Vaping In The News – April 21st, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”



Wrigley Beats Vape Co. In Starburst, Skittles Flavors TM Row ~ E-cigarette brand’s 2.6M power units being recalled ~ Heat Not Burn ~ Sticks & Stones ~ Vaping’s potential to benefit public health exceeds its risks ~ Science Backs the FDA Down ~ Science Lesson ~ LIES, DAMNED LIES, & 400,000 SMOKING-RELATED DEATHS ~ CASAA FREE Membership Offered to Vapers ~ David Goerlitz ~ Clive Bates ~ FDA Inspection Proposal




Wrigley Beats Vape Co. In Starburst, Skittles Flavors TM Row

I’ll call this the “stop being idiots” link. STOP using trademarks. STOP using anything with cartoons.

Wrigley Beats Vape Co. In Starburst, Skittles Flavors TM Row


Two things:

1. Anyone using Vuse?
2. The “industry” is policing itself.

E-cigarette brand’s 2.6M power units being recalled


Heat Not Burn Products – The New Nicotine Alliance Steps Into The Debate

This isn’t my Father’s generation of choices – or lack thereof.

Whether I “like” the patch, gum, hypnosis, books, drugs, e-cigarettes – including cig-a-likes, snus, heat not burn, nicotine toothpicks, nicotine salts, high powered mods (where are those old ego starter kits) or acupuncture…. really doesn’t matter. Those are, along with tobacco control’s potpouri of guilt, demonizing, (my opinion) hocus pocus, feel good apps, classes, walks, straws (yes straws) and quitlines… many more ways suggested to not smoke (or smoke less) if a consumer decides. WHAT consumers use, how consumers get it, or who it’s made by… still really doesn’t matter.

Just as I’ve seen with kratom and CBD, I don’t use them and know little about them, never thinking I’d be anywhere near talking about those… but dammit… if they WORK…

I type this blog to speak fluently and informatively about those choices FOR the consumer to make educated choices based on their preferences and let them know the average success and failures of any product they may be interested in.

Despite where it comes from, what may work as a choice for a consumer is first. Let us not become them. Let us not fuck that up. (Thanks, Sarah Jakes.)

Heat Not Burn Products – The New Nicotine Alliance Steps Into The Debate


Related: Sticks & Stones

Sticks & Stones


Vaping’s potential to benefit public health exceeds its risks

“…those benefits represent a small fraction of the enormous harm caused by combustible tobacco…”

Vaping’s potential to benefit public health exceeds its risks


Nothing to see here, no manipulation of words here… move along.

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OR, do something about it HERE and HERE.


Science Backs the FDA Down

Science Backs the FDA Down (Vaping is Free)…


Science Lesson: Clinical Trial Evidence Debunks The ‘Vaping Impedes Smoking Cessation’ Claim

“the quality of an answer is highly dependent on the question that is being asked.”

Carl V. Phillips:

Science Lesson: Clinical Trial Evidence Debunks The ‘Vaping Impedes Smoking Cessation’ Claim


LIES, DAMNED LIES, & 400,000 SMOKING-RELATED DEATHS

Over the past few years I’ve heard “STOP repeating the lies of tobacco control” – or to that sentiment. We’ve all heard the “smoking-related” death numbers over the years. We’ve heard the claim “taxes lower deaths”. The latest WHO numbers went from 6 to 7 Million deaths… well, DrMA below has questioned that… (Don’t tell him how much I adore him, he might get a big head.)

I’ve questioned it – on the prompting of DrMA above (He’s such a bad influence)….. wondering with all the taxes going up, how could that number jump from 6 to 7 million….. so I’ve asked…

Meanwhile, Mike – over on Facebook – found this through Michael J. Mcfadden…. it seems I’ll never see “everything”, and as with anything you read… it’s worth the read.

LIES ,DAMNED LIES, & 400,000 SMOKING-RELATED DEATHS


CASAA FREE Membership Offered to Vapers

Because it’s there…

CASAA FREE Membership Offered to Vapers


DAVID GOERLITZ.

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Did I mention I love David? I’ll do that now. Having a front row seat is a pretty good view. David is approachable, kind and brutally honest.

He is for the consumer, vaper, smoker, and he’s far too intelligent and articulate to hold it in… David’s words:

“LAUNCHING E LIQUID LINE, PINNACLE CBD FLAVORED LINE, VAPE RADIO SHOW, PODCAST, ADVOCACY, AND CALL TO ACTIVISM TO HELP SMOKERS WHEN / IF THEY ARE READY TO QUIT SMOKING. MY DESIRE TO HELP EDUCATE AND HELP SAVE LIVES GROWS STRONGER EVERYDAY. TIME TO SEPARATE THE MEN AND THE WOMEN FROM THE BOYS AND THE GIRLS.

David G Signature Series (formerly known as the Winston Man). Thanks for your patience.

I was taught do it right the first time or don’t do it at all. There is no ( I ) in team. I have a great team that believes in me. Wont disappoint.”

David G Signature Series


Clive Bates

What else do you need to know…


FDA Inspection Proposal

For the professionals out there:

FDA Inspection Proposal Provides Valuable Insight Into Scope of Investigations



Bonus flashback article… my favorite #CrankyOldBroad, Skip… has been doing some research. Along with how I find things accidentally, she came across this:

FDA says tobacco law doesn’t apply to two smokeless lozenges


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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

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Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog. There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Vaping In The News – April 14th, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”



Ten perverse intellectual contortions: a guide to the sophistry of anti-vaping activists ~ The crusade against JUUL and other vaping products is childish, even for tobacco control ~ Untangling The Preemption Doctrine In Tobacco Control ~  Brilliance ~ Speaking of nicotine… ~ FLOC to begin national boycott of Reynolds’ e-cig product ~ FDA to offer a voluntary, more modern 510(k) pathway for enabling moderate risk devices ~ Cigar Trade Groups Petition Court to Delay Warning Label Requirements ~ CASAA Announces 2018 Board Election Results ~ So much to do ~ The Truth




Ten perverse intellectual contortions: a guide to the sophistry of anti-vaping activists

Bookmark worthy, Via Clive Bates.

