Source)


Acting on medical advice and information, the parents were under the impression “nicotine” was the problem.  What?

Staff checked Kyle’s vital signs and did a blood test. It came back negative for anything other than nicotine, which can be toxic. He was given fluids and potassium.

“I want Delta Hospital to acknowledge that this shouldn’t have happened,” stepmom Niki Losse said Thursday. “I feel like they chalked it up to a stupid kid using an e-vape and didn’t fully look at everything that happened.”


Education is expensive. Please understand critical information:

Nicotine is in everyone’s diet.

  • “Nicotine is a normal part of the diet and everyone tests positive for it. In all of the large-scale clinical surveys where hundreds of subjects were tested, no person has ever tested negative for nicotine”

Overdosing:

  • “It is regarded as almost impossible to die from ingestion of nicotine alone, because the dose required is so large; and because swallowing it induces a vomit reflex that expels it and an anaesthetic is required to prevent emesis (vomiting); and it is so rare to find any example of an adult dying from nicotine ingestion alone that the suggestion is that some other agent was also consumed as an anaesthetic or anti-emetic” .  (Source)

Questions

  • I question “experts” and “Public health”. (I do that a lot.) A whole generation has been brainwashed into the nicotine myth. They have done a piss poor job of downplaying ignoring the role of nicotine in the body, and demoniziong it to their advantage. Wouldn’t – in triage (nicotine) be the lowest priority on any list of “causes”?

Education is expensive. In this case, medical advice was trusted and deadly.

  • I question attending medical staff along with quality and level of care. Did they take the test and realize nicotine was going to show up? Did they even know everyone can test positive for nicotine? Were they seeking a “high” or alarming level?
  • I question any reporter(s) for continuing a path of clickbait headlines. I’m waiting on a line in any story – about most anything – where its SO idiotic that reporters will exclaim “no e-cigarettes were found at the scene”.

To the reporters and editors who allow this unacceptable type of reporting: Stop leading the public on, start acting like professionals. Do your job.

Medical staff: Treating the symptom, not the cause – is never an effective outcome.

https://twitter.com/ojkershaw/status/1020221918434209792


 

My condolences go out to the Losse family as they are still looking for answers surrounding their sons death.

 




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Teen Smoking Drops, Gateway Closes, Unicorns Unemployed

Teen Smoking Drops, Popular Gateway Closes, Unicorns Unemployed

Teen Smoking Drops, Gateway Closes

Teen smoking rates dropped again despite the ever-popular assessment that e-cigarettes “could be” a gateway to smoking. Even this year, stories continue to manipulate public perception with titles like “heavier teen tobacco use” and content to conjure images of a pack of 8-year-olds smoking like it’s going out of style. I’ll get to the unicorns sightings, I know that’s why you’re here.

Also noteworthy, and no surprise, e-cigarette use is going up. Well, hang on to your hats. If e-cigarettes are a gateway to smoking… where are the new smokers? You ponder that question, I’ll keep typing.


They’re wrong, No Gateway

With the confidence of a unicorn herder, always good for a laugh ever-so-credible Stanton Glantz just below boasts “even non-nicotine #ecigarettes are a strong gateway to cigarettes…” and he’s wrong. He uses the word “are”.  Not only is he wrong, he’s wrong at least twice.

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If he were correct in his hypothesis, this would be a different blog. I trust grandstanding filled with babbling and buffoonery is forthcoming from Stan about how wrong he isn’t.  (Blatantly obnoxious and wrong.) He’ll stroke his beard,  fidget in his chair, participate in some pesky deposition, but won’t admit wrong, he and others have been wrong, and will continue to be wrong. With reports of youth smoking rates dropping to all-time lows, thousands of gateway enthusiasts like Stanton “Puff-N-Stuff” Glantz, are… well, I am happy to report as I did in August here, and here, wrong.


Teen smoking drops again

Teen Nicotine and tobacco use (smoking rates) dropped again according to the latest report from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA)  called “Monitoring The Future Survey”.

Use of traditional cigarettes has continued to decline to the lowest levels in the survey’s history.

Significant five-year declines-by more than half for daily use and for use of one-half pack or more per day-were reported by all grades.

Daily cigarette use was reported by 0.6 percent of 8th graders

2.2 percent of 10th graders

4.2 percent of 12th graders in 2017.

This was down from peaks of 10.4 percent and 18.3 percent among 8th and 10th graders in 1996 and a peak of 24.6 percent of 12th graders in 1997.


Unicorns

Expert Integrity In Question

Gateway Enthusiasts and Unicorns are out of work

Despite the valiant efforts of “experts”, despite an uncanny desire to invest in tactics like this to keep kids smoking, they’re smoking less. Now, due to cause and effect, the country has countless unicorns displaced and unemployed. Gateway enthusiasts and Unicorns are looking for work. Kids sure don’t smoke like they used to. Do what you can to save the unicorns, continue to question the integrity of experts.

Since the definition of nicotine is now tobacco, tobacco USE rates/funding are in jeopardy. (I predict next year the “tobacco use” will be put together with vaping in this survey, with or without nicotine). To my knowledge, not one city has made an effort to focus on the intended target: children. Instead of focusing on pre-teen and teen smoking (what I would consider 8-15 year-old juveniles), to educate that age group on tobacco use, so-called “experts” are insistent, despite the lowest smoking rates in history, on half-assed efforts and a lot of money aimed at raising the age of purchasing tobacco and e-cigs to 21.


Teens Are Smoking Less

While I was writing this blog, this came across my eye. (Thanks, Jenny!)

While all the “Tobacco 21” enthusiasts are running around feeling good about themselves, the teen smokers they should be spending energy on are already smoking. In this, it states the desire to raise the age to 21. Well. The paragraph above I stated 8-15 as the age range to educate, where (bold emphasis is mine) this study says:

“The mean age for the first puff on a cigarette was 11.7 years (n = 66). Youths who had stolen tobacco from a parent reported a mean age for the first puff (11.3 years), one year earlier than youths who had never stolen tobacco from a parent (12.3 years, n = 66, p = 0.05)”

Focus time on efforts, not control

11 year olds. 12 year olds. Why are they worrying about restricting 18-20-year-old adults again? Why are they not worried about pre-teen and teen tobacco use? Oh, that’s right, they’re experts. It’s pretty obvious a quick check with my untrained eye on the target age of when children first initiate smoking *in their own study* isn’t their expertise.  Maybe no one noticed.