Ten perverse intellectual contortions: a guide to the sophistry of anti-vaping activists

Also from Clive:

The US media is losing its mind over vaping and Juul – the questions a credible journalist should ask


The crusade against JUUL and other vaping products is childish, even for tobacco control

Paul Blair. Because childish tobacco control experts rule the playground.

The crusade against JUUL and other vaping products is childish, even for tobacco control


UNTANGLING THE PREEMPTION DOCTRINE IN TOBACCO CONTROL
They don’t like being hindered for the Tobacco 21 movement.
In case you’re unaware, I want to be very clear of my position on Tobacco 21. 18 year olds in the United States are LEGAL adults. Period.
The “Tobacco 21” movement (in most cases) takes away both the legal right of an adult to choose to smoke and it bundles in restricting vaping products for 18-20 year olds as well.

“Preemption can be a thorny issue when it comes to assessing a local government’s ability to adopt tobacco control measures. Preemption arises in different forms, and a locality’s ability to address tobacco may be preempted by laws both within and outside tobacco-specific legislation.”

UNTANGLING THE PREEMPTION DOCTRINE IN TOBACCO CONTROL

Related:

Rexburg City Council rescinds Tobacco 21 ordinance

Rexburg City Council rescinds Tobacco 21 ordinance

Speaking of raising the age for tobacco:

Increasing the MLPA to 21 years in NYC did not accelerate reductions in youth tobacco use any more rapidly than declines observed in comparison sites.

Impact of New York City’s 2014 Increased Minimum Legal Purchase Age on Youth Tobacco Use


I call out brilliance as I see it:


Speaking of nicotine…

The University of Pennsylvania and Johns Hopkins University joined in an experiment…

I’ll paste the fun stuff, you can read the whole article below:

I assume no humans were harmed or judged by how quickly they buried marbles and ate food. BOLD, underlining and italics are my emphasis… and joy to do.

“Obviously, humans are not exactly like mice, and these early findings can’t be applied to us.”

 

Limitations

The study does suggest that metformin may ease some nicotine withdrawal symptoms, due to its action on the AMPK chemical pathway in the brain. However, this has so far been tested only in mice, which were given nicotine via an implanted pump and injected with metformin – the drug is taken orally in humans – with withdrawal symptoms judged by how quickly they buried marbles and ate food.

While there are similarities in many of our biological pathways, humans are obviously not identical to mice, and these results can’t be taken to mean that metformin would be a suitable or appropriate treatment to help people stop smoking.

Metformin May Help With Nicotine Withdrawal Symptoms


Bonus Thowback:

In my travels… this is from 2002 is reminiscent of….

Nicotine water… I don’t remember it, I never heard of it… suddenly, there it was on a post from Chris Hughes

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Photo credit (Used with permission):  Victoria Vasconcellos

FDA Shuts Off Nicotine Water Spigot


FLOC to begin national boycott of Reynolds’ e-cig product

Uh…huh.

The Toledo-based Farm Labor Organizing Committee is launching a national boycott of Reynolds American, Inc.’s VUSE e-cigarette brand, with demonstrations planned this week outside convenience stores in more than 60 cities.

FLOC to begin national boycott of Reynolds’ e-cig product


Tobacco Controllers Again Silent About Glantz Misconduct Allegations

Tobacco Controllers Again Silent About Glantz Misconduct Allegations


FDA to offer a voluntary, more modern 510(k) pathway for enabling moderate risk devices

It doesn’t say e-cigarettes… but… if that’s the route taken, NO. E-cigarettes are not a medical device.

“Substantial equivalence is rooted in a comparison between a new device and a predicate device” …

FDA to offer a voluntary, more modern 510(k) pathway for enabling moderate risk devices to more efficiently demonstrate safety and effectiveness


Cigar Trade Groups Petition Court to Delay Warning Label Requirements

So is it a possibility, in your mind, that the premium cigar industry is going to spend millions of dollars updating these boxes and putting labels on them, only to be told later on, didn’t have to do it?

Cigar Trade Groups Petition Court to Delay Warning Label Requirements Following FDA’s ANPRM


CASAA Announces 2018 Board Election Results

CASAA Announces 2018 Board Election Results


SO much to do.

Vendors… brick and mortar…  this is part of the FDA’s “Regulate, restrict, tax and ban” plan of your business


SO much to do, II

If you are in the industry, you NEED to show this to EVERY customer. Give your customers information. Give them a discount. Whatever you NEED to do to stay – you know – in business…

U.S.A. Only Survey

If I have to explain it to you, see this here.


The Truth

(Now Truth Initiative) Thanks to my favorite #CrankyOldBroad, Skip for pointing me to this!