You would think efforts focusing on pre-teen smoking education before a potential problem occurs would be more fruitful, and the obvious primary focus. Instead, restrict adults from doing something that “they might do” as adults has become the idiotic trend.

As far as my personal view, I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

On teens: “If “children” are *already smoking, they’re *smokers regardless of age. Think of the children™.”

If these people worked on the…. they might work themselves right out …. of… a …. job . . . wait a minute….


This was added 12/19/17.


Smoking Rates Among Youth Now At “Unimaginable” Levels

Added 01/18/17:

1.7 Million High Schoolers Vaped in 2016, As Both Vaping and Smoking Declined

Added 06/14/2018:

Still not smoking.

The elusive ‘epidemic’ of teen vaping

Added 8/18:

Interesting to note on 9/05/18:

Truth Initiative claims a gateway on August 6th claiming:

THEN:

a twenty-one % drop from 18-24….


Other related links of interest:

Electronic Cigarette Age Restrictions May Drive Teens to Traditional Cigarettes

US survey: Youth smoking rates reach historic lows despite e-cig popularity

Adolescent Smoking Rates Reach Historic Lows, Despite Vaping’s Popularity




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My Data Driven Meta-Analysis: E-cigarettes cause less smoking.

kid smoking



Data Driven Meta-Analysis: E-cigarettes cause less smoking. Imagine you’re a tobacco control “expert”, a professor, in fact. There is notoriety, fame even. You’re not a scientist, but while bumbling through your meta-analysis, you elude to being one for decades. Ahhh the life.

While walking upright, there’s a noticeable amount of doughnut powder in your beard (to show your expertise) in almost any sterile artificial setting — where everyone will nod their heads in agreement…

glantz tweet


Since I have the formalities out of the way, I will meta-analyse the chart below for before Professor Puff-N-Stuff gets his grubby paws on it.

I’ll submit my findings for all you math / data / science /statistitians for peer review below!

Aren’t you excited?


Submitted by Kevin Crowley, AKA @VapingIT, SPE, EEI.

(You have to have the fancy-shmancy initials!)

Title

(or whatever they put at the top of important studies)

E-cigarettes cause less smoking.

“Important stuff”:

E-cigarette use was tracked by the FDA & CDC – from 2011 – 2016.

It went up, peaked in 2015 and went back down.


 

Purpose:

I suppose I should explain myself like they all do, but I won’t, I’ll do it my way.

To have determination a deliberate (Thanks Fig!) and honest assessment of whether e-cigarettes cause more smoking (or not) in youth without using words like “may, might, could” or any phrases like “more studies will be needed to determine” (with or without nicotine).

This could be difficult, and I’m not an “expert” so I certainly hope you’re rooting for me.


Data: More Stuff

Cigarette use in the same time frame – went down. (Check my math, this is important).

kids youth gateway

Findings:

Most children around adults not smoking has caused the children to not smoke. The adults choosing to use (e-cigarettes) vaping equipment instead of purchasing cigarettes, so the children can’t steal cigarettes from parents who are not smoking.

E-cigarettes cause less smoking in children, and adults.

(Being informative is exhausting!)

Result:

Since 2011, adults smoked less, making cigarettes less available to kids. 8% of children will still try cigarettes.

Links:

Chart above is here.

Study below the chart is here.

You can purchase my metanalysis for a billion dollars once I put it behind a paywall.


Conflicts Of Interest:

Like this matters, but I’ll play along. None, consumer.


Opinion

Big Ole’ long sentence assesment warning!

It is in my opinion that around 8 percent of the children in the United States are the core group of rebels who, despite any half-hearted efforts by tobacco control organizations or esteemed professors like Puff-N-Stuff, will try smoking, skip school and daredevil and adventure off into other activities deemed dangerous or delinquent-like.

Less than that will continue try cigars, hookah, pipes and smokeless tobacco.

It happens. That will give more time for experts (uninterested in blaming themselves or rebellion) to have something to do, like blame Hollywood for the remaining 8%.

I want to beat Professor Glantz to the metanalysis submission frenzy:

How’d I do?

Peer review my findings! Someone check my math!


Related:

“most e-cigarette experimentation does not turn into regular use, and levels of regular use in young people who have never smoked remain very low.”

Cumulatively these surveys collected data from over 60,000 young people.

Young People’s Use of E-Cigarettes across the United Kingdom: Findings from Five Surveys 2015–2017

“Nicotine dependence is not a significant mechanism for e-cigarettes’ purported effect on heavier future conventional smoking among young adults.”

Evaluating the Mutual Pathways among Electronic Cigarette Use, Conventional Smoking, and Nicotine Dependence.


Related:

Via Michael Siegel:

Center for Tobacco Products is Lying to the Public About Youth Tobacco Use

Mine:
Smoking and E-cig use among teens is down, again – (Don’t tell Stan)

Added 9/6/17

I must have done well:
  • Riccardo Polosa
  • Christopher Russell,
  • Joel Nitzkin and
  • Konstantinos E. Farsalinos

A critique of the US Surgeon General’s conclusions regarding e-cigarette use among youth and young adults in the United States of America


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Smoking and E-cig use among teens is down, again – (Don’t tell Stan)

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Smoking and e-cigarette use is down again. It’s a long standing whine from inefficient tobacco control “experts”, “those damn kids”.

Wait a minute…

Forgive me, I don’t know where my head was at by typing “those damn kids”.

It’s Think Of The Children ™ .

Future income for tobacco control.

There. Clear conscience. I hope we both feel better.



This graphic is just to make you laugh before we can move on.

I’ll wait.

glantz tweet



All set?

Moving on.

Smoking and E-cigarette use is dropping

The last chart I saw (from 2015) showing tobacco use among middle and high school students is below, and smoking rates at the bottom was going DOWN.

Substantially.

Seems in the chart on the bottom, the significant decrease in cigarettes use… was – well, ignored. Instead, it added in in the “overall useage”of tobacco.

Huh. Seems in the chart at the TOP, it increased. That made progress “No significant change”.

Well, after National Tobacco Day, that chart is accurate according to the arbitrary law.

I believe this grapic was made during the Surgeon General’s propaganda tour when I snipped this, so I apologize in advance on the source.

I’m sure they were made by someone much more important than I am before I put my remarks and drivel all over theirs.

I think the source is somewhere, if you can bear to go, in here.

lie kids rates.JPG

 


kids

I’d like to believe the children surveyed in the latest findings are telling the truth to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). I’d also like to believe those organizations were truthful in relaying that information to the public. Not sure. You?

Not sure. You? Haven’t seen Puff-N-Stuff metanalyze it yet… for all I know this is cause for children to pick their noses…I’ll move on.

Either way, smoking is down, e-cigarette use (now called tobacco) is down.

  • Down 20% for “any tobacco product”.
  • Down 20% for “any combustible tobacco product”.
  • Down 26% for any “two (dual use) tobacco products”.
  • Down 29% for “e-cigarette use”.
  • Down 33% for “hookah use”.

Imagine taking away e-cigarettes as a choice.

Would any of the other categories have gone down?

I think not.

Between 2013 and 2015, e-cigarette use rose substantially, and then it dropped in 2016…while “experts” were claiming, screaming, yelling and making a general ass of themselves that they are a gateway to smoking. Yeah. About that…  They’ll be making an ass of themselves and taking credit for the lower rates… any minute now.

kids youth smoking drops again low.jpg

Fool me once… keep babbling…. I’ll make it clearer.

Stop that – you’re starting to look silly.

Youth Tobacco Use in the U.S.

Meanwhile, the Tobacco 21 crowd gears up and wants to restrict tobacco from 18-20 year olds from having that choice. (E-cigarettes). From Adults.

Now look back up at that chart.

Now look without giggling at this graphic tweet from “well respected” our National Tobacco Control Professor, Stanton “Puff-N-Stuff” Glantz, again. It’s like he’s trying to be convincing and all…

You know you want to.

glantz tweet


Added 8/26/17

“The implications of the rapid rise in electronic cigarette (e-cigarette) use remain unknown.”

Huh. Unknown. Maybe knowing they’re much less dangerous than conventional cigarettes is a start?

Nicotine dependence is not a significant mechanism for e-cigarettes’ purported effect on heavier future conventional smoking among young adults.

Evaluating the Mutual Pathways among Electronic Cigarette Use, Conventional Smoking, and Nicotine Dependence.

“most e-cigarette experimentation does not turn into regular use, and levels of regular use in young people who have never smoked remain very low.”

 

Cumulatively these surveys collected data from over 60,000 young people.

Young People’s Use of E-Cigarettes across the United Kingdom: Findings from Five Surveys 2015–2017


“When tobacco use decreases, less smoking occurs.”

“If “children” are *already smoking, they’re *smokers regardless of age.

Legislators who say 18-year-olds are not adults are hypocrites

 



Related:

Clive Bates has been saying the same thing since 2013.

We need to talk about the children – the gateway effect examined

It’s also here from the Capital Research Center and Dr. Steve Allen:

Oh, and here:

Vaping Rates Are Falling For Teens Despite Alleged ‘Gateway’ Effect To Smoking

I’ve covered it, among other places, here:

The FDA can’t prove nicotine addiction or gateways exist.


And Dr. Cranfield, who did this

has covered the gatway theory in this video. Well worth the listen


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My Data Driven Meta-Analysis: E-cigarettes Cause Less Smoking


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Tobacco 21: Synar Amendment and Nanny-State Funding

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If you haven’t noticed

Tobacco control, the public health sector, along with politicians are hell-bent on raising the age from 18 to purchase tobacco to 21 (T21) primarily within cities or counties, not states. They must have hurt themselves to come up with a creative name, though. “Tobacco 21”.



Those “kids” at 18-20 couldn’t possibly walk, get a ride or drive to the next city or county line now could they? As an example, in Cleveland, Ohio – while the state law is 18 – they’ve passed an ordinance to make it 21.

It is destined to fail.




Read this very carefully…….. and read the astute Agent’s question…


nanny

Update:

1/1/20

Fig pointed out one of my favorite subjects – and used Professor Puff-N-Stuff’s blog to do so:
“Other major changes from the new law include changes to the Public Health Services Act Sec. 1926 (42 U.S.C. 300x-26) – the Synar Amendment – with respect to implementation and enforcement. Sections pertaining to where a state would need to develop its own laws are cut (as federal law now establishes the new national baseline),
👓
👉and instead of the Secretary for Health and Human Services being required to hold 10% of a given state’s federal grant money for non-compliance in the first applicable fiscal year and 40% after the third year of non-compliance, 👉 the Secretary may instead hold “up to” 10%.

The Consumer Advocates for Smoke Free Alternatives Association (CASAA) has released this statement about “Tobacco 21” laws:

CASAA Tobacco 21 policy statement: “Including low-risk alternatives in T21 laws is unwise, misleading”

Update: 01/17/20
“Taking these together, our findings suggest a possible unintended effect of e‐cigarette MLSA (minimum legal sale age) laws – rising cigarette use in the short term while youth are restricted from purchasing e‐cigarettes.”
Update:

Tobacco Harm Reduction 4 Life also has a

Tobacco 21 Toolkit


Nanny State

As Senator Steve Linthicum (R – Oregon) puts it,

 “freedom from responsibility” will enable more state intervention for many years to come.

The Senator’s Op-Ed is here:

Smoking age law simply more nanny state


At the time this was written:

Hawaii

is the only state that has their age restriction to purchase tobacco, and “treat e-cigarettes the same as regular cigarettes” set at 21.

The other 49 states are at 18.

Purchasing and smoking are again two different things.

A few states have restrictions the age to smoke and/or possession at 18, and a few are also at 19. Most do not have a “possession / smoking age”. Hawaii “treat e-cigarettes the same as regular cigarettes”

Smoking age

Conflicting with what I stated above, I also found this “map”.

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Update 6/10/17:

Correction: Hawaii, California, and Washington DC are at 21. (Thanks Skip!)


Riding the boot

This seemingly sudden traction in support for raising the age of smoking does not surprise me. The public takes any THINK of the CHILDREN ™ statement seriously until snot runs down their chin. (The adult’s chin, not the kids).

Not to poke the bear, but – oh screw it – I’ll poke the bear.

At first glance, I see trouble smoke on the horizon.

Tobacco “free” kids. They are saying, without publicly admitting it, that they can’t and HAVEN’T been doing “their jobs” in tobacco control.

You won’t hear them talk about their blatant, blinding inadequacies.

With that, they “should” raise the minimum age to purchase to 21.

But wait, can Tobacco-Free Kids do that?