I suggest you give this 2009 article some attention…

The Truth About American Legacy




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Research:


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Vaping In The News April 7th, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”

For Smokers Trying to Quit, Information Could Be Key ~ Dr. Attila Danko: How Tobacco Control Saved Big Tobacco ~ U.S.A. Only Survey ~ NIDA’s E-Cigarette ~ Tobacco Alternative Gums Market: Sales Volume, Revenue and Growth Rate Forecast ~ Huh ~ Explaining the discontinuation of a non-tobacco nicotine project at Philip Morris: obstacles to innovation. ~ Nicotine As An Addictive Substance ~ Public Health Implications of Raising the Minimum Age of Legal Access to Tobacco Products ~ Patent Filings Increase for E-Cigarettes, 3-D Printing and Machine Learning ~ Law Review Calls Out FDA For Destroying Vaping Industry ~ Harvard Public Health: “E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, no question.” ~ Global Forum On Nicotine ~ UCSF professor faces second sexual harassment lawsuit




For Smokers Trying to Quit, Information Could Be Key

Ya think?

For Smokers Trying to Quit, Information Could Be Key


Dr. Attila Danko: How Tobacco Control Saved Big Tobacco

YES.

Dr. Attila Danko: How Tobacco Control Saved Big Tobacco


U.S.A. ONLY:

I know we’re a community. I’ve participated in surveys worldwide. I conducted one myself. This one is United States participants only and designed specifically with F.D.A. guidelines.

Are you in the United States?

Did you fill out the survey for flavors yet?


NIDA’s E-Cigarette

Well… how about that.

NIDA’s E-Cigarette


Tobacco Alternative Gums Market: Sales Volume, Revenue and Growth Rate Forecast

The usual suspects:

“One of the important growth factors for the global tobacco alternative gums market is the increasing price of cigarettes.”

Tobacco Alternative Gums Market: Sales Volume, Revenue and Growth Rate Forecast


Huh.

Explaining the discontinuation of a non-tobacco nicotine project at Philip Morris: obstacles to innovation.

Imagine if you can, in 1994 there was something developed called a “Capillary Aerosol Generator” (CAG)… and guess what…

So, why was CAG development ultimately abandoned? During his deposition and witness statement, PM’s expert witness and former employee, Peter Lipowicz, mentions that technological barriers, consumer acceptance, and an US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approach that disadvantaged non-tobacco nicotine products were chiey responsible…
He says that CAG development was less attractive due to legal challenges about the addictiveness of nicotine and fears about overarching tobacco industry regulation, more so than regulatory barriers specic to non-tobacco cigarettes…

Explaining the discontinuation of a non-tobacco nicotine project at Philip Morris: obstacles to innovation


Nicotine “addiction”

Bear with me…. and my favorite subject…

Because of the tweet from “Industry Documents” showing Philip Morris had tried a device in 1994 containing this link about a “Capillary Aerosol Generator” (CAG) above…

What caught my eye in that article “He says that CAG development was less attractive due to legal challenges about the addictiveness of nicotine“….and that legal challenges of nicotine – of course -caught my attention… so I looked up “legal challenges nicotine 1994” on Google…  because I’m an inquisitive and persistant bastard…

Which led me to this from 2001, buried :

“The effects of nicotine on the brain are similar to those of sugar, salt, exercise, and other harmless substances and events”

“There are so many findings that conflict so starkly with the view that nicotine is addictive that it increasingly appears that adhering to the nicotine addiction thesis is only defensible on extra-scientific grounds.”

Nicotine as an Addictive Substance: A Critical Examination of the Basic Concepts and Empirical Evidence


Public Health Implications of Raising the Minimum Age of Legal Access to Tobacco Products

“conclusions about the likely effect of raising the minimum age to 19, 21, and 25 years on tobacco use initiation.”

“OTHER TOBACCO PRODUCTS” section [which includes e-cigarettes] uses data from 2011 and 2012 surveys  (Thanks to Bill Tarling for that).

Public Health Implications of Raising the Minimum Age of Legal Access to Tobacco Products


Patent Filings Increase for E-Cigarettes, 3-D Printing and Machine Learning

Huh. Guess who’s in there………..

Patent Filings Increase for E-Cigarettes, 3-D Printing and Machine Learning


Law Review Calls Out FDA For Destroying Vaping Industry

“The FDA reached beyond its scope of authority in passing the Deeming Rule, including a broad variety of what it defines as “tobacco products” to be heavily regulated, amounting to a burden threatening to send local shops out of business.”

Law Review Calls Out FDA For Destroying Vaping Industry


Harvard Public Health

“E-cigs are safer than cigarettes, no question.”

Since everyone likes to take the headline and move on, I’ve done so myself – and have been saying it since 2013.

Global Forum On Nicotine 2018

An awesome looking bunch:

Global Forum On Nicotine Speakers Bios


UCSF professor faces second sexual harassment lawsuit

There is no question e-cigarettes are safer than………… and along with it, fraud.

UCSF professor faces second sexual harassment lawsuit




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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


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Kevin

 

U.S.A. Only Survey

United States ONLY Survey.

Via Dimitris Agrafiotis

“Spread it like wildfire”


Via Bill Tarling:

“ALSO IMPORTANT: Only 1 submission per person — don’t set up multiple fake accounts (we don’t want FDA to have any excuse claiming bot or fake submissions were used)”.


Via Dr. Konstantinos Farsalinos:

Of crucial importance, we need absolute honesty in your responses so that we have realistic and representative results. Best regards to all vapers in the US.


USA Only.

A Survey of Users of Vapor Products:

https://secure.dacimasoftware.net/CSURES/View/Survey/SurveyDataEntry.aspx


THEN:

FDA wants comments

Comments are being accepted on the regulation of flavors….on their (in my opinion) already decided rules.

Submit yours, then have everyone in your email list do it as well. Then, have them have everyone on their email list do that as well…

Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products

Kevin

Vaping In The News – March 31st, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”



FDA WANTS COMMENTS ~ E-cigarettes and the obsolescence of combustion ~ Petition ~ Topeka “Tobacco 21” Ordinance Turned Down by Judge ~ The difference between a snafu, a shitshow, and a clusterfuck ~  The Road To Criminalizing Tobacco Product Users ~ Chef Stan’s Cookbook ~  U.S. Health Groups File Suit To Expedite More Smoking ~ An Open Letter ~ Rethinks Attitude… ~ Keep Smoking We Need The Money ~ California Catastrophe ~




FDA wants comments

Comments are being accepted on the regulation of flavors….on their (in my opinion) already decided rules.

Submit yours, then have everyone in your email list do it as well. Then, have them have everyone on their email list do that as well…

Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products


E-cigarettes and the obsolescence of combustion

“…substantial proportions of the population wrongly believe that e-cigarettes are as dangerous as combustible cigarettes…. Unfavorable press coverage, negative campaigns by e-cigarette opponents, and lack of training of health professionals may explain this situation.”

E-cigarettes and the obsolescence of combustion


Topeka “Tobacco 21” Ordinance Turned Down by Judge

Adult choices are adult choices. I wonder why the “Tobacco 21” movement isn’t going state by state rather than each individual local city/town… 50 times rather than hundreds of times… publicity – public opinion – wasting valuable time for those opposed?

A #CrankyOldBroad whispered in my ear – if they get the towns, they can manipulate the states… and most – if not all – of these “Tobacco 21” moments are including e-cigarettes… take all the time you need with that…… Either way, Topeka said “NO“.

Topeka “Tobacco 21” Ordinance Turned Down by Judge


Petition:

Reject Proposed 75% Tax on NJ Vapor Industry – it’ll take you less than 2 minutes.

Reject Proposed 75% Tax on NJ Vapor Industry

Directly related:

Have you ever wondered WHY they wanted to classify nicotine as “tobacco”? Because smokers paid that tax, not tobacco companies. Now, not that I like smokers still paying tax, I DON’T. Not any more than liking people NOT smoking paying the tax.

However, because they can impose tobacco taxes on a NON-tobacco product like e-liquid…. (and tops, and batteries according to National Tobacco Day)

Nothing says #KeepSmokingWeNeedTheMoney, #PonziScheme and “return on investment” like bonds that “were based on assumptions that cigarette smoking declines would not exceed 4 percent annually.”

Sounds like it’s about health, eh? 👇

New Jersey to refund junk tobacco bonds for $3.2 billion of high-grade paper

Kentucky is doing the same thing.

Tobacco taxes are just part of the conversation…. We have holes in state revenue that we have to fill. How we do that is going to be how we get out of the session.”

Sounds like it’s about health, eh? 👇

Kentucky lawmakers meet privately with tobacco lobbyist as cigarette tax discussions continue


You can advertise YOUR text link or banner!

The difference between a snafu, a shitshow, and a clusterfuck

This explains the nature of the e-cigarette fight to a “T”.

I don’t normally use “cuss” words on my blog – because it seems to me I can get my point across without them – allowing new readers to see the point and cuss themselves….

Also, this would be the first time I’ve had all out “PG” rating to a link on my blog, and because of the nature of it, I’m happy to do so.

The difference between a snafu, a shitshow, and a clusterfuck


The Road To Criminalizing Tobacco Product Users

Sounds like it’s about health, eh? 👇

The Road To Criminalizing Tobacco Product Users


Chef Stan’s Cookbook

Again…. overcooked!

Chef Stan’s Cookbook


Anti-Vaping Groups Sue the FDA to Reinstate the 2018 PMTA Deadline

Recommended reading from Jim McDonald here:

Anti-Vaping Groups Sue the FDA to Reinstate the 2018 PMTA Deadline


And Carl:

Anti-Tobacco Groups Sue FDA Over Vape Ban Timing. But Why?


U.S. Health Groups File Suit To Expedite More Smoking

Admittedly, Jim and Carl were better, now via… me:

U.S. Health Groups File Suit To Expedite More Smoking


An Open Letter

Via David Dorn

An Open Letter to PHE and other “supporters” of ecigs and TRR. (Tobacco RISK Reduction)

AND from David:

David was someone who emailed me early on while conducting my survey (2014) explaining I had nicotine strength (and addiction) all wrong… I didn’t have any higher than 24… he explained strengths went higher…much higher. He explained why.

From the “pleasure principle” to many other things, I learn from this man, I appreciate this man.

Rethink attitudes…


Californian Catastrophe

In the world of funny, this is sad, and this is funny. Not because I was one mentioned within –  because it shows the power of a headline and the lack of intelligence from anyone immediately involved taking it upon themselves to jump on the stupidity bandwagon… and this is why we can’t have nice things.

It is also why, when I as a consumer, do not understand something, I ask someone smarter than I am to explain it. Of course, that practice is evidently not a familiar thing to do among professionals….they just toss it out and… well, I’ve taken up way too much of your time:

Californian Catastrophe


Please, tell the FDA what you think.




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If you own a vape shop and have photos that I can use of customers who are trying to switch, or have switched similar to the one above, please email me directly with those (and the legal ability to use them) to vapingit@outlook.com.

Add names – company name –  number of years the customer smoked, flavor chosen…etc… and any credit you may want for the photo as desired.

 




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Research:


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Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin


 

U.S. Health Groups File Suit To Expedite More Smoking

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Political front groups have admitted efforts of doing their alleged “jobare useless to “protect children”. Again.

The “American Academy of Pediatrics and its Maryland chapter, American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, American Heart Association, American Lung Association, Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids, Truth Initiative and five individual pediatricians” filed a lawsuit in a Maryland court on March 27th to expedite more smoking in the United States.