What about their deal with tobacco? Let’s chat about job security.

Tobacco-Free Kids  actively prevented the FDA from raising the age of cigarette sales nationally to anything above 18!”

That’s here:

Disingenuous As Can Be: Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids Urges States to Raise Tobacco Sales Age to 21


Posturing? Absolutely. Looks GREAT in writing? Well -not if you read between the tweets, so to speak. In the scheme of thinks, they’re admitting their organizational failures, lackluster “efforts” and it’s beyond obvious they don’t “help” reduce the smoking rates of teens – or adults, for that matter.

Most people start smoking much earlier, by their own admissionwell before the age of 18 despite laws and ordinances to prevent it.

Will requiring the age to purchase tobacco at 21 make any difference in children under 18 finding ways to get tobacco?

I’d like to think so, but I think not.


The Synar Amendment

While snooping around for the reason to “suddenly” restrict consenting 18 to 20 year old adults from purchasing tobacco at their leisure, I have found with the effort, there is funding and reward.

Here’s a look at the Synar Amendment.

There is also funding to be lost.

States must comply with the Synar Amendment in order to receive their full Substance Abuse Prevention and Treatment Block Grant (SABG) awards.

Imagine my surprise.

Chapter and Residency Program Mini-Grants for Tobacco and Nicotine Prevention and Control

Again, shocked:

Raising the Minimum Legal Sale Age for Tobacco and Related Products\

Huh… since this blog, they took that link DOWN.

I’ll update as soon as I hear something…


Stay with me – my train of thought is a bit – well – discolored and smokey…

The Synar Amendment. Poof.

In my (highly acclaimed by me) opinion, as the age of purchase was 18, they are having a difficult time keeping their percentage at acceptable levels, and now want to raise it to 21 to recreate the problem.


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Added 10/08/2017:

Think I can’t read MINDS?

As stated in its annual report on “key strategic metrics,” the Department of Environmental Health is hoping to increase “the percent of retail tobacco visits with sales to minors.”

The noncompliance rate of its sting operations rose from 8.3 percent in 2014 to 16 percent in 2015. In fact, the department hopes to snag even more vendors, projecting a 23 percent noncompliance rate by the end of 2017.

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Denver Is Hiring Teen Cigarette Narcs

As my curiosity and attention span equals or exceeds a cat, I briskly asked my favorite tobacco control “expert” of her insight – and I spelled Synar incorrectly in the tweet, forgive me. Tweetin’ ain’t always easy. 🙂

Acceptable levels being – they want them UP so close to 20% that they’re needed, but not enough to lose funding. They’re having a difficult time with that. Smoking rates are dropping MUCH faster than anticipated or desired. See, this plan isn’t working for them.


So…

HOW the *%&^ can TWENTY percent of underage sales BE an ACCEPTABLE level?

I’ll repeat that. The acceptable level of SALES of TOBACCO to minors is set at 20% – and funding will STILL commence. Two out of ten CHILDREN can possibly purchase cigarettes according to this and be acceptable.

(Don’t get me wrong, the WeCard program, in my opinion, is an awesome program from what I see.)

Vape shops were self-regulating and doing this LONG before NICOTINE was deemed tobacco.


Bold is my emphasis

The inspection program, named for late U.S. Rep. Mike Synar of Oklahoma, is a federal mandate requiring each state to document that the rate of tobacco sales to minors is no more than 20 percent at the risk losing millions in federal funds for alcohol and other drug abuse prevention and treatment services.

Here, in 2012, (bold is my emphasis)

demonstrates that the average nationwide retail store infringement rate of tobacco sales is down to 8.5%.

Tobacco Sales To Minors Reach All-Time Low

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That’s good, right?

Well – wait a minute, the train is chugging but pulling into the station.

According to the “agreement” they can:

“Negotiate interim targets and a date to achieve a noncompliance rate of no more than 20%”

“Nicotine” is now a “tobacco product”. “Use among teens”… so…with e-cigarettes…

If they raise the minimum to 21, they create a whole new class and “infringement rate” – and in the process, create more funding to do what “they’ve” already allegedly done. Job security.

If smokers under 21 want to try e-cigarettes, oh, too bad.

Electronic Cigarette Age Restrictions May Drive Teens to Traditional Cigarettes

Harm Reduction Drives Younger Vapers, Not Flavors

“If “children” are *already smoking, they’re *smokers regardless of age. Think of the children™.”


In the end:

Most of the posturing going on – at least around the United States – isn’t about children.

Sure seemed like it. caphysicians.jpg



 Added 9/1/17

FDA Announces Retail ‘This Is Our Watch’ Program

Added 10/13/2017
Anne Arundel County tobacco sting finds one in four stores sold tobacco to minors

Added 03/25/2018:

“Increasing the MLPA to 21 years in NYC did not accelerate reductions in youth tobacco use any more rapidly than declines observed in comparison sites.”

Impact of New York City’s 2014 Increased Minimum Legal Purchase Age on Youth Tobacco Use.


“Judge Franklin Theis issued a permanent injunction Thursday barring Topeka’s city government from enforcing an ordinance its governing body approved in December”

Judge bars Topeka city government from enforcing ordinance raising smoking age


Added 6/17/18:

Via Brad Rodu:

Beginning in 1997, Washington required states to report underage sales via the Synar Program (here).  The latest Synar data shows that 9.6% of retailers were noncompliant in 2013.  The FDA also conducts compliance checks of tobacco retailers.  In 2016, the FDA reported a noncompliance rate of 11% (here).  The FDA should focus on this far more dangerous illegal cigarette sales issue, rather than obsessing over e-cigarettes.

FDA Aims at Wrong Target in Effort to Protect Teens



Final mixed thoughts:

Obviously, no one’s complained or thrown their arms up about the Synar Amendment  –  they must be just fine with the status quo – as if their funding depended on it.

To have each organization claiming they want to “reduce” tobacco with this disturbing insanity of ANY type of loophole is beyond words.

I don’t want “children” to start smoking as young as I did, and I was purchasing them at 9 without a second look. Within these restrictions, they not only restrict tobacco purchases, they are also lumping in and restricting the choice of e-cigarettes as an alternative.

What I DON’T like is restricting of age consenting ADULTS from choice.

I’m not positive of “where” the Tobacco 21 movement is “going”, but with funding comes diversion and manipulation I can still, at times barely comprehend, so cut me some slack for not having a full grasp on it and its leaders “direction” at the moment. It will come to me eventually.