Basically it states:

Because we’re unable to fulfill our “mission statement” of “protecting kids”, we oppose any opportunity for adults to stop smoking with a less harmful product that we’re not fully collecting taxes on. Until we’re happy, ain’t nobody gonna be happy.


“The leading cause of funding for tobacco control is taxes derived from smoking.”


“Think of the children™”

They’re not doing enough. Saying “nicotine” is tobacco and creating National Tobacco Day in 2016 just isn’t enough. Knowing gateways do not exist isn’t enough. Not proving  “nicotine addiction” or gateways exist just isn’t enough.

Each political “non-profit” front group wants the Food and Drug Administration to “act quickly” to regulate, restrict, tax and ban “e-cigarettes” for fear there will be less smokers.


“What are the health implications of deceiving smokers by regulating e-cigarettes as “tobacco” products”?


Also stated in the press release:

“the groups strongly support the FDA’s new efforts to reduce nicotine levels in *cigarettes*….”

FDA review “should remove from the commercial marketplace those tobacco products that pose the greatest health risks

Wouldn’t that be cigarettes? Maybe it’s just me.


“Show me the latest photo of a professional tobacco control / public health “expert” “protecting” a child from “tobacco” and I’ll show you an unemployed expert.”


A recent interview on ABC Australia with Matt Myers has a telling quote about “lower nicotine cigarettes”. I think he was having a hard time reading the monitor.

“Our FDA has laid out a comprehensive scheme…”  “to have – use products that won’t kill them.”

Coming soon to a convenience store near you:

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You can find out how to keep smoking  – with lower nicotine cigarettes here.


#LOUDER. MAKE some NOISE.

When you’re done, and because e-cigarettes are classified as tobacco (I swear people don’t know this), I IMPLORE you to (respectfully) comment directly on the “proposed rule” of 2,826 others (as of 3/28/2018) on “regulating flavors in tobacco products” here.


Recommended reading from Jim McDonald here:

Anti-Vaping Groups Sue the FDA to Reinstate the 2018 PMTA Deadline

And recommended from Carl V. Phillips here:

Anti-Tobacco Groups Sue FDA Over Vape Ban Timing. But Why?


Then, for good measure, I suggest watching this from Dr. Steven J. Allen and the Capital Research Center.

 




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Research:


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Keep ON #Vaping On.

 

Vaping In The News – March 24th, 2018

news14Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat-not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

 “The largest threat to Public Health, Tobacco Control and your Government – is an informed consumer.”

 




Twenty One – What if we limit adulting to just one age? ~ FDA Working Double Shifts ~ Prevalence of current cigarette smoking among adults ~ Pfizer’s quit-smoking Chantix fails study in adolescent smokers ~ Ball squeezing ~ Prevalence of current cigarette smoking among adults ~ How The FDA Plan To Take Nicotine Out Of Cigarettes Will Fuel Terrorism ~ State Policies Help Promote Misperception That Nicotine Causes Cancer ~ Chris Price ~ FDA Is About to Crack Down on Non-Compliant Vapes ~ Loise Ross ~ Anti-Smoking Bigots Trying to Kill Smokers and the Vaping Industry ~ Ending Global Confusion ~ CASAA




Twenty One – What if we limit adulting to just one age?

She’s a vaping ex-smoker who fights for what is right. Some (including me) call her a #CrankyOldBroad.

Twenty One – What if we limit adulting to just one age?


FDA Working Double Shifts

To say I’ve met my match in wit with this lady… is an understatement.

FDA Working Double Shifts


Pfizer’s quit-smoking Chantix fails study in adolescent smokers

“Think of the children™.”

I don’t know how pissed off I am after seeing this article. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. “If “children” are *already smoking, they’re *smokers regardless of age.”

Controlled or not, it is ok to fail its study to test “safety and effectiveness” using 12-17-year-old kids with a *known* dangerous and previously BLACK BOXED drug.

Evidently. If anyone has the actual study… I’d like to read it and have someone explain it to me properly.

Pfizer’s quit-smoking Chantix fails study in adolescent smokers


This is the “pisses me off” part of the news, part II.

If you’re not on Twitter, I suggest you join. Below is just an excerpt of Marita Hefler explaing she has “qualitative” expertise in response to Jenni Biebert. The obvious part about being qualitative is the disregard for consumers throughout the thread, despite the response below.

She talks TO smokers (not with them, I assume) and for the record believes e-cigs “have a limited role” in reducing smoking in Australia. The louder the scream test, the more she  – and those like her – expose their true mission.


Speaking of missions, here’s that ball squeezing study Colin was tweeting about:


Prevalence of current cigarette smoking among adults

US adult smoking rates are below 15% for the first time *ever* in history at 14.1%

You’re smart people…. (you’re welcome.)

Think about it…….. smoking rates are the lowest in history.

Don’t worry yourselves about “transparency”  by the government(s) with *wink* science.

There would NEVER be *wink* a black market for cigarettes.

Meanwhile, Dr. Gottlieb, with growing support of political “health” front groups – are working feverishly to *encourage* “lower nicotine” cigarettes… while trying to all but decimate e-cigarettes into oblivion.

Prevalence of current cigarette smoking among adults


How The FDA Plan To Take Nicotine Out Of Cigarettes Will Fuel Terrorism

Yep.

How The FDA Plan To Take Nicotine Out Of Cigarettes Will Fuel Terrorism


State Policies Help Promote Misperception That Nicotine Causes Cancer

Yep.

State Policies Help Promote Misperception That Nicotine Causes Cancer

From Chris Price:

Nicotine does not initiate carcinogenesis but promotes tumor development, so does nicotine replacement therapy help or hinder cancer development?