In the meantime, read what Brian Fotjik has to say:

Added 8/23/17

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Flavors & E-Cigarettes. Taking Adults AWAY From Tobacco.

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Holidays are coming up. Good times. Friends. Family. Gatherings. Social events.

I’ll bet my last tweet, there may, just may, be flavors involved in these festivities. Cookies. Candy. Pies. Cakes.

Grandma’s secret confections.

As a child, I LOVED anise cookies. LOVE them now. Mom doesn’t make them much any more, but MMMmmm. They were made with an anise extract, but damn they were GOOD.


Then along with the above goodies, adults will like alcohol at their respective get-togethers. I’ll bet there’ll be flavors in alcohol as well.

The recent photo below was via Pat McKone of the American Lung Association

liking FLAVOR. Imagine that. Damn adults. Hope that drink wasn’t consumed during official

Lung Association “business”.

lungassociationflavorspatmojito

Thanks, Jerry!


Part of the success of using e-cigarettes IS a selection of flavors.

No? They’re marketed toward children, they say.

Like my friend and pal, Tom Frieden of the Centers For Disease Control who has no integrity.

cdctomfriedenLike Senators who, despite the word “children”, have been seeing their ponzi scheme crumble. They are figuring out a way to replenish their MSA funds with NON-Smokers.



I want to be VERY clear.

E-cigarettes are not tobacco. They want it to be deemed tobacco.

To restrict, regulate, TAX and possibly ban. They want CONTROL.

They are wanting tax money for their states. It’s NOT about health. it’s NOT about children.

It’s a ploy saying children.


They’re addicting a whole new generation to nicotine, they say, when they lump e-cigarettes in with tobacco.


Well- guess what big tobacco wants to do:

rjreynolds

If “big tobacco” has their way, they will keep menthol and tobacco flavors. Nothing else, and like above, they like the regulations…. it benefits them.

Here’s the goal in my opinion of tobacco companies and their play in the e-cigarette market:

#1. Try this e-cigarette. Flavors? NOPE! Just tobacco & menthol. Sorry.

#2. Didn’t work? Wasn’t effective? That’s too bad. Welcome back to smoking!


If children aren’t allowed to buy tobacco – or e-cigarettes, then there are serious problems worldwide with access by both retail shops allowing the purchase of said products, and parenting skills worldwide. Just for a moment, think about that.

If the tobacco control industry was doing it’s JOB by teaching children the dangers of tobacco effectively instead of passively, there would be less smokers eventually if they were DOING their job, and their job would become irrelevant.

The claims to children is actually becoming more dangerous.

Don’t try too hard, tobacco control expert, you’ll find yourself out of a job –

or maybe you could work at a vape shop!

cessationvapeshop

Let us get to adults liking flavors, shall we?


Donuts have flavors. Liquor/Beer/Wine have flavors. Nicorette has flavors. Coffee shops have flavors- latte’s plateas’ fataees…. (sorry – I’m a straight coffee man). Ice cream has flavors….

And what about these adults at the Senate and their claims of children and flavors…

Ronald Reagan LOVED jellybeans. Those had flavors. Ronnie – by some accounts was an adult!

Do adults not like flavors? What about SENATORS?

The Candy Desk.

GASP!


ADULTS like flavors. Flavors are just a part of the success with e-cigarettes. They take us AWAY from Tobacco.

See Randy’s Survey on Nicotine & Flavors!

I hear you asking – Kevin, with all this going ON, What can I DO?

You can become a member of CASAA here.

You can please SEE THIS NOW.


I asked the question again…..

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These are just the last 100 answers. Unedited.


Upon starting E-cigs I used Fruity and Sweet flavour Eliquid as I did not want to associate Vaping with Smoking, I now enjoy Tobacco flavoured as I know The flavour will not draw me back to Cigarettes.
Tuesday, Sep 29th 6:40PM


I think I would have had success without the flavors, but they helped. Another aspect of flavors during the quit process is I didn’t have food in my mouth at all times. Previous quit attempts, I used food to try to ease the absence of cigarettes. But with vaping, it replaced that need to snack. This sounds crazy, but I know overweight people who are addicted to food as bad as I was addicted to cigarettes, and I’ve contemplated if vaping 0 mg would help them.
Wednesday, Sep 23rd 11:29AM


Without that initial, satisfying flavor, vaping could/would have been unappealing.
Sunday, Sep 20th 10:16AM


Daily I typically have 6 different tanks with variety of flavors to keep the taste buds awake !
Sunday, Sep 13th 3:58PM


I made a decision to not use tobacco flavours to best distance myself from cigarettes, a few months after I started vaping I was given a chance and tried a tobacco flavour once so I could compare and decide if I’d made a good decision, I didn’t much like it so it was a good decision.
I have some certain areas of flavours I like more than others but I really like being able to try other flavours to see if I like them more and some flavours don’t work with some other tastes from foods etc so having a choice is very beneficial.

More choice is always a good thing, it allows people to find something they personally like as what they like others quite possibly will not. It would be very bad if we lost that ability to choose flavours like we can now.
Sunday, Aug 16th 3:11AM




Taste is so subjective, I believe it’s very important for a lot of options to exist so each individual can find what works for them in regards to keeping them off of combustibles.
Friday, Aug 7th 11:05AM


I never liked tobacco flavors, I started off with a mocha flavor and as more flavors became available I realized I prefer desert flavors above all others. Apple pie, custards, sugar cookie etc. I don’t believe I could have quit smoking with tobacco only flavors.

Sunday, Aug 2nd 8:43PM


I am a flavor junkie
Monday, Aug 3rd 4:16AM


Flavours in e liquids are what makes this product so successful. At first, most start out with a e-liquid similar to their favourite cigarette brand. Once you move to flavours, the desire to cheat is greatly diminished. Flavours keep us from carving cigarettes, much like personal taste, each person has their own favourite flavour palette. I prefer fruit, dessert and candy flavoured e-liquids. Another person may like custards, or sour type candy flavours.

Friday, Jul 31st 11:26PM


I did not want anything that tasted like tobacco once I decided to stop smoking. I don’t think I would have been able to stop smoking if I did not have the choice of many different flavors. It took a while to find the flavor that was just right for me so that I was able to completely get off of cigarettes.
Wednesday, Jul 29th 10:49PM


Always changing flv
Tuesday, Jul 28th 3:02PM



tobacco flavors are my favorites
Monday, Jul 27th 4:49PM


I tend to gravitate towards different flavors depending on my mood/etc. For example, currently I’m on a fruit kick but a couple weeks ago, I was vaping custards. Variety of flavors is important as many people don’t want to vape tobacco flavored products.

Monday, Jul 27th 3:30AM


without the option of various flavors i dont think i would have been able to stop smoking it took trying several to find one that worked and now i enjoy having choices of flavors.
Sunday, Jul 26th 4:30PM


I started with a tobacco flavor that was absolutely terrible. It took a dragonfruit flavor and a coffee flavor that I rotated back and forth to finally get me to quit.
Saturday, Jul 25th 8:46PM


I never enjoyed the flavor of tobacco! If I had to choose between tobacco flavor and flavorless, I would go with flavorless!
Sunday, Jul 19th 11:12AM



Flavor is key.
Sunday, Jul 19th 9:50AM


screw tobacco
Sunday, Jul 19th 5:43AM


I LOVE the flavor thing. When I was on my trip, I had a vape pen with a berry e-juice. I only had the pen for convenience–not for intentional quitting. I found myself craving the flavored vape, even though I mentally thought I wanted a cigarette at first. When I realized the variety of flavors available, I knew I found a brand new way to enjoy having a vice whereas all the other smoking cessation products are so medicinal or they require the person to stop enjoying themselves. I didn’t start smoking just for the nicotine, and I certainly didn’t start with the expectation that I’d be chain smoking. Ever. I started because I wanted to enjoy an occasional
Saturday, Jul 18th 11:10PM


The flavor that helped made me quit cigarettes was a blueberry honey flavor and the flavor that i vape the most is a pear mint flavor.
Friday, Jul 17th 6:19PM


I love the wide variety of flavors I can obtain. Tobacco cigarettes have only a small handful of options.
Friday, Jul 17th 5:46PM


I hav an every day flavor that is my go to that I have been using for atleast 1.5 years now though I do try new flavors as there may be a new one that I like more.
Monday, Jul 13th 4:45PM



LOVE to try what’s new in flavors. just because I am an adult doesn’t mean I lost my taste buds
Monday, Jul 13th 2:11PM


As the sense of taste returned flavors were the greatest part of vaping and still are. On a side note, I know many users that vape flavors because they are Diabetic and it helps them with cravings.
Monday, Jul 13th 12:55PM


I pretty much have one special flavor I use consistently but get free samples with my orders, which is fun to try. Flavor was a big part of being able to quit.
Monday, Jul 13th 12:37PM


I mostly use the same flavour, but occasionally switch just for a change
Monday, Jul 13th 1:07PM


Flavours helped me enormously. I love trying new flavours. As my taste and sense of smell has returned, flavours are even more important. I’m addicted to flavour!
Monday, Jul 13th 11:54AM


I started with tobacco flavors initially, but found that just increased my desire for a cigarette. Part of wanting to quit smoking was also to get away from the smell. Why would I use a tobacco flavored/smelling e-liquid when I can use grape or raspberry, or other pleasant tasting and smelling e-liquid? I also found that removing the tobacco flavor/smell helped decrease my urge to have a cigarette.
Monday, Jul 13th 9:36AM



I absolutely LOVE the flavors that are available now! I have a major sweet tooth and have found the sweet flavors to not only curb my cigarette cravings but also satisfy my sweet tooth.. I have been able to lose a few pounds because I am not eating junk food as I was with cigarettes.. Another additional benefit? I’ll take it!
Monday, Jul 13th 7:10AM



I mainly use tobacco flavors but sometimes enjoy other flavors for variety.
Monday, Jul 13th 6:31AM



The dissociation of the nicotine intake and the taste and smell of tobacco was vital. I use fruity and bakery type flavors, and now the taste and smell of tobacco is disgusting to me.
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:39PM


I used exclusively tobacco at forster and then moved to fruit
Sunday, Jul 12th 9:19PM


I like my flavors, they are and always have been what keeps me vaping instead of smoking.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:18PM


I have flavor-ADD. I like switching flavors because it keeps things new and fresh for me. Having a variety of flavors, especially dessert and drink flavors, really helped me get away from tobacco because they tasted so much better.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:33PM


I’ve stopped smoking. I can’t see myself stopping vsping. Even if it’s 0 nic. It’s kind of like a hobby and I enjoy the clouds and flavour.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:03PM


I have one or two flavors that I use predominantly, but occasionally “mix it up” – The variety of options makes staying away from tobacco easier.
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:12PM


The variety of good flavors is what helps keep me away from cigarettes.If I were only limited to a few then I would resent the restriction and feel once again as if my choices were being controlled by something other than my own free will.
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:06PM


I love having all the flavors to choose from. I don’t use any that are tobacco flavored. I enjoy having the candy, fruit, and drink flavors. I always have several tanks and several flavors to choose from.
Sunday, Jul 12th 4:42PM


For me…I would go back to smoking without flavirs…Period Full stop
Sunday, Jul 12th 1:57PM


I have 2 or 3 regular flavours but like to try others as often as I can in case I find something I like even more!!
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:19PM


My husband and I now make our own flavors!
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:41PM


I stayed away from ANY tobacco flovored e juice.
Sunday, Jul 12th 2:04PM


Favourite is vimto flavour.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:50PM


The variety of flavors is what held my interest in the beginning. There is a learning curve to different equipment. I think if flavors were limited there wouldn’t be as big of an incentive to work through all of the fiddling and fixing the equipment
Sunday, Jul 12th 10:50AM


In the beginning, I didn’t want anything that would taste like my smoke. It’s always been about what taste good. I did NOt have much choice when I used fire to smoke. Now I use tobacco flavors as well as other flavors.
Sunday, Jul 12th 7:20AM


Variety of flavors is one the best parts of vaping!! Absolutely!
Sunday, Jul 12th 5:38AM


Once one can taste again, between 3 days and 2 weeks from quitting smoking flavors become extremely important as that is where one derives much of their pleasure from vaping. Restricting people to only menthol or “tobacco” flavors would be detrimental to vapers everywhere.
Sunday, Jul 12th 3:06AM


At the very beginning, Ry4 helped to satisfy the flavor craving for tobacco. Since, I’ve not wanted a tobacco flavor.
Sunday, Jul 12th 12:18AM