FDA Is About to Crack Down on Non-Compliant Vapes

You’ve been warned:

FDA Is About to Crack Down on Non-Compliant Vapes

Not only have you been warned, you’ll pay for it.

Vape Inspection IDIQ


Looking back, but forwards too – guest posting by Louise Ross

In the UK, where trying to convince people became enthusiastic truth… without wagging fingers…. A much-admired woman I consider one of the pioneers… of helping people… in the midst of a hostile tobacco control environment. 👇

Looking back, but forwards too – guest posting by Louise Ross

Another:

Happy retirement, Louise Ross

Louise’s contributions impacted this:

Seizing the opportunity: E-cigarettes and Stop Smoking Services – linking the most popular with the most effective


Anti-Smoking Bigots Trying to Kill Smokers and the Vaping Industry

From the American Council on Science and Health.

I know. Hard to believe, but here it is.

Anti-Smoking Bigots Trying to Kill Smokers and the Vaping Industry


Ending Global Confusion

I’ll need about eight minutes more of your time.


A loss.

Some of us, over the years, have met each other, helped each other, counseled one another. We are a community that impact each other on a grand scale. Within a community, we fight (sometimes within, often for each other). Within that global community, on occasion there are losses of what we consider casual relationships online right down to knowing people as friends – well beyond a tweet or facebook exchange, treat each other as family.

Personally, I am reminded of finally meeting Ann at the premiere of A Billion Lives in 2016. We lost her last year. She was one who impacted so many behind the scenes as she did online. Karen Lee a.k.a Fiamma Palermo from 2015 who used the #ImProof hashtag, Alice Dalton of the Vape Help & Vape Safe Facebook group who was always cheerful and helpful to everyone.

Another via James in Ohio this week was Keith Ross, Sr.

I ask you to think about their contributions… and YOUR contribution to what has changed your life. Start a blog, tweet, join groups, make some NOISE. Imagine the impact you can have on others and the future with this fight. Often I am inspired by others just from a statement in a group or a tweet. Learn from each other. Stop asking what can you do – start doing.


CASAA

#Consumers #vaping #ecigs #LOUder.

Joining, learning and keeping up to date with CASAA is free here:
Join CASAA

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Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog. There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Vaping In The News – March 17th, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”



Smokers Deserve Improved FDA E-Cigarette Regulation: Pass Cole-Bishop ~ Report from the WCToH 2018 conference in Cape Town ~ #WCTOH2018 (5 of them) ~ Italian Authorities Raid Vaping Expo, Seize Product ~ IQOS?(2 of them) ~ Tobacco Product Taxes Are Regressive. And Punitive.~ The FDA wants to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes to “non-addictive levels” ~ How Will FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Affect Vaping? ~ FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Rule Is A Dire Threat To Vaping ~ Bonus Section!


Think of the children™.


Smokers Deserve Improved FDA E-Cigarette Regulation: Pass Cole-Bishop

Dr. Rodu…..

Smokers Deserve Improved FDA E-Cigarette Regulation: Pass Cole-Bishop


Report from the WCToH 2018 conference in Cape Town

Interesting slice of info.

Report from the WCToH 2018 conference in Cape Town

………..and………..

The Cult-Like Stupidity At #WCTOH2018

Because Dick Puddlecote is extremely aware…

The Cult-Like Stupidity At #WCTOH2018

………..and………..

Tobacco Control’s Orwellian Statement Of ‘Human Rights’ From #WCTOH2018

Carl, Nuff said…….

Tobacco Control’s Orwellian Statement Of ‘Human Rights’ From #WCTOH2018

………and……….

Tobacco Control Addicts

I think I’ve found the same level of snark I try to get you to enjoy with my blog… I need to blog more…

Tobacco Control Addicts

……..and……….

‘Oh, what a lovely war’ – on reason itself

Outstanding….via Paddy Costall

‘Oh what a lovely war’ – on reason itself


I don’t understand, David! Ruffling feathers isn’t… yes it is. #Louder.


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Italian Authorities Raid Vaping Expo, Seize Product

Don’t you come in here trying to get the government to lose money… more to it that that.

Italian Authorities Raid Vaping Expo, Seize Product


My favorite #CrankyOldBroad has found an accomplice….


IQOS: Good Thing, or Bad?

From Paul, a review of sorts… can’t wait to try one…

IQOS: Good Thing, or Bad?

The In-Between

LOVE this as well…. different perspective.

The In-Between


Tobacco Product Taxes Are Regressive. And Punitive.

Again, Carl…

Tobacco Product Taxes Are Regressive. And Punitive.


The FDA is accepting comments for “standards” in combustible cigarettes.

I’ve covered “lowering nicotine” here and here. “Addiction” is here.

“Tobacco Product Standard for Nicotine Level of Combusted Cigarettes”


The FDA wants to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes to “non-addictive levels”

Of course they do.

The FDA wants to reduce the nicotine in cigarettes to “non-addictive levels”


How Will FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Affect Vaping?

Required reading for you who’ve made it this far down…

How Will FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Affect Vaping?


FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Rule Is A Dire Threat To Vaping

One more time. And really, listen as you read.

FDA’s Low-Nicotine Cigarettes Rule Is A Dire Threat To Vaping


FDA Creates Cigarette Confusion- Calls For Science To Back Up Policy

It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.

It is an area which we call The #KeepSmokingWeNeedTheMoney Zone.