I used tobacco, bakery and candy flavors.
Saturday, Jul 11th 9:32PM


I prefer fruit and berry flavors, although I have an arsenal of flavors including dessert, nut and candy flavors that I will occasionally try for a change.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:23PM


Like many new vapers I had (mistakenly I now realise) thought I would only be able to use an ecig if it was as close to the smoking experience as possible (better the devil you know?) After trying a few different tobacco flavours – none of which tasted anything like real rollie tobacco – moved onto a mix of tobacco and chocolate. Now vape berry and chocolate flavours. It is important to me now after over 1 year of vaping that I do not inhale anything that tastes or reminds me even remotely of tobacco. Have no desire to try confectionery, dessert, menthol, mint, overly sweet or alcohol flavours.
Saturday, Jul 11th 11:10AM


Trying delicious new e liquids is so much fun and has become a hobby/treasure hunt for me find new vapors.
Saturday, Jul 11th 6:28AM


After trying different flavors, I came to realize how nasty tobacco tastes.
Saturday, Jul 11th 1:13AM


When I quit buying tobacco flavors I quit thinking about having a cigarette. Without flavors, I would probably have gone back to tobacco.

Friday, Jul 10th 11:48PM


I love fruit flavours, dessert flavours and the occasional tobacco flavour if it has caramel or vanilla overtones.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:34PM


I have three different flavors a day. and when I change liquid I change flavors. I have about 12 flavors to choose from. some sweet some caramel and some minty fruity.
Friday, Jul 10th 10:13PM


If there wasn´t no flavours I think I wouldn´t be interested. Flavours were the interesting part.
Thursday, Jul 9th 2:23PM


best to get away from tobacco flavour as fast as possible, once done you don’t like the taste of it anymore very fast and wouldn’t dream of smoking a real cigarette
Thursday, Jul 9th 10:03AM


Flavors played/plays a huge part for my sucess!
Tuesday, Jul 7th 11:55PM


I like spice flavors. My big 3 are clove, cinnamon and peppermint. I DIY my own juice, and am thinking about ordering some citrus flavors to see what I can make.
Tuesday, Jul 7th 10:58PM


Flavours are paramount
Sunday, Jul 5th 10:54AM


On day three of this switch, without a fruit flavoured juice, I would have gone back to smoking.
Friday, Jul 3rd 8:50AM


I went straight to the eGo-style vapor pen and my first flavors were vanilla and red cinnamon. I didn’t want anything that looked, felt, smelled, or tasted like a tobacco cigarette!
Tuesday, Jun 30th 8:49AM


Thanks to the flavors of e-cigs, I actually dislike the taste of real tobacco so much now, that I can never enjoy smoking tobacco again.
Tuesday, Jun 30th 3:22AM


Flavors are hugely important. I try 5 or 6 new flavors each month and have 4 regular flavors that I always keep on-hand. Without flavors I do not believe I would have quit smoking.
Monday, Jun 29th 3:10PM


I have my favourite, but I like to try others as well, if I hadn’t been able to try a range of flavours in the shop vaping would never have worked for me, what I like bears little resemblance to what I expected to like.

Sunday, Jun 28th 10:19PM


one of the main factors in me quitting was after being a dual user for a couple of weeks i couldnt handle the taste of a cigarette anymore even my normal brand that i smoked two packs at day of at one point tasted awful to me and since my cravings were taken care of i stopped.
Sunday, Jun 28th 12:40PM



Flavors are the reason I don’t use tobacco
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:34AM


I normally switch between 3 flavors but im always willing to try new ones
Sunday, Jun 28th 10:47AM



Hate tobacco flavors
Sunday, Jun 28th 11:00AM



Flavors are so important. Fact is cigarettes do not taste good to me and that was the first thing I wanted rid of was the taste of one.

Sunday, Jun 28th 9:46AM


Vaping is good and the flavors help alot. Flavors are basically oral fixation that help neglect my craving for cigs.
Sunday, Jun 28th 4:47AM


Mainly mint toffee, don’t do tobacco flavours any more
Sunday, Jun 28th 3:01AM



I stick to the fruity or candy flavors mostly.
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:45PM


Yes we adults do like nice flavours ! Strange that all public health organisations claim it’s all aimed at the kids ! get real people .
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:36PM



Love the choices of flavors & all the different tanks & mods to choose from
Saturday, Jun 27th 9:18PM


I love the candy, fruity, bakery flavored e-liquids.
Saturday, Jun 27th 7:05PM



Lemon Cotton Candy! Who knew? I love it!
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:25PM


I have found that finding the right flavor(s), plus the right nic level allowed me to quit smoking, once and for all.
Saturday, Jun 27th 2:57PM


I like my naturally extracted tobaccos but different flavors help break up the monotony
Saturday, Jun 27th 11:57AM


When I first started I used a tobacco flavor and it was good but it didn’t replicate the flavor of a cigarette completely so it just made me want actual tobacco so I switched to fruit flavors and it was much easier to quit and not think about cigarettes anymore.
Saturday, Jun 27th 10:15AM


I HATE tobacco flavours, they are awful. Hate the tobacco co flavours too, so artificial and nasty.
Saturday, Jun 27th 5:27AM


Vaping a strawberry cream right now. AMAZING. This, and cinnamon rolls are my favorites. Blueberry muffin…
Saturday, Jun 27th 1:19AM


I try out new flavors all the time
Saturday, Jun 27th 12:28AM


I have found both for myself and others that I know, it is much easier to quit on a non tobacco flavor.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:44PM


Reduced flavor over time, now i use almost none flavor.
Friday, Jun 26th 11:38AM


I started out with tobacco flavors, and once I tried fruit and others flavors couldn’t stand the taste of tobacco flavors anymore
Thursday, Jun 25th 8:08PM


One of the best and most immediate results achieved when quitting is not having to taste or smell tobacco smoke anymore.
Thursday, Jun 25th 3:55PM


I found it fascinating that I could vape banana, waffle, cotton candy, and so many others. I have to say that if I could no longer vape them I think it would be a very sad day for me. As if somebody said I could no longer eat my favorite foods and could only eat gruel for nourishment.
Thursday, Jun 25th 1:59PM


I did not stop smoking until I tried cherry flavor. That got me to throw away the cigarettes, now I use lots of flavors everyday

Thursday, Jun 25th 2:37PM


I enjoy vaping many different flavors. If I had only one flavor to vape it would be very boring.
Thursday, Jun 25th 11:37AM


I still have most of a bottle of “tobacco-flavored” liquid going unused, because it tastes awful. It was flavors like grape and caramel apple and vanilla and cupcakes that helped me get past smoking. I don’t think I could have done it without them.
Thursday, Jun 25th 12:18AM


I enjoy bakery, fruit, and drink flavors (coffees and teas mostly)
Thursday, Jun 25th 12:26AM


I ONLY vape FRUIT flavor e-liquids.

I find all others unpleasant including tobacco, menthol, desserts, custards, beverages and candy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 10:02PM


At first, I used tobacco flavors when I was a dual user but when I quit smoking all together I didn’t want to even taste the tobacco so the variety of flavors made it easy to keep vaping. If I get bored with one I pick another. If I had the small options of cherry, vanilla, tobacco or menthol (like the 1st generations offer) I’d still be smoking cigarettes.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 1:21PM


I switch flavors constantly though the day. I found early to start with switching flavours when I felt like smoking stopped the desire for tobacco. Later I found switching flavours also helped when I got vapers tongue. Vapers tongue is when vaping and it starts to lose flavour.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 7:58AM


Once I find a flavor I love, I keep it with me at all times. If Im searching for the next flavor I’ll keep a few different ones handy.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 9:01AM


I have 3 flavors that I stick with. I do not really go looking for new ones.
Wednesday, Jun 24th 6:32AM


I started with tobacco flavours but now I never use a tobacco flavour which I think helps
Wednesday, Jun 24th 12:32AM


Here, added for importance 12/13/15

“Popcorn” lung came up again in the news.

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt

The WONDERFUL folks over at Vapers.Org.UK

released a Special Edition on 12/12/15:

I suggest a tall glass of liquid to hydrate due to the high salt content!

A Bucket Of Popcorn.


If you’re in the USA-

please SEE THIS NOW.


Research is HERE.

Research is also HERE.

Medical Professionals at MOVE are HERE.


Please visit my website here.

You can sponsor the blog & website here if you like.

More to come!

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin.

The American Lung Association: Reducing Tobacco. The Litmus Test & Ulterior Motives

defendantsIt looks good on paper, doesn’t it? The caring about the children. The battle cry of well respected organizations, backed by other respected organizations.

 

It seems to the average reader or viewer to be well thought out concern. Their scathing letter to the President is below.

They must have one common goal. Tobacco harm reduction for the children. It says so right in the letter below! Well, I’d beg to differ, but I’m all over begging. I’m going to tell you the truth.


Litmus Test: A test that uses a single indicator to prompt a decision.

Reduction of tobacco USE worldwide is “everyone in public healths” goal.

Think about that.

The World Health Organization (W.H.O.) recently said they had a

TWENTY-FIVE year GOAL to reduce smoking.

That’s not a goal, that’s a plan to keep revenue.


Here’s the Litmus Test:

Do e-cigarettes reduce tobacco use?

Yes.


That should do it for ANY ORGANIZATION pretending they want less smoking.

Responsible organizations like (M.O.V.E) say e-cigarettes should be encouraged.

Period.

Those are Doctors. Scientists. Researchers. Medical Professionals. Are they all wrong?


There’s plenty of research but the irresponsible organizations in the photo above and letter they’ve SIGNED below are conveniently omitting from their calculations of math on the “worries of children” and public health.

Wait… they’re calculating the numbers… and it isn’t working out to their advantage.  What you may not realize is that

THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE A BUSINESS. FUNDING.


Now the irresponsible letter to the President from these people and their organizations, it’s short and to their point. I would think if I had the President’s attention, I’d mention the efforts in reducing tobacco. They want “regulation”.

Notice their letter doesn’t show any science, doesn’t ask to reduce TOBACCO, (they want to keep it around) just claims of children, flavors, and regulations (for tax revenue purposes) on e-cigarette use.


The Lung Association deleted it from their website, but this is a PDF

LungAssociation

which have been properly dismissed already right here

(By Sally Satel, a Doctor):

Why The CDC Has It Wrong About The Rise In Teen Vaping


Why are they so rushed to want the President to take action? Are they REALLY worried about kids?

I believe a couple on this list might actually care about children. I don’t think they do. They all have ulterior motive.

That’s harsh to say, right? You’d think so, but wait! They SIGNED their NAMES to this.  I’m just calling them out.


Litmus Test: A test that uses a single indicator to prompt a decision.

  Litmus Test. Do e-cigs take revenue away from organizations, both private and public? YES.

They most certainly do. That’s more like it.


Tobacco?

Of course! They’re LOSING cigarette sales! That’s why they’re falling on themselves to get into the market. Think of the money they’re losing!


 Public Health?

Yep. All forms of smoking-related health care will be needed less….and already IS. Doctor visits, hospital visits…less cancer, less heart issues…. breathing issues… less COPD… the list is endless. In ten years, if these organizations don’t get their way…

Think of the money they’re losing!


Tobacco Control – Research – Anti-Tobacco Services.

Lung Association, Stop smoking clinics. You know the rest….

Grants! Donations! $$$ Customers $$$  !

Think of the money they’re losing!

 

Pharmaceutical Companies!

 

Drug companies can’t sell their drugs to stop smoking (which if I remember have about a 7% success rate) and the drugs they also manufacture and SELL because of smoking illnesses….   $$$$$

Think of the money they’re losing!

 

Government? Well…. they’ve got the winning hand.

 

Yes they do. TAXES.

Think of the money they’re losing!

Their Ponzi Scheme


Are vaping and e-cigarettes are working and worthwhile as a harm reduction device?

When those who will lose money and not profit from it respond so vehemently and irresponsibly to it, something is wrong. They are not being truthful, and they have their financial reasons for it.

If they oppose it, they want you to smoke. If they know the “dangers” they claim, (MUCH LESS than smoking) they’d FIX those expediently with great care, and end tobacco as we know it in ten years. Not in 25. No sense in doing that, they won’t profit from it.

If there Is a deafening silence, they’re making profit already.

Think of the money they’re losing!


Clive Bates: About The Children

Real E-Cigarette Research & Science at www.ecigarette-research.org

(See The Vaping Truth Survey Results here)

Call those results biased? (See Beneficial Bias Here)

My letter to the President


fight


Keep ON #Vaping ON.

KevinSave