FDA Creates Cigarette Confusion- Calls For Science To Back Up Policy


This isn’t like “lowering nicotine” hasn’t been tried before…

from 1989:

“The ultra-low-nicotine cigarette is the latest entry in an increasingly feverish race among tobacco manufacturers to stop a decline of 2 percent a year in cigarette consumption in the United States. (Sound familiar?)

”It’s a pretty common, patented process that we’re all aware of,” said Douglas Keeney, chairman of C. A. Blockers. He said his company had experimented with eliminating nicotine, but had abandoned it as being too slow and unwieldy.”

Low-Nicotine Cigarette for Philip Morris

And here if necessary to continue the very silly point….

Very Low Nicotine Cigarettes




Lowering nicotine in cigarettes “bonus section”.

I don’t think I’ve ever given out a bonus on my blog… so there’s that. I take my position blogging as a consumer seriously. While I appreciate my regular readers, I also want smokers who are curious (or afraid) to find answers. I ask questions; how will a new idea to reduce smoking and dangers from inhaling smoke (like IQOS above) by choice “work”? Are they better? Are they the same?

Along those lines, same goes with the ever-popular “reduced nicotine” claim.

As far as “other chemicals go”….. “experts” (a term I’ve finally come to admit is rather funny) aren’t saying a reduction of anything but nicotineif they are making that claim, PLEASE let me know.

Moving on – You knew this was coming. So – I have to ask. This morning, Cliff Doug – “VP for Tobacco Control, American Cancer Society, and faculty, University of Michigan School of Public Health” answered my 1st question “What exactly will be different from 1989?”.

Being a smartass with his response, which I do appreciate, I asked the question again… (***politely for the record***) with obvious repercussions if he answered. We both knew that…..

Cliff Douglass himself recently unblocked us on Twitter – for some strange reason – maybe he likes a challenge. Challenge accepted.

I wonder if he’s calling someone? Is he unavailable suddenly for comment? Must be something like that. He left me standing on the edge of a ….

Cliff simply…..hasn’t answered yet. I won’t hold my breath, but the sound of silence is deafening.

After all, all he was just tweeting about is what would have a dramatic impact on public health.

I’ll blog about that this week along with David Goerlitz and more… you’ve been warned.




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Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

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Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog. There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

Vaping In The News – March 10th, 2018

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Vaping In The News

Covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”

Smoking Is ‘Falling Like A Rock’ ~ HnB and vaping – We’re on the same side! ~ Public (Health) Image Limited ~ 75% tax on e-cigarettes ~ Are There Metals In Vapor? No Need To Worry ~ Battery-related burns 2016 ~ The e-cigarette industry: The most unfairly treated industry in history ~ The First Amendment ~ Why NNA supports all forms of tobacco harm reduction ~ A Terrified Industry ~ How Low Will They Go? ~ Just Who Is Actually Marketing Vapes To Children? ~ IQOS: Good Thing, or Bad? ~ Lawmakers in Connecticut Consider Cigarette Tax Increase ~ Starve them into submission




Smoking Is ‘Falling Like A Rock’ In Iceland Thanks To The ‘Blessing’ Of Vaping

Say it isn’t so…

Smoking Is ‘Falling Like A Rock’ In Iceland Thanks To The ‘Blessing’ Of Vaping


HnB and vaping – We’re on the same side!

I’m not sure you’re aware…

HnB and vaping – We’re on the same side!


Public (Health) Image Limited

Last week Jester published (and highly recommended) this blog.  This week, a follow up. Excellent.

Public (Health) Image Limited


A Billion Lives & The Winston Man: The Exclusive Interview

A Billion Lives & The Winston Man: The Exclusive Interview


Mic Drop.

A political front group tries to call out Derek Yach.


You can advertise YOUR text link or banner!

Keep not smoking, we need the money.

This is very annoying.

The State of New Jersey is considering a 75% tax on e-cigarettes


Battery-related burns 2016

*Note* the actual and “National estimate” columns within…..

Covered before here, practice battery safety.

Stop setting yourselves on fire.

Electronic nicotine delivery system (ENDS) battery-related burns presenting to US emergency departments, 2016


Tobacco control and the tobacco industry – a failure of understanding and imagination

Clive…

Tobacco control and the tobacco industry – a failure of understanding and imagination


The e-cigarette industry: The most unfairly treated industry in history

Among others, this is also true.

The e-cigarette industry: The most unfairly treated industry in history


The First Amendment Applies to the FDA Too

Louder.

The First Amendment Applies to the FDA Too


Why NNA supports all forms of tobacco harm reduction

Because it’s reduction in harm:

Why NNA supports all forms of tobacco harm reduction


A Terrified Industry

This week, #WCTOH2018 was tweeting themselves silly with taxes, regulation and saving themselves.

A Terrified Industry



Related from Carl:

How low will they go?

How Low Will They Go? The Irony From The World Conference On Tobacco Or Health


Just Who Is Actually Marketing Vapes To Children?

Just Who Is Actually Marketing Vapes To Children?


IQOS: Good Thing, or Bad?

As I’ve said somewhere before in my blog, I will (and look forward to) trying the IQOS when it is available in the U.S.A.

Paul has.

IQOS: Good Thing, or Bad?


Lawmakers in Connecticut Consider Cigarette Tax Increase

Of course they consider it.

Ladies & Gentlemen, Lindsey Stroud:

Lawmakers in Connecticut Consider Cigarette Tax Increase


Starve them into submission

Excellent.

Starve them into submission


Studies, Health, Data & Science:

Do flavouring compounds contribute to aldehyde emissions in e-cigarettes?

Do flavouring compounds contribute to aldehyde emissions in e-cigarettes?

Are There Metals In Vapor? No Need To Worry

Are There Metals In Vapor? No Need To Worry


Have you met my OUR friends at vapers.org.uk? 

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You can find me here trying to be cordial on Facebook

You can find me here being a bit more evil on Twitter

You can also find me on LinkedIn


Tobacco Harm Reduction For Life

GONZO GIVES




Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 

A Billion Lives

A Billion Lives


think

Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog. There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Vaping In The News – March 3rd, 2018

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Vaping In The News covers media stories on smoking, vaping, e-cigarettes, snus, heat not burn, tobacco control, public health, government regulations, policies and more.

“The largest threat to Public Health is an informed consumer.”



A Long Letter to Ms. Kimmel for MN House ~ Vaping vs Smoking ~ Beyond the Headlines, E-Cigarette Vapor Has Only Trace Amounts of Metals ~ Dr. Farsalinos Discredits “Toxic Metal” Study For Being Misleading ~ Testimony Before the Indiana Public Health Committee ~ Is it possible that nicotine ~ Air monitoring ~ Landmark U.S. Study ~ And Still We Stand Back Meekly ~ Lamppost Epidemiology ~ These are some of the people ~ Smoke Free Radio


A Long Letter to Ms. Kimmel for MN House

Skip has an undeniable knack to get to the heart of the matter. Without question, she has once again outdone herself.

A Long Letter to Ms. Kimmel for MN House


Vaping vs Smoking: 40 experts teach you healthier alternative

I was asked to participate in this.

Vaping vs Smoking: 40 experts teach you healthier alternative


Beyond the Headlines, E-Cigarette Vapor Has Only Trace Amounts of Metals

The headlines misrepresent or over-dramatize the facts…

Who among you uses nearly four gallons of liquid?

Via Brad Rodu:

Beyond the Headlines, E-Cigarette Vapor Has Only Trace Amounts of Metals

Without rambling, I, as a consumer, WANT to know the truth. Good or bad….

Dr. Farsalinos remains at the top of my list over the years as the “go to”… he won’t lie or sugarcoat, and is diligent in his explanations.

I don’t think the man has had a rest in the past 10 years. If you meet him, please shake his hand for me.

Dr. Farsalinos Discredits “Toxic Metal” Study For Being Misleading


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Testimony Before the Indiana Public Health Committee

Because testimony.

Testimony Before the Indiana Public Health Committee


Is it possible?

My favorite subject.

Yes.

Is it possible that nicotine is not the cause of any withdrawal symptoms…?


Air monitoring at large public electronic cigarette events.

I’ve covered this before…at length with Meg about pounding sand here.

See here George – what we’re going to do is get volunteers to act like the public and get them to go in to this convention with backpacks with a hidden an air sampling pump.

We’ll do it discreetly and try to be all sciency. Boy, I sure hope we can get away with it…. then, we’ll use those backpacks to stash all that grant money!

Air monitoring at large public electronic cigarette events.


#Louder.

There are FEW professionals who are bold enough to stand UP and make some noise.

This exchange below showing Simon Chapman being challenged about being challenged is louder. I want to personally thank you who are standing UP and fighting like Dr. Wodak, Dr. Danko and others. You know who you are.

If you’re interested, here’s the full thread.


Landmark U.S. Study

Imagine?

The American Cancer Society has changed their wording on their position… I’m still skeptical, however….

Landmark U.S. Study Confirms Vaping Devices Are Substantially Less Harmful Than Smoking Cigarettes

Related link:

E-Cigarettes Are Saving Lives



And Still We Stand Back Meekly

WELL worth the read…

“A massive Ponzi scheme that can be brought crashing down by we, the people, simply waking up.”

And Still We Stand Back Meekly


Science Lesson: Lamppost Epidemiology And The Lack Of Self-Correction

Carl sheds some light on the hard work of searching where the best answers can be found – or not…

Science Lesson: Lamppost Epidemiology And The Lack Of Self-Correction


I’ll call this one “The Emperor wears no bias”.


These are some of the people…..

I purposely haven’t found myself in or around a vaping convention of any kind… I still have never been to one. That subject is for another time.

I did, however, take a trip up to Columbus, Ohio last weekend. On purpose.

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A long overdue meet with a few stellar people at the Vapor Station (Hilliard, Ohio) with (among others) James Jarvis (& his wife) of the Ohio Vapor Trade Association, FIG Ramsey who I’ve adored since forever… and the brain behind Gonzo GivesMike Peterson of 2 Stone Vaping, and finally, a man I’ve admired and stalked followed since December of 2014, and met briefly after the premiere of A Billion Lives, David Goerlitz.

If these are the people I’m surrounded by and engaging with at a vaping convention, I’ll be at every single one I can get to. These are some of the people who are making some noise. These are some of the people who are paying attention. These are some of the people around the country who are #LoudER. These are some of the people who are passionate, caring and attentive. These are some of the people making the world a better place. These are just some of the people who DO something.

Surrounding myself with those smarter than I – is my goal, and that was achieved.

Here’s me just moments (or an hour or so) after I touched a Fig.

FIG


Smoke Free Radio.

Yes, it’s two hours. Maybe Dimitris, Fig and James are wearing pants… you’ll need to find out!


 Have you met my OUR friends at vapers.org.uk? 

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You can find me here trying to be cordial on Facebook

You can find me here being a bit more evil on Twitter

You can also find me on LinkedIn


Tobacco Harm Reduction For Life

GONZO GIVES




Medical, Research, Science Professionals:

Research:


Politics:

E-Cigarette Politics 

A Billion Lives

A Billion Lives


think

Your comments are NEVER filtered, always encouraged and welcome on this blog. There is definitely more to come.

Keep ON #Vaping On.

Kevin

